UFC 244: Masvidal vs Diaz

[duppyy]

No thread on this yet?

Johnny Walker on prelim is dishespect, stacked card though.

[Dupp]

Only new to getting into the ufc. Very uneducated about the sport but enjoying it.

Anyway just from watching some fights of these guys I have the take away that Diaz should win easily. Looking at the betting here in Australia masvidal is favourite.

So what’s his advantage? Superior striker? Do people think he’s clear favourite?
Same website also had whittaker as favourite over israel which was a pretty big reach. But like I said I know nothing.


Also what is the best fight on the card besides this?!insee people saying it’s stacked but I really only know them and gastelum

[duppyy]

Only new to getting into the ufc. Very uneducated about the sport but enjoying it.

Anyway just from watching some fights of these guys I have the take away that Diaz should win easily. Looking at the betting here in Australia masvidal is favourite.

So what’s his advantage? Superior striker? Do people think he’s clear favourite?
Same website also had whittaker as favourite over israel which was a pretty big reach. But like I said I know nothing.


Also what is the best fight on the card besides this?!insee people saying it’s stacked but I really only know them and gastelum

That's a hard question to answer TBH.

My biased opinion is that Johnny Walker vs Corey Anderson will be the 2nd best fight, Walker is my favourite fighter at the moment.

However All the fights on the main card (except for the Lee fight) should all be entertaining and exciting to watch.

[REDDzone]

Lee/Gillespie is awesome, you crazy?

Hope Gillespie wins just because it'd make things more interesting.

[duppyy]

Lee/Gillespie is awesome, you crazy?

Hope Gillespie wins just because it'd make things more interesting.

Lee just annoys me with his interviews, but I guess It wasn't fair for me to say it will not be a good fight.

[Dupp]

So who’s gonna win the main event?

[REDDzone]

So who’s gonna win the main event?

Are you mostly interested in the betting side of things? Because MMA is about as dynamic and unpredictable as it gets.

My gut says Masvidal but the odds that I've seen are really close and there's a reason for that - either could easily win.

[Dupp]

So who’s gonna win the main event?

Are you mostly interested in the betting side of things? Because MMA is about as dynamic and unpredictable as it gets.

My gut says Masvidal but the odds that I've seen are really close and there's a reason for that - either could easily win.

Nah I’m gonna bet on Diaz regardless I’m just curious what people think about the fight.

[REDDzone]

Diaz is an underdog last I saw, so if I had to bet I would go Diaz too probably.

[duppyy]

If the fight stays standing its a tossup on who will win. Masvidal has knockout power and Diaz is more reliant on volume of punches and adding up damage.

If the fight goes to the ground then Diaz definitely has the advantage there.

[NZB2323]

Only new to getting into the ufc. Very uneducated about the sport but enjoying it.

Anyway just from watching some fights of these guys I have the take away that Diaz should win easily. Looking at the betting here in Australia masvidal is favourite.

So what’s his advantage? Superior striker? Do people think he’s clear favourite?
Same website also had whittaker as favourite over israel which was a pretty big reach. But like I said I know nothing.


Also what is the best fight on the card besides this?!insee people saying it’s stacked but I really only know them and gastelum

Masvidal has more knockout power, Diaz is only 4-3 as a welterweight, and Diaz leaves himself open to shots, to the head, body, and legs. With that being said Diaz’s cardio, BJJ, and volume striking are his advantages.

My general advice for betting on the UFC is to bet on the underdog, because they win a lot in this sport.

[Dupp]

Only new to getting into the ufc. Very uneducated about the sport but enjoying it.

Anyway just from watching some fights of these guys I have the take away that Diaz should win easily. Looking at the betting here in Australia masvidal is favourite.

So what’s his advantage? Superior striker? Do people think he’s clear favourite?
Same website also had whittaker as favourite over israel which was a pretty big reach. But like I said I know nothing.


Also what is the best fight on the card besides this?!insee people saying it’s stacked but I really only know them and gastelum

Masvidal has more knockout power, Diaz is only 4-3 as a welterweight, and Diaz leaves himself open to shots, to the head, body, and legs. With that being said Diaz’s cardio, BJJ, and volume striking are his advantages.

My general advice for betting on the UFC is to bet on the underdog, because they win a lot in this sport.

How does Masvidals power compare to someone like connors? Diaz took lots of heavy shots in those fights and it didn’t worry him much.

Would be cool if Diaz won by submission because masvidal said he’d never tap and more or less called Connor a bitch for doing so three times

[cowboyronnie]

I don't think Masvidal has power so much as that he has landed some clean strikes recently. That's a key difference. Cos no one lands clean on Nate. He stands tall, moves his shoulders, and rolls everything off. Does Masvidal have power to effect someone who has managed to deflect his strikes? I don't think so. Not in the least. He's far from a Hendo.

[cowboyronnie]

Only new to getting into the ufc. Very uneducated about the sport but enjoying it.

Anyway just from watching some fights of these guys I have the take away that Diaz should win easily. Looking at the betting here in Australia masvidal is favourite.

So what’s his advantage? Superior striker? Do people think he’s clear favourite?
Same website also had whittaker as favourite over israel which was a pretty big reach. But like I said I know nothing.


Also what is the best fight on the card besides this?!insee people saying it’s stacked but I really only know them and gastelum

Masvidal has more knockout power, Diaz is only 4-3 as a welterweight, and Diaz leaves himself open to shots, to the head, body, and legs. With that being said Diaz’s cardio, BJJ, and volume striking are his advantages.

My general advice for betting on the UFC is to bet on the underdog, because they win a lot in this sport.

How does Masvidals power compare to someone like connors? Diaz took lots of heavy shots in those fights and it didn’t worry him much.

Would be cool if Diaz won by submission because masvidal said he’d never tap and more or less called Connor a bitch for doing so three times

Here's hoping for a knee bar.

[cowboyronnie]

Both of these guys are so sloppy and embarrassing. I'm not doubting their efficacy but, damn, do they lack beauty. Their physiques, their movement, their technique. Ugh. And Nate look like **** against Pettis, Pettis just has the habit of getting lazy, backing himself into the fence, and covering up. The last thing you can do against Nate.

I'm excited for the fight. But largely cos of the psychodrama. What's Jorge's reaction going to be to pressure? You HAVE to move. But is he gonna have some macho bull interfere with that approach? He sometimes likes to counter in the pocket. Maybe, for a short while. But if he has to back out of that pocket, he's done...once you get on your heels, Nate won't let you plant your feet again, you will be fleeing and flailing.

[Joker]

My feeling is that the walker-anderson fight will go the same way as the brunson-adesanya fight. What's supposed to be a good test ends up being a lop-sided affair favouring the much more talented and dynamic/athletic striker who wards off the grappling.

[Joker]

The Diaz-Masvidal one is tricky. You can see Nate using his cardio and volume striking and chin to win a 5-round decision, or you can see Masvidal using his explosiveness and dynamic striking to get a 1st or 2nd round KO/TKO. Masvidal certainly has the power to KO Diaz. If you can starch a giant welterweight in Till, knocking out Diaz is certainly plausible.

In terms of the ground game, Masvidal survived the ground with Maia without getting submitted so I wouldn't expect Nate to necessarily submit Jorge should it go to the ground. Jorge's a striker ultimately but his wrestling and ground game isn't a joke.

One of the knocks on Nate is that he has predictable patterns, and that he hasn't evolved very much stylistically. I expect Jorge's team to gameplan around those patterns more effectively than vice-versa.

My prediction is that Jorge's power and unpredictability will trump Nate's volume and endurance. But I had Pettis beating Nate so I've underestimated Nate before.

[Joker]

I'm also heavily favouriting Gastelum over Till. Gastelum is coming off that war with Israel where Gastelum looked pretty damn good against a lanky striker, and now he gets to fight Till whose striking and defense aren't nearly at the same level as Israel's (and Till in't nearly as long as Israel either). And Till's ground game is questionable, so Till won't make it a ground game either.

Also, Gastelum said he was compromised before the Israel fight and at about 60-70% due to staph, I believe. So if he's healthy now against Till, Till may be in over his head. I'm just not sold on Till quite yet, and Gastelum is a proven commodity at middleweight.

[Dupp]

Has anyone fought israel as well as gastelum did? Dude put in a good fight.

[Joker]

Has anyone fought israel as well as gastelum did? Dude put in a good fight.

Gastelum has definitely been Israel's hardest fight (in MMA) and easily the most damage he's taken. Israel hasn't really been damaged or wobbled at all in any other MMA fight.