Dupp wrote:Man Bones is more sensitive than MJ and Shaq. Dudes tweeting up a storm on why he’s the goat and p4p.
people need to start showing them some respect
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Dupp wrote:Man Bones is more sensitive than MJ and Shaq. Dudes tweeting up a storm on why he’s the goat and p4p.
Dupp wrote:Apparently two judges have Justin the first round. That’s crazy to me
Headliner wrote:Jones’ list is incredible
It’s a slap in the face to say he’s not the pound for pound best fighter until he actually loses
Stephen Jackson wrote:Make sure u want these problems. Goggle me slime. Im in da streets.
REDDzone wrote:Headliner wrote:Jones’ list is incredible
It’s a slap in the face to say he’s not the pound for pound best fighter until he actually loses
Just depends how the PEDs factor in for you.
clyde21 wrote:gigantes wrote:Dupp wrote:Khabib is a star. He’s insanely popular. His popularity is only rivalled and beaten by Connor.
I don't see him being anywhere close to Conor in that way, which is why I mentioned metrics earlier.
If someone wants to bring metrics in terms of PPV buys, total MMA analyst mentions of him being a "star," and some kind of fan component (maybe total followers?), that could certainly help.
EDIT: Personally I'd say Khabib's a star, and personally I'd consider him an MMA great. I just don't see that from the body of analysts and fans. I should have been clearer with which POV I was speaking from.
Khabib has 22 million followers on IG, compare that to 2.8m for GSP and 5.4m for Jones, it's not even close...only one that tops Khabib in fandom right now is Conor.
even Stylebender who's hella popular right now only has 3.8.
Khabib and Conor are the two biggest superstars the UFC has ever produced and it's not even close imo
High 5 wrote:Dupp wrote:So what happened to Justin’s great take down defense? A lot of talk about his wrestling background but it’s a bit different wrestling kids compared to wrestling Khabib. That transition into submission was far too easy. He almost got something going at the end of the first too.
Khabib is just a different animal + I don’t think Justin’s wrestling has ever really been tested in the UFC. That was the easiest mount I have ever seen. Especially that early in a fight.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...
GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
Headliner wrote:REDDzone wrote:Headliner wrote:Jones’ list is incredible
It’s a slap in the face to say he’s not the pound for pound best fighter until he actually loses
Just depends how the PEDs factor in for you.
Can we factor that in for Khabib too lol
No proof of course, but he’s got some serious connections (Zubaira Tukhugov, Islam Makhachev, Ruslan Magomedov, Mairbek Taisumov all caught and his manger Ali ran a damn PED ring years ago), curious pull outs of fights, long time lines between fights to pattern PEDS ups and downs, Mid career body transformations, possible EPO injuries of blood in the liver, Head like a watermelon Lol, etc etc
Im leaning heavily into eliminating the PEDS negativity from my consideration with Jones because I’m starting to think 90% of the fighters juice so what’s the point.
Stephen Jackson wrote:Make sure u want these problems. Goggle me slime. Im in da streets.
Prez wrote:clyde21 wrote:i wish he got to fight Tony as #1 and #2 but it just didn't happen, it's whatever, rolling thru McGregor, Poirier and Gaethje is no joke, and he rolled thru all of them will little doubt...Tony probably gives him the most fits, but even then, he probably rolls Tony too.
would've loved to see Khabib stay for 1 more fight, take the winner of Tony vs. Conor if it happens and then sail into the sun set, but it's all good...still Mt Rushmore for me.
What sucks is even if we did get the Tony fight it would've been well past Tony's best, he hasn't looked like the real El Cucuy in years. I feel like a 30-31 year old Tony about 5-6 years ago would be the only guy that could've put Khabib in some questionable/dangerous situations, not that he would've won but Khabib probably at least bleeds in that fight lol. Current Tony is just way past it and would've gotten ran over.
Headliner wrote:https://youtu.be/57I_YCJM8Fc
Here’s the fight with the dead parts taken out.
If you listened to the announcers you’d think JG never hit him. Then you watch it and realize he was tagging Khabib A lot and it was Khabib that was barely Connecting.
DC was just ludicrously bias in his announcing, and it rubbed off on the other guy. JG did very well, it was just super ugly and frantic. He won the round until the takedown, that’s the part that surprises me though.
Khabib was exhausted as well, the pace was frantic and sloppy. He was tagged up hard on that leg too. He went full beast mode after that though and did patented Khabib, just being willing to take a shot to get his mits on you. When he did, he just mauled him and muscles a submission. 2nd round was crazy impressive for Khabib he looked great.
gigantes wrote:Upvoted for bringing some facts, although it's really hard for me to see both on a personal level and by observing the scene that Khabib is a bigger star than Brock, Ronda, Bones were, plus various other legends of the sport.
Yeah, I'm sure having a tonne of IG followers is nice, but there was a buzz about those other fighters that transcended the sport. Their names kept popping up all over the place and they tended to be far more visible than Khabib in terms of media appearances, for example. But outside of the occasional sports front page, I'm not sure I've ever seen Khabib's name pop up in different context. As a big Reddit-head, that kinda surprises me, since Reddit tends to do a good job pulling media and articles from a huge range of sources.
Still, that stuff is obviously nebulous and hard to measure. If someone could break down the average PPV buy of a Khabib fight vs. the sport's historically biggest stars, I would tend to think that a more accurate measure of stardom.
High 5 wrote:gigantes wrote:Upvoted for bringing some facts, although it's really hard for me to see both on a personal level and by observing the scene that Khabib is a bigger star than Brock, Ronda, Bones were, plus various other legends of the sport.
Yeah, I'm sure having a tonne of IG followers is nice, but there was a buzz about those other fighters that transcended the sport. Their names kept popping up all over the place and they tended to be far more visible than Khabib in terms of media appearances, for example. But outside of the occasional sports front page, I'm not sure I've ever seen Khabib's name pop up in different context. As a big Reddit-head, that kinda surprises me, since Reddit tends to do a good job pulling media and articles from a huge range of sources.
Still, that stuff is obviously nebulous and hard to measure. If someone could break down the average PPV buy of a Khabib fight vs. the sport's historically biggest stars, I would tend to think that a more accurate measure of stardom.
Bro, just admit you were wrong and move on.
NO-KG-AI wrote:REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...
GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.
No Mighty Mouse?
Stephen Jackson wrote:Make sure u want these problems. Goggle me slime. Im in da streets.
High 5 wrote:REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...
GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.
Not bad, but if we disregard PEDs then I think Jones has to still be considered the most dominant. Especially looking at his first 13 fights in the UFC (which is how many Khabib has). Interestingly it was his 14th fight (Gus) when he finally faced some adversity.
omar36 wrote:High 5 wrote:REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...
GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.
Not bad, but if we disregard PEDs then I think Jones has to still be considered the most dominant. Especially looking at his first 13 fights in the UFC (which is how many Khabib has). Interestingly it was his 14th fight (Gus) when he finally faced some adversity.
disgagree, gus/smith (kinda)/reyes fight were very close. many had reyes winning iirc. he has not looked good for a while.
khabib in 13 fights lost 1 (well 2 now) and the first was mcgregor is debatable consdierng how much he cheated. Khabib never looked in trouble, any fight.
guys like jones/silva will take hits for getting popped, to say otherwise is dumb. if lebron got hit with a ped suspension, do ppl think his goat convo would still be there lol. Jones needs to dominate heavyweight to help his rep back up. Provided he stops getting caught lol
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