Fedor vs Maldonado fight - June 17th

cowboyronnie · Post #1 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:08 am

Jeez. That was a rough one. No way did Fedor need that kind of neurological damage.

Post #2 » by **Hilltop** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:15 am

That has to be the record for most significant strikes in HW history. That was crazier than Hunt vs. Silva.

Props to both guys for showing superhuman toughness.

RalphWiggum · Post #3 » by **RalphWiggum** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:23 am

I'm the biggest Fedor fan going but it's time for him to walk away from fighting. 10 years ago he mauls Maldonado but instead he barely escaped with a victory in a fight that he took an insane amount of punishment in.

Cammo101 · Post #4 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:48 am

RalphWiggum wrote:I'm the biggest Fedor fan going but it's time for him to walk away from fighting. 10 years ago he mauls Maldonado but instead he barely escaped with a victory in a fight that he took an insane amount of punishment in.

A victory Maldonado gave him by clearly letting up for no apparent reason. And the judges gifted him by not understanding what a 10-8 and 10-7 round means.

Fedor definitely needs to hang it up before he takes another one of those. Like BJ, it's not fun anymore.

REDDzone · Post #5 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:27 pm

^^ is arguing for a Dan Henderson UFC title shot in another thread.

Cammo101 · Post #6 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:23 pm

REDDzone wrote:^^ is arguing for a Dan Henderson UFC title shot in another thread.

The worst fighter Dan Henderson has lost to in the UFC is Gegard Mousasi. Meanwhile Fedor is getting his head bounced off the mat by UFC cast off and average fighter Fabio Maldonado. Hendo may not be competitive against the sports elite, Fedor may not be competitive against Bellator's HW division. It's a subtle difference.

And for the record, I've argued for Hendo to hang it up a few times as well. But, he's never looked half as bad as Fedor did in some regional show. I know when I think of the all time greats, I want to think of them getting smashed on UFC Fight Pass by top 75 Light Heavyweights.

REDDzone · Post #7 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:21 pm

Dude Fedor got smashed for a round, otherwise he has won 5 fights in a row. I agree he a shell of his former self who has not been fighting top competition, but this is not a BJ Penn situation where he has gotten beaten down repeatedly fight after fight for the last 6+ years.

Hendo has been dropped in 6 of his last 7 fights off the top of my head, and was KOed in 3 of those fights. Hendo has probably taken more damage at the hands of Vitor Belfort /Shogun Rua alone than Fedor has taken period. lol.

REDDzone · Post #8 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:23 pm

Again this is not me arguing that Fedor is still good, he's clearly lost a step or ten. I'm just saying he's not one of these guys who I don't think should be sanctioned to fight anymore, and the ufc has plenty of those, one of which you argue should be fighting for titles. :lol:

I'd be down for BJ/Fedor/Nogs/Hendo and all those dudes to hang 'em up.

Cammo101 · Post #9 » by **Cammo101** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:46 pm

REDDzone wrote:Again this is not me arguing that Fedor is still good, he's clearly lost a step or ten. I'm just saying he's not one of these guys who I don't think should be sanctioned to fight anymore, and the ufc has plenty of those, one of which you argue should be fighting for titles.

I'd be down for BJ/Fedor/Nogs/Hendo and all those dudes to hang 'em up.

I'm arguing for the UFC milking whats left of Hendo before he walks away. Put him in a fight with Bisping and it's an interesting fight. Put Fedor in with any top 10 HW in the UFC and he get's murdered.

Fedor didn't just lose one round then turn in some epic comeback. He got knocked unconscious like 3 times by a guy Bellator doesn't want...who is also a natural LHW. Who then very suspiciously decided to stop fighting.

I'm all for all the guys you mentioned hanging it up. Including Hendo. But, these are not even close to the same situations. Hendo has been losing to the elite of the elite. Fedor is fighting cans, and lately making them look good. If Hendo wants to retire, fine. If not, he should be fighting Bisping for the belt IMO.

REDDzone · Post #10 » by **REDDzone** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:55 am

I know its not the same situation, that's my entire argument. Hendo is taking much more damage than Fedor. My argument is that dudes who take damage and get dropped/KOed fight after fight should retire even before guys who have simply declined in skill level. Fedor is the latter, while with the current ufc matchmaking, Hendo is the former.

I was just waiting for you to make some implication that the Fedor fight was fixed btw. Fabio is known to not have a good gas tank, and if he was supposed to lose to Fedor, its weird that he "KOed him three times" in the fight, right?

cowboyronnie · Post #11 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:13 am

Beyond consuming Fedor's heart and seducing his wife, I am not sure what else Maldonada could have done to get a 10-8. A 10-9 is ridonk.

Cammo101 · Post #12 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:08 am

REDDzone wrote:I was just waiting for you to make some implication that the Fedor fight was fixed btw. Fabio is known to not have a good gas tank, and if he was supposed to lose to Fedor, its weird that he "KOed him three times" in the fight, right?

It wouldn't shock me. Fedor is the head of the commission that assigned the judges (who don't know what 10-8 means) and the referee (who was willing to watch Fedor die in the cage). It doesn't even matter to me really, because if Fabio Maldonado beats you into the ground like that, it's freakshow fights in Japan or retirement time IMO.

Cammo101 · Post #13 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:09 am

cowboyronnie wrote:Beyond consuming Fedor's heart and seducing his wife, I am not sure what else Maldonada could have done to get a 10-8. A 10-9 is ridonk.

The combination of refereeing and judges was probably the worst I've ever seen.

Knickfan1982 · Post #14 » by **Knickfan1982** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:59 pm

Its hard for me to say since I haven't see the fight but I am not all that surprised. Fedor was always a grappler with good striking but now he's more of a striker who doesn't grapple unless he has to. His striking worked out so well for him because he was generally much quicker and more explosive than his lumbering heavyweight opponents. Maldanado was a striker by trade and naturally smaller. That quickness advantage Fedor normally had wouldn't have been a factor here. Maldanado should have better technique with his punches as well.

Edit: It also goes to show how small a heavyweight Fedor is. Sure, Fabio looked fat but so did Fedor and he didn't look that much bigger. Just softer around the middle.

Knickfan1982 · Post #15 » by **Knickfan1982** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:24 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvCTNPPdpXk[/youtube]

Just saw the fight with some fairly decent English commentary by a fight fan online. Its still hard for me to judge. Did the fight pass recording feature such ****y camera work. Jeez, there were times you couldn't even see Fedor's head when he was on the ground. At what point do the guys picking the camera angles for the stream say switch to another shot. So it was really hard to see a lot of the damage Maldanado was doing on the ground. But from how hurt Fedor looked when he got back to his feet after all the punches he must have taken I wouldn't hold it against the ref if he stopped it or if a judge gave Maldanado a 10-8 round.

But barring a 10-8 round I don't see how in the heck Fabio thought he won the fight. Maldinado was gassed and did nothing in the second round so Fedor dominated it. He had his moments in the third but he didn't do enough to win that round either. So yea...a draw if you gave Fabio a 10-8 first but he lost if you're a Russian judge who doesn't believe in 10-8 rounds.

I wouldn't be inclined to favor Fedor against any of UFC's top 10 heavyweights. But how well he could compete against 11 and down would depend upon how he looks in his next fight. He should fight an actual legitimate heavyweight MMA fighter next. There are plenty of UFC castoffs stumbling around out there willing to serve as Fedor's UFC measuring stick.

cowboyronnie · Post #16 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:36 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:But barring a 10-8 round I don't see how in the heck Fabio thought he won the fight. Maldinado was gassed and did nothing in the second round so Fedor dominated it. He had his moments in the third but he didn't do enough to win that round either. So yea...a draw if you gave Fabio a 10-8 first but he lost if you're a Russian judge who doesn't believe in 10-8 rounds.

I wouldn't be inclined to favor Fedor against any of UFC's top 10 heavyweights. But how well he could compete against 11 and down would depend upon how he looks in his next fight. He should fight an actual legitimate heavyweight MMA fighter next. There are plenty of UFC castoffs stumbling around out there willing to serve as Fedor's UFC measuring stick.

There was a 10-8 round, if not 10-7.

Cammo101 · Post #17 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:01 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:
Knickfan1982 wrote:But barring a 10-8 round I don't see how in the heck Fabio thought he won the fight. Maldinado was gassed and did nothing in the second round so Fedor dominated it. He had his moments in the third but he didn't do enough to win that round either. So yea...a draw if you gave Fabio a 10-8 first but he lost if you're a Russian judge who doesn't believe in 10-8 rounds.

I wouldn't be inclined to favor Fedor against any of UFC's top 10 heavyweights. But how well he could compete against 11 and down would depend upon how he looks in his next fight. He should fight an actual legitimate heavyweight MMA fighter next. There are plenty of UFC castoffs stumbling around out there willing to serve as Fedor's UFC measuring stick.

There was a 10-8 round, if not 10-7.

It is certainly much closer to a 10-7 round than it is a 10-9 one.

Knickfan1982 · Post #18 » by **Knickfan1982** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:51 pm

I agree on both counts.

REDDzone · Post #19 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:10 am

Seems like it should have been a draw at the very least. No way fedor won.

Jasen777 · Post #20 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:27 pm

Fedor Emelianenko's victory over Fabio Maldonado overturned by WMMAA

On Friday, the World MMA Association announced Maldonaldo's bout result in Eurasia Fight Nights (EFN) 50, majority decision loss from June 17, would be overturned to a draw on two counts. The organization said Maldonado's concern about conflicts of interest with Emelianenko as well as scoring inadequacies was enough to overturn the result.

"The fact that the fighter, Fedor Emelianenko, being the President of the Russian MMA Union and the Head of Judge, Radmir Gabdullin, have a work relationship could potentially affected the judgmental decisions. We are not saying that this relationship has led to a different outcome of the result, but it is an unfortunate choice," said Secretary General of WMMAA, Alexander Engelhardt.