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Post#201 » by Jasen777 » Wed May 15, 2019 2:34 am

Neil Magny announces failed USADA test that led to UFC Rochester withdrawal

The 31-year-old welterweight broke the news on Instagram, stating that he failed an out-of-competition drug test for the banned substance “Di-Hydroxy-LGD-4033.”

LGD-4033 is listed as an anabolic agent according to the World Anti-Doping Agency’s prohibited list, which has been adopted by the USADA. It is prohibited year-round.
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Post#202 » by cowboyronnie » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:49 pm

TJ sitdown with Chael (there's a YouTube vid on Chael's page). What do you guys think? He didn't once acknowledge his opponent the unfairness to HC, he said he only did it 6 weeks in advance after real difficulty with the weight cut, he said "he listened to the wrong people", he said that this Sam Calvito (sp?) guy had no idea.

It's got to be nonsense that his strength guy wouldn't notice. All of a sudden his blood markers would be flying, after TJ claiming his body was otherwise shutting down.

Soemone needs to press him on who these "wrong people" were if they were not Master Duane or Sam. Neither advised him? Cos you can't just get ahold of this Procrit without a hooked-up source - either a doctor being willing to give up their entire license or someone else being able to funnel it from a similar source. Hopefully actual authorities have investigated this (they did Chael).
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Post#203 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:06 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:TJ sitdown with Chael (there's a YouTube vid on Chael's page). What do you guys think? He didn't once acknowledge his opponent the unfairness to HC, he said he only did it 6 weeks in advance after real difficulty with the weight cut, he said "he listened to the wrong people", he said that this Sam Calvito (sp?) guy had no idea.

It's got to be nonsense that his strength guy wouldn't notice. All of a sudden his blood markers would be flying, after TJ claiming his body was otherwise shutting down.

Soemone needs to press him on who these "wrong people" were if they were not Master Duane or Sam. Neither advised him? Cos you can't just get ahold of this Procrit without a hooked-up source - either a doctor being willing to give up their entire license or someone else being able to funnel it from a similar source. Hopefully actual authorities have investigated this (they did Chael).


Saw the thumbnail on the video but decided not to watch it. Chael talking about PEDs is always hard to listen to, then add in TJ being the snake that he is. I just didnt think anything worthwhile (or real) would come that sit-down.

I don't buy for one second that was the first time TJ took PEDs. Not a fan of Cody, but he called him out on that very same drug awhile back. I highly doubt that was just a good guess by Cody and I doubt TJ decided to take that drug after Cody gave him the idea of that drug. TJ is one of the biggest D bags in the sport, I don't trust a single word that dude says.
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Post#204 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:26 am

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cowboyronnie wrote:TJ sitdown with Chael (there's a YouTube vid on Chael's page). What do you guys think? He didn't once acknowledge his opponent the unfairness to HC, he said he only did it 6 weeks in advance after real difficulty with the weight cut, he said "he listened to the wrong people", he said that this Sam Calvito (sp?) guy had no idea.

It's got to be nonsense that his strength guy wouldn't notice. All of a sudden his blood markers would be flying, after TJ claiming his body was otherwise shutting down.

Soemone needs to press him on who these "wrong people" were if they were not Master Duane or Sam. Neither advised him? Cos you can't just get ahold of this Procrit without a hooked-up source - either a doctor being willing to give up their entire license or someone else being able to funnel it from a similar source. Hopefully actual authorities have investigated this (they did Chael).


Saw the thumbnail on the video but decided not to watch it. Chael talking about PEDs is always hard to listen to, then add in TJ being the snake that he is. I just didnt think anything worthwhile (or real) would come that sit-down.

I don't buy for one second that was the first time TJ took PEDs. Not a fan of Cody, but he called him out on that very same drug awhile back. I highly doubt that was just a good guess by Cody and I doubt TJ decided to take that drug after Cody gave him the idea of that drug. TJ is one of the biggest D bags in the sport, I don't trust a single word that dude says.

Yeah I'm sorry but I don't buy this I've never taken a PED prior to this narrative. TJ's excuse is that this was a great opportunity to become champ champ that he didn't want to lose but he was attempting it by going down in weight and so he decided that he'd need to take EPO to make weight. And he was saying his body was "failing" and by that he meant he couldn't get up for training and wasn't feeling it. Maybe it was shutting down and that probably means he should try and get the fight pushed back or something. But rather than asking for a reschedule (which I'm sure isn't impossible) he'd take it upon himself to risk 2+yrs of his prime to take a PED? The way he went about going to a PED seemingly so easily just makes me think it's not the first time he's used before.
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Post#205 » by Jasen777 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:22 am

It appears that Sean O'Malley is pulsing and is off the UFC 239 card. He's not Jones, so they aren't moving the event to Cali...
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Post#206 » by REDDzone » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:45 pm

That little twerp being a juicer proves more than ever that the eye test is useless.
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Post#207 » by cowboyronnie » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:41 pm

REDDzone wrote:That little twerp being a juicer proves more than ever that the eye test is useless.


How much you know about classic logic?
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Post#208 » by REDDzone » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:57 pm

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REDDzone wrote:That little twerp being a juicer proves more than ever that the eye test is useless.


How much you know about classic logic?


Not a lot. My comment was clearly not meant to be taken super seriously though. I mostly just wanted to call O'Malley a twerp tbh.
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Post#209 » by REDDzone » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:01 pm

The eye test is like beating the stock market or winning in a casino. Everyone thinks they can do it, and the one in four or five they get right is brought up at every opportunity, while the others...

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Post#210 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:24 pm

So did Sean pop for something new, or is it just the same "pulsing" thing as Jon had?
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Post#211 » by Jasen777 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:57 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:So did Sean pop for something new, or is it just the same "pulsing" thing as Jon had?


It's for "trace amounts" of what got him suspended last year, which was ostarine, allegedly in a contaminated supplement.
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Post#212 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:28 pm

It's kinda funny to me how every time these trace amounts or pulsing allegations gets brought up, Rogan almost always brings up tainted supps because of his "experience with O-N-N-I-T". Gives fighters the benefit of the doubt almost all the time
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Post#213 » by Jasen777 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:34 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:It's kinda funny to me how every time these trace amounts or pulsing allegations gets brought up, Rogan almost always brings up tainted supps because of his "experience with O-N-N-I-T". Gives fighters the benefit of the doubt almost all the time


Well tainted supplements are a big thing. And putting steroids in muscle builders is one of the most common.
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Post#214 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:15 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:It's kinda funny to me how every time these trace amounts or pulsing allegations gets brought up, Rogan almost always brings up tainted supps because of his "experience with O-N-N-I-T". Gives fighters the benefit of the doubt almost all the time


Well tainted supplements are a big thing. And putting steroids in muscle builders is one of the most common.

I didn't say it wasn't a big thing. But it's just funny that he gives them the benefit of the doubt almost every time. Yet it seems cheaters have been found more often than proven tainted supps.
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Post#215 » by REDDzone » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:25 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:It's kinda funny to me how every time these trace amounts or pulsing allegations gets brought up, Rogan almost always brings up tainted supps because of his "experience with O-N-N-I-T". Gives fighters the benefit of the doubt almost all the time


He only gives the benefit of the doubt to active UFC fighters, generally. He accuses fighters from other orgs and fighters of yesteryear of roiding all the time, with or without evidence.
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Post#216 » by cowboyronnie » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:07 pm

REDDzone wrote:The eye test is like beating the stock market or winning in a casino. Everyone thinks they can do it, and the one in four or five they get right is brought up at every opportunity, while the others...

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No one is using the eye test solo. I certainly don't. I wouldn't make conclusions about Costa, for example. Or about Barboza. Or a number of similarly shredded fighters.

It's the guys who have a combination of, like, 1) Florida (**** medicine system (opiates too), men's clinics famous for TRT), 2) Gyms like ATT/Blackzillians or Chute Boxe, 3) Crazy physiques, 4) Changes in physique upon USADA.

The eye test on Thiago Alves is not bloodwork. But it's pretty damn good. Especially given that he now looks like a sagging balloon. If you don't think Alves was on gear, you have an insane threshold of evidence. It's defensible. Sure you can demand a bust. But I think you're being autistic.
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Post#217 » by REDDzone » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Okay and I personally think your threshold for evidence is too low in some cases. You have pointed out how guys look like they are melting like a candle on the scale and I compare to pre-USADA pictures and have no clue what you're talking about half the time. Hell, I'm pretty sure in the Jones/Gus thread I posted how great Jones looked within a day or so of you are posting how he had such a sloppy physique. The eye test is not a reliable indicator IMO.

I realized this after falsely (probably) accusing guys of steroids btw. I know enough to know now, in a world where Yoel is clean and O'Malley a juicer, that I don't know sh*t.
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Post#218 » by cowboyronnie » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:31 pm

REDDzone wrote:Okay and I personally think your threshold for evidence is too low in some cases. You have pointed out how guys look like they are melting like a candle on the scale and I compare to pre-USADA pictures and have no clue what you're talking about half the time. Hell, I'm pretty sure in the Jones/Gus thread I posted how great Jones looked within a day or so of you are posting how he had such a sloppy physique. The eye test is not a reliable indicator IMO.

I realized this after falsely (probably) accusing guys of steroids btw. I know enough to know now, in a world where Yoel is clean and O'Malley a juicer, that I don't know sh*t.


Actually that Jones - Gus is the only example of that. But keep playing the stock market (to use your analogy). I think I watched that weigh-in on my phone during transit and made a throwaway comment.

Also why a skinny guy can also be a user isn't a failure of the eye test but of your understanding androgens. There's nothing the least bit shocking.

More than anything, you don't understand the logic. No one is saying, "if a steroid user, physique". That's not the eye test. So you saying, a-ha, "no physique but steroid user" means nothing.

Tell me, straight up, that you have no suspicions about Alves. If you have, explain how. They certainly shouldn't be from stimulations striking your retina.
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Post#219 » by REDDzone » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:39 pm

The point I was trying to make is how flippantly you post this stuff. Watching the weigh-ins on a small screen during commutes "sloppy physique". That was so off base that you literally got accused of trolling.

The Jacare one is another we have always went back and forth on. I'm pretty sure that's the one you said looked like a melting candle and you guaranteed he would lose about an hour before he won by KTFO Weidman.

I'm not arguing that I don't have suspicions of anyone, so your Alves point is moot. I'm just saying that I don't outright accuse people based on my own unreliable eye test anymore. You have literally called people "cheater" before based on nothing but how they look standing on a scale, without considering maybe your phone screen was too small or your commute too bumpy or a possible injury in training camp or whatever other of a million situations could have occurred besides steroid use.
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Post#220 » by REDDzone » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:42 pm

You gotta admit the Jones thing is funny though.

"Oh that little guy (Jones sloppy physique comment), I wouldn't worry about that little guy".

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