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Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 3:43 pm
by Headliner
Of course opinions on each fighters top 5 could vary, but I just went by what I thought. If you took a glance at these fighters collection of heads, how would you rank them? Who's is the most impressive, and who's is the least. All of the names are for fighters considered as the greatest fighter of their weight class, and are the names thrown about in GOAT conversations.

GSP:
1. Matt Hughes X 2
2. Condit
3. Nick Diaz
4. Hendricks
5. Koscheck X 2


Silva:
1. Belfort
2. Dan Henderson
3. Maia
4. Griffin
5. Sonnen X2


Jones:
1. Daniel Cormier
2. Gustaffson
3. Teixeira
4. Machida
5. Evans


Cormier:
1. Rumble X 2
2. Barnett
3. Gustaffson
4. Frank Mir
5. Roy Nelson



Mouse:
1. Henry Cejudo
2. Dodson X 2
3. Benavidez X 2
4. Creepy
5. Horiguchi



Fedor:
1. Big Nog X 2
2. Cro Cop
3.Hunt
4. T. Silvia
5. Arlosvki

Aldo:

1. Frankie Edgar X 2
2. Uriah Fabar
3. Kenny Florian
4. Chad MendesX2
5. Mike Brown

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:03 pm
by REDDzone
I'll think about your question, but Mouse beat Benavidez twice as well.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:06 pm
by REDDzone
The real answer to this question is....

Jake Shields:

1) Dan Henderson
2) Tyron Woodley
3) Demian Maia
4) Robbie Lawler
5) Carlos Condit

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:43 pm
by Jasen777
REDDzone wrote:I'll think about your question, but Mouse beat Benavidez twice as well.


And Aldo beat Mendes twice.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:50 pm
by Jasen777
It's tough to say, though I think Mighty Mouse doesn't get enough enough credit because it being a new division (no past champions for him to beat) - Benavidez, Dodson, and Cejudo are top level guys.

And I give Fedor more credit for doing it at heavyweight, even throwing out the cans, he beat like 10 legit heavies in a row (with a no contest in there).

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:15 pm
by Headliner
It is a really hard question.

To me, Cormier is the best fighter in the defeated list. So that gives Bones a big bonus for his top 5.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:16 pm
by Headliner
Shields list is really impressive actually.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:18 pm
by REDDzone
Headliner wrote:Shields list is really impressive actually.


His honorable mention list is cray too: Daley, Kampmann, Mayhem, Okami, Akiyama, Pyle

Also he beat the grappling GOAT and bellator's highest paid fighter this weekend as well: DILLON DANIS!

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:28 pm
by Jasen777
Headliner wrote:It is a really hard question.

To me, Cormier is the best fighter in the defeated list. So that gives Bones a big bonus for his top 5.


Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but after Cormier (Hughes is comparable IMO) OTOH, He beat Gus (who's hasn't beaten a top guy but is known for his good losses) and Teixeira, before that he fought 4 middleweights.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:51 pm
by REDDzone
I think Rampage should arguably be on Bones list.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 9:08 pm
by CPT
Why do I feel so underwhelmed by all of these lists?

If we're talking about the perception of guys as the fights happened, I think the lists would look different. If it's just all time rankings, maybe some of the guys took too much of a hit because they lost to the greats that they no longer seem impressive.

Rampage over Gus, in either case though. Better all-time, and Gus was seen as a very weak challenger.

Fitch and Alves were two of the biggest feathers in GSP's cap, but they both went downhill fast.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 9:17 pm
by Jasen777
CPT wrote:Fitch and Alves were two of the biggest feathers in GSP's cap, but they both went downhill fast.


Also GSP beat Jake Shields, who as Redd established, is the winner of this game.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 10:14 pm
by Headliner
If I look at it the other way and say who's is the least impressive, I think I might even lean Silva. TRT Hendo and Belfort were no joke, but they also have been defeated a lot. What a hard game though lol

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:59 pm
by Susan
Werdum:
1. Fedor
2. Cain
3. Overeem
4. Big Nog
5. TRT Bigfoot

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 2:52 am
by GetBuLLish
Great thread.

I'd go with Jones after swapping out one of his top 5 for TRT Vitor (to this day one of the scariest fighters I've ever seen).

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:41 am
by CPT
Michael Bisping:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Luke Rockhold
4. Uhhh...****...Chris Leben?

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:48 am
by Jasen777
CPT wrote:Michael Bisping:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Luke Rockhold
4. Uhhh...****...Chris Leben?


Also Thales Leites and ... Brian Stann?

Of course Silva was over the hill and Henderson was a senior citizen when they fought.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:19 am
by NO-KG-AI
I'm a Bones fan, but I think style sort of does matter. Every champion or former champion he faced was supposed to bring things to the table he never saw, or wasn't comfortable, and he beat them up, tossed them around, beat them up with their own strength, and then broke them mentally and physically.

Gusstafson basically made a name from being the only guy this didn't happen to.

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 11:29 am
by Nemesis21
Stipe Miocic:
1) Werdum
2) Overreem
3) JDS
4) Roy Nelson
5) Arlovski

Re: Who has the better top 5 achievement between these fighters:

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 3:13 pm
by Headliner
He needs Cain though imo, but that's a strong list.