Calzaghe Vs. Jones tracking thread

Beryl 96 · Post #1 » by **Beryl 96** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:33 pm

Don't really know if anyone here cares about this possible fight, but I figured it'd be nice to have a thread that could help keep everyone up to date on the negotiations and a thread for everyone to talk about the two fighters and all that hooblaa.

Anyways, I googled around last night and found some articles that make it seem like Calzaghe has chosen to fight Jones rather than Pavlik, hopefully they can finally get this fight made.

heres some recent articles on the matter:
http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=14441
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=3442635

Anyways what do you think, its my most anticipated possible matchup.

cowboyronnie · Post #2 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:42 pm

Fight Pavlik. This is ridiculous. Calzaghe is a coward.

Blame Rasho · Post #3 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:51 am

cowboyronnie wrote:Fight Pavlik. This is ridiculous. Calzaghe is a coward.

I agree... Jones is like 60% from his prime. Getting a W vs him at this point of his career means little to nothing in the big picture. It but it will make the most money. I wonder how much Jones will ask for the fight. He has always been known as a guy who wants the whole world. It will also have to be in Wales and on WCB. I can't see them doing a PPV. I can't remember the last PPV that was overseas.

Beryl 96 · Post #4 » by **Beryl 96** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:28 am

Jones being past his prime is probably a big factor in why he's picking Jones, if he wants to fight him, now would be the time, Pavlik is young and will be around long after November 15th, and Pavlik-Calzaghe at this point is just another title fight with Calzaghe possibly retiring afterwards, the Jones would have more of an aura around it, Jones is trying to make his comeback, what better way to go out than by beating the undefeated P4P runner-up, this little comeback story just adds even more cash into the pot, as if the two guys' names wern't enough of a selling point.

Hold That · Post #5 » by **Hold That** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:55 pm

Calzaghe is being smart. Pavlik is going nowhere right now, and the longer they hold off too fight the higher the payday and public anticipation for the fight will grow. Pavlik still isn't a household name yet, so give it some time. I can't blame Calzaghe for wanting to beat all the legends, even if they are out of his prime at this point. He's trying to collect paydays before he enters that mega fight with Pavlik in which he will surely lose.

I'm not even sure if he could beat Roy Jones, he doesnt have the power to knock Roy out, and honestly Jones has looked impressive in his recent fights.

cowboyronnie · Post #6 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:22 pm

Poohdini wrote:Calzaghe is being smart. Pavlik is going nowhere right now, and the longer they hold off too fight the higher the payday and public anticipation for the fight will grow. Pavlik still isn't a household name yet, so give it some time. I can't blame Calzaghe for wanting to beat all the legends, even if they are out of his prime at this point. He's trying to collect paydays before he enters that mega fight with Pavlik in which he will surely lose.

I'm not even sure if he could beat Roy Jones, he doesnt have the power to knock Roy out, and honestly Jones has looked impressive in his recent fights.

Nah, his work-rate will have Jones on the ropes defensive the entire fight. Roy needs range.

Plus, Roy's got to be closing in on 40...too lazy to look it up.

3 of Calzaghe's 4 biggest wins will be against WAAAAY over the hill: Eubank, Jones and Hopkins.

The only prime fighter of note he's beaten is Kessler, and Kesler had barely ever fought out of Denmark (once I think).

Blame Rasho · Post #7 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:40 am

I have to comment that Jones looked good vs a blown up welterweight who had problems making weight at 170.

I will be rooting for Jones but Joe( never been a fan of his style) would be the significant favorite at this point. If you put them in their primes... Jones KO's him within 6 rounds.

rickj82 · Post #8 » by **rickj82** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:45 am

Blame Rasho wrote:I have to comment that Jones looked good vs a blown up welterweight who had problems making weight at 170.

I will be rooting for Jones but Joe( never been a fan of his style) would be the significant favorite at this point. If you put them in their primes... Jones KO's him within 6 rounds.

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Hold That · Post #9 » by **Hold That** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:27 am

cowboyronnie wrote:
Poohdini wrote:Calzaghe is being smart. Pavlik is going nowhere right now, and the longer they hold off too fight the higher the payday and public anticipation for the fight will grow. Pavlik still isn't a household name yet, so give it some time. I can't blame Calzaghe for wanting to beat all the legends, even if they are out of his prime at this point. He's trying to collect paydays before he enters that mega fight with Pavlik in which he will surely lose.

I'm not even sure if he could beat Roy Jones, he doesnt have the power to knock Roy out, and honestly Jones has looked impressive in his recent fights.

Nah, his work-rate will have Jones on the ropes defensive the entire fight. Roy needs range.

Plus, Roy's got to be closing in on 40...too lazy to look it up.

3 of Calzaghe's 4 biggest wins will be against WAAAAY over the hill: Eubank, Jones and Hopkins.

The only prime fighter of note he's beaten is Kessler, and Kesler had barely ever fought out of Denmark (once I think).

Calzaghe does have a great work rate, but he's not going o up against Benard Hopkins here. B-Hop has always been a slow starter and only starts to actually put things together around 7-12 rounds.

With Roy Jones, he competes full speed out of the gate. That pitty pat punches are not going to fly against Roy Jones. He has absolutely no power to knock out Jones. With Jones knowing that, this is the first mental barriar that Jones has probably overcame, and will be comfortable in the ring.

Jones still has power and speed advantage over Calzaghe. Calzaghe can throw as many pointless punches as he wants, but the important hard shot and clean punches will go to Roy Jones easy.

cowboyronnie · Post #10 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:54 am

Think of Glen Johnson against RJJ. That was not a quick start from Jones. When he gets overwhelmed he gets cute and lies on the ropes.

Beryl 96 · Post #11 » by **Beryl 96** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:42 am

Often times people say your only as good as your last fight, for Jones I think this is more true than in most cases ATM, the Tarver and Johnson losses, messed up his Psyche alot I think, during and after those I think he was really questioning if he still had it or not, and was really worried about being embaressed again, but after those tune up fights and and later the Trinidad fight I think he's regained alot of composure, he eased his way back in, even in the Trinidad fight he sort of coasted past the first few rounds to get a feel for Tito, then went on the offensive, he also developed a much better defense which sort reminds me of Winky's defensive style, these are things which I think alot of people overlook when looking at RJJ now, they just think he's simply a shot fighter whos trying to use the same old tricks to comeback, but in reality its a little bit more than that.

Joe is no doubt be the favorite, but if he fights like he did against Hopkins, I really doubt its going to be enough to stop Jones.

Cochulito · Post #12 » by **Cochulito** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:19 pm

New here, Speaking of Calzaghe, anyone heard about him turning down a 10 million dollar offer to fight Pavlik?

Beryl 96 · Post #13 » by **Beryl 96** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:11 pm

Thats sort of the debate going on here, I don't know how much he turned down, but the fight hes trying to make with Jones would surely rake in more than a fight with Pavlik, that and Pavlik will be around for years to come, Jones might be retiring after another fight or two, he hasn't said anything, but at the age of 39, its surely closing in.

Blame Rasho · Post #14 » by **Blame Rasho** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:38 pm

Cochulito wrote:New here, Speaking of Calzaghe, anyone heard about him turning down a 10 million dollar offer to fight Pavlik?

In order for that to happen the fight will have to go to PPV and that is very unlikely.

Blame Rasho · Post #15 » by **Blame Rasho** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:40 pm

El Gato wrote:Thats sort of the debate going on here, I don't know how much he turned down, but the fight hes trying to make with Jones would surely rake in more than a fight with Pavlik, that and Pavlik will be around for years to come, Jones might be retiring after another fight or two, he hasn't said anything, but at the age of 39, its surely closing in.

I agree... if the fight is in Vegas, it would be a PPV. It would be an awesome WCB fight on HBO in Wales. I have to give the Welsh people props for the mega fight that they stayed up vs Kessler. 60K strong is an amazing turnout.

Beryl 96 · Post #16 » by **Beryl 96** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:28 am

bit of an update, looks pretty certain that the fight will be announced sometime soon and that the date for the fight will be September 20th at Madison Square.

Blame Rasho · Post #17 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:31 pm

Well it sucks that it is going PPV... it is going to have a crap undercard so no chance that I am buying it.

Back to back PPV's? What is HBO thinking?

Beryl 96 · Post #18 » by **Beryl 96** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:16 am

I think both parties wanted it to be PPV cause HBO refused to cover the fight if it was overseas, which is why I think it came to MSG.

Blame Rasho · Post #19 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:08 am

El Gato wrote:I think both parties wanted it to be PPV cause HBO refused to cover the fight if it was overseas, which is why I think it came to MSG.

They both wanted to get paid... that is why it is going PPV. It isn't a worthy PPV fight in my opinion.

I expect both back to back PPV to do utter crap. It is alot to ask even a hardcore boxing fan.

Beryl 96 · Post #20 » by **Beryl 96** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:44 am

The fight is IMO, the undercard though is what seems like will be lacking.