UFC 92

[nykinoz]

FORREST GRIFFIN vs. “SUGAR” RASHAD EVANS
ANTONIO RODRIGO “MINOTAURO” NOGUEIRA vs. FRANK MIR
WANDERLEI SILVA vs. QUINTON “RAMPAGE” JACKSON


Great, great card

[cowboyronnie]

B+

Mir has no right to be in the ring with Nog.

Wanderlei is really close to shot. All that steroid abuse, 10+ years of intensive training for vale tudo/MMA, all that abuse he's taken...it's disturbing.

They need some of dunamic fighters at lower weights to round this out.

[jTF2]

B+

Mir has no right to be in the ring with Nog.

Wanderlei is really close to shot. All that steroid abuse, 10+ years of intensive training for vale tudo/MMA, all that abuse he's taken...it's disturbing.

They need some of dunamic fighters at lower weights to round this out.

what?

[Cammo101]

B+

Mir has no right to be in the ring with Nog.

Wanderlei is really close to shot. All that steroid abuse, 10+ years of intensive training for vale tudo/MMA, all that abuse he's taken...it's disturbing.

They need some of dunamic fighters at lower weights to round this out.

Are you kidding me? Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride, but he still has a lot left in the gas tank and fights very exciting fights. Just ask Keith Jardine. Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world and coming off a win over Lesnar that just looks better and better with time. Make no mistake, when Mir is in shape and mentally prepared, he can beat anyone in the world. We are talking about a former champion here. Not to mention this is a battle of the 2 best BJJ guys in the history of the heavyweight division by a pretty wide margin. It is worth watching for that alone.

[cowboyronnie]

Just ask Keith Jardine.

Two guys run to the middle of the ring and swing like maniacs, one's bound to get clocked. Not a sign of anything. He was coming off three straight losses, 2 by brutal KO and he's 5-5 in his last 10. But catching Jardine half a minute into a fight proves he's back??? Sitting down on one punch? After 3 straight Ls?

Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride

He barely made it out of Pride with his skull intact. Mirko and Henderson destroyed him, back-to-back, each time with brutal KOs.

The wear you can see on his face and body is gross.

Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world

Not even close.

[jTF2]

^ Fair enough. We should also examine Rampage's head then. I think he's in far worse shape mentally than Wandy is.

-Caused a miscarriage
-lost his title to Forrest whom he has said before that he has little respect for
-was on major pharmaceuticals after the fight
-arrested

His 'trauma' is much more recent than Wandy's was and it could be a big factor in the fight.

[funkatron101]

^ Fair enough. We should also examine Rampage's head then. I think he's in far worse shape mentally than Wandy is.

-Caused a miscarriage
-lost his title to Forrest whom he has said before that he has little respect for
-was on major pharmaceuticals after the fight
-arrested

Didn't a doctor determine that the miscarriage was not the result of the accident? Also I believe no drugs were found in his system.

[jTF2]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/jackso ... rest-14186

[Dana] White blamed Jackson’s behavior on sleep deprivation, starvation, and “delirium” following the fighter’s five-round decision title loss to Forrest Griffin (Pictures) at UFC 86 a week before the incident.

I thought I read somewhere he was on anti depressants, oh well. Nevertheless, clearly he was in the worst mental shape of his life following his loss to Forrest. As for the miscarriage, keep in mind that Rampage did hit the woman's car. We can't presume to know his conscience but I'm sure he didn't dismiss the miscarriage simply as coincidence.

[RutgersBJJ]

Just ask Keith Jardine.

Two guys run to the middle of the ring and swing like maniacs, one's bound to get clocked. Not a sign of anything. He was coming off three straight losses, 2 by brutal KO and he's 5-5 in his last 10. But catching Jardine half a minute into a fight proves he's back??? Sitting down on one punch? After 3 straight Ls?

funny that you say he is 5-5 in his last 10, considering you could say he is 21-5-1 in his last 27 fights. The only two fights he has looked damn bad in the past couple of years were the CroCop fight and the Hendo fight. In the CroCop fight he is fighting someone who is better than anyone any top LHW has ever fought besides Arona who fought Fedor. In the Hendo fight, you can't watch that one and tell me he looked how he usually does. He is now coming off a KO win, and an impressive showing against Chuck where you could argue and say he won that fight. He is now also fighting one of the most overrated fighters in all of MMA. Rampage has not looked impressive against a top opponent besides his fights against Chuck. He looked average against Forrest, average against Henderson, barely beat a MW in Lindland, and destroyed by Shogun. Everyone likes to pretend that Rampage some how is a different fighter than he was 3 years ago. He is the same fighter, the only difference is he hasn't faced fighters who can really test him. He hasn't faced fighters who are terrible style match-ups for him like Shogun and Wanderlei. Wanderlei will destroy him, quickly. And then everyone will have to admit he is back, and have to re-evaluate Rampage's claim to being top 5 in the division. Wanderlei became gun shy after his 2 KO losses, he himself has stated it stopped him from rushing in to finish Chuck when he knocked him down multiple times. He will walk through Rampage. Rampage has nothing on him, and Rampage is a mentally weak fighter and always has been. He quit against Shogun, and is talking all of this **** online to Wanderlei and yet when they see eachother he says nothing. I hope Wanderlei teaches him his lesson, and Babalu's him by getting a couple extra strikes in when the ref tries to stop it. Rampage couldn't even handle Forrest in the clinch, he won't handle Wanderlei. He's also training with a garbage camp right now in England, while Wanderlei is training in a city (Las Vegas) that has all of the best trainers in the world.

Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride

He barely made it out of Pride with his skull intact. Mirko and Henderson destroyed him, back-to-back, each time with brutal KOs.

The wear you can see on his face and body is gross.

Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world

Not even close.

He's a top 10 HW by default. CroCop is done, Aleks has HIV or whatever he has, Couture hasn't fought in a year so you can't rank him, and everyone else sucks. There are like 6 quality HWs in all of MMA, and only one of them is in the UFC. IN a division where an overrated Couture can be argued to be top 5, it is just sad. The guy is 2-2 in the past like 5 years at HW. I hope he beats Brock, because I want to see a unification bout that will last more then 40 seconds, and Nog will sub Brock in 40 seconds if he has to face him. Fedor, Nog, Arlovski, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture, Werdum, and then after that it is kind of a crapshoot. I have no problem in someone ranking Mir over Gonzaga who has made his career off of one fluke kick, and has lost to every other good fighter he has faced. Sergei is top 10, but he doesn't fight often enough. Allistair is a piece of **** and will never be in my top 10, I can't wait till Mirko hits him in the nuts in december for saying mirko faked it.

the rest of the card is decent. I want to see how fast Forrest beats Rashad. It depends on if he wants to strike with Rashad, or if he wants to clinch, take him down, and easily submit him. I would like Forrest to start showing off his ground game more, because it is pretty damn good. This fight should show why Rashad belongs in the MW division.

Anderson Silva also should, and could be on this card assuming he walks through Cote without breaking his hand on Cote's fist. Not sure who he would face though. I am assuming Chuck is out of the picture because Chuck turned down a fight with Franklin for the Ireland event in January (Franklin would have walked through him). Maybe Silva will fight Marquardt again? The Kongo fight better not be on the main card. I don't want to see him hold someone against the fence, knee him every once in awhile, and then wait for his opponent to fall down. I love how they just keep feeding him jokes too, it is like they are keeping his hype semi-alive for Lesnar to walk through if he loses to Couture. Okami should get the title shot he lost by being hurt when he beats Lister.

[CPT]

It would be sweet if they signed Shields and/or Lawler (or even better, Alvarez and Diaz) and had one of them on this card. If they could work out a way to move the Diaz vs. Alvarez fight to this card, I'd be happier than a pig in ****.

I pretty much agree with CBR about the card as a whole though. At the top it's awesome. Evans vs. Griffin is a big matchup, and I'm really looking forward to Rampage vs. Silva, but Nog vs. Mir is a joke.

[SpReEfOrAlL]

B+

Mir has no right to be in the ring with Nog.

Wanderlei is really close to shot. All that steroid abuse, 10+ years of intensive training for vale tudo/MMA, all that abuse he's taken...it's disturbing.

They need some of dunamic fighters at lower weights to round this out.

Are you kidding me? Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride, but he still has a lot left in the gas tank and fights very exciting fights. Just ask Keith Jardine. Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world and coming off a win over Lesnar that just looks better and better with time. Make no mistake, when Mir is in shape and mentally prepared, he can beat anyone in the world. We are talking about a former champion here. Not to mention this is a battle of the 2 best BJJ guys in the history of the heavyweight division by a pretty wide margin. It is worth watching for that alone.

Mir is one of the 2 best BJJ HW's of all time???? REALLY? Mir's BJJ is nowhere NEAR Werdum's. The fact that he is getting this shot with out having to fight Werdum is a joke. Werdum and Gonzaga have better jits. And both would crush Mir. Mir is a joke. And has no business in the same building as a legend like Nog. Let alone in the same octagon. Wins over Lesnar and Hardonk should NOT = a title shot.

[SpReEfOrAlL]

Just ask Keith Jardine.

Two guys run to the middle of the ring and swing like maniacs, one's bound to get clocked. Not a sign of anything. He was coming off three straight losses, 2 by brutal KO and he's 5-5 in his last 10. But catching Jardine half a minute into a fight proves he's back??? Sitting down on one punch? After 3 straight Ls?

funny that you say he is 5-5 in his last 10, considering you could say he is 21-5-1 in his last 27 fights. The only two fights he has looked damn bad in the past couple of years were the CroCop fight and the Hendo fight. In the CroCop fight he is fighting someone who is better than anyone any top LHW has ever fought besides Arona who fought Fedor. In the Hendo fight, you can't watch that one and tell me he looked how he usually does. He is now coming off a KO win, and an impressive showing against Chuck where you could argue and say he won that fight. He is now also fighting one of the most overrated fighters in all of MMA. Rampage has not looked impressive against a top opponent besides his fights against Chuck. He looked average against Forrest, average against Henderson, barely beat a MW in Lindland, and destroyed by Shogun. Everyone likes to pretend that Rampage some how is a different fighter than he was 3 years ago. He is the same fighter, the only difference is he hasn't faced fighters who can really test him. He hasn't faced fighters who are terrible style match-ups for him like Shogun and Wanderlei. Wanderlei will destroy him, quickly. And then everyone will have to admit he is back, and have to re-evaluate Rampage's claim to being top 5 in the division. Wanderlei became gun shy after his 2 KO losses, he himself has stated it stopped him from rushing in to finish Chuck when he knocked him down multiple times. He will walk through Rampage. Rampage has nothing on him, and Rampage is a mentally weak fighter and always has been. He quit against Shogun, and is talking all of this **** online to Wanderlei and yet when they see eachother he says nothing. I hope Wanderlei teaches him his lesson, and Babalu's him by getting a couple extra strikes in when the ref tries to stop it. Rampage couldn't even handle Forrest in the clinch, he won't handle Wanderlei. He's also training with a garbage camp right now in England, while Wanderlei is training in a city (Las Vegas) that has all of the best trainers in the world.

Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride

He barely made it out of Pride with his skull intact. Mirko and Henderson destroyed him, back-to-back, each time with brutal KOs.

The wear you can see on his face and body is gross.

Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world

Not even close.

He's a top 10 HW by default. CroCop is done, Aleks has HIV or whatever he has, Couture hasn't fought in a year so you can't rank him, and everyone else sucks. There are like 6 quality HWs in all of MMA, and only one of them is in the UFC. IN a division where an overrated Couture can be argued to be top 5, it is just sad. The guy is 2-2 in the past like 5 years at HW. I hope he beats Brock, because I want to see a unification bout that will last more then 40 seconds, and Nog will sub Brock in 40 seconds if he has to face him. Fedor, Nog, Arlovski, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture, Werdum, and then after that it is kind of a crapshoot. I have no problem in someone ranking Mir over Gonzaga who has made his career off of one fluke kick, and has lost to every other good fighter he has faced. Sergei is top 10, but he doesn't fight often enough. Allistair is a piece of **** and will never be in my top 10, I can't wait till Mirko hits him in the nuts in december for saying mirko faked it.

the rest of the card is decent. I want to see how fast Forrest beats Rashad. It depends on if he wants to strike with Rashad, or if he wants to clinch, take him down, and easily submit him. I would like Forrest to start showing off his ground game more, because it is pretty damn good. This fight should show why Rashad belongs in the MW division.

Anderson Silva also should, and could be on this card assuming he walks through Cote without breaking his hand on Cote's fist. Not sure who he would face though. I am assuming Chuck is out of the picture because Chuck turned down a fight with Franklin for the Ireland event in January (Franklin would have walked through him). Maybe Silva will fight Marquardt again? The Kongo fight better not be on the main card. I don't want to see him hold someone against the fence, knee him every once in awhile, and then wait for his opponent to fall down. I love how they just keep feeding him jokes too, it is like they are keeping his hype semi-alive for Lesnar to walk through if he loses to Couture. Okami should get the title shot he lost by being hurt when he beats Lister.

Calling Rampage overrated is pretty silly. Some of the best stand up at 205. With Big KO power. Definitely the best stand up defense at 205. Some of the best take down defense in MMA. Along with an iron chin. I do not like his choice in camps, but I do think he will win this fight. Though i would be happy with either of them winning it, as they are my 2 favorite LHWs.

I know he didn't look great against Forrest, but it was still a close fight, and one fight doesnt take away any of the skills Rampage has.

[RutgersBJJ]

Calling Rampage overrated is pretty silly. Some of the best stand up at 205. With Big KO power. Definitely the best stand up defense at 205. Some of the best take down defense in MMA. Along with an iron chin. I do not like his choice in camps, but I do think he will win this fight. Though i would be happy with either of them winning it, as they are my 2 favorite LHWs.

I know he didn't look great against Forrest, but it was still a close fight, and one fight doesnt take away any of the skills Rampage has.

there is no possible way Rampage has some of the best stand up at 205, there is no real technique in his striking. And he does not have the best defense. I really don't think you know what you are talking about. Machida and so many others are vastly superior compared to him in the stand-up game. Rampage is a brawler, nothing more, nothing less. And someone with an iron chin doesn't get KO'd.

I already mentioned that one fight does not take away from Rampage, but an entire career of less than impressive wins does take away from it. Besides beating Chuck (who's true colors have been shown), Rampage's career is not impressive. It just isn't.

instead of just stating your opinions, contradict what i was saying. What in his career, besides the Chuck win has really impressed you. I am hoping you don't say the Arona fight, because if you have ever seen the whole fight and not just the clip of the slam, Rampage impresses no one with that fight.

he is a personality. It will all come crashing down soon. And he is a terrible human being to meet, he has treated fans like **** whenever I have seen him at an event. He started believing his own hype, and got away from the fact that he is a wrestler and a brawler. He is not an elite striker, and he will lose against any striker with technique and a gameplan, because Rampage is not intelligent enough to stick to a gameplan.

[Cammo101]

B+

Mir has no right to be in the ring with Nog.

Wanderlei is really close to shot. All that steroid abuse, 10+ years of intensive training for vale tudo/MMA, all that abuse he's taken...it's disturbing.

They need some of dunamic fighters at lower weights to round this out.

Are you kidding me? Wanderlei is no longer the guy we knew from Pride, but he still has a lot left in the gas tank and fights very exciting fights. Just ask Keith Jardine. Mir is a top 10 heavyweight in the world and coming off a win over Lesnar that just looks better and better with time. Make no mistake, when Mir is in shape and mentally prepared, he can beat anyone in the world. We are talking about a former champion here. Not to mention this is a battle of the 2 best BJJ guys in the history of the heavyweight division by a pretty wide margin. It is worth watching for that alone.

Mir is one of the 2 best BJJ HW's of all time???? REALLY? Mir's BJJ is nowhere NEAR Werdum's. The fact that he is getting this shot with out having to fight Werdum is a joke. Werdum and Gonzaga have better jits. And both would crush Mir. Mir is a joke. And has no business in the same building as a legend like Nog. Let alone in the same octagon. Wins over Lesnar and Hardonk should NOT = a title shot.

Werdum's BJJ is comparable to Mir, but Gonzaga's is not even close. Mir and Nog have long been considered the 2 best BJJ fighters in the heavyweight division.

I think Mir can beat Nog. He will certainly look better than Werdum just did getting his brains beat in by a nobody. I think Werdum is big time overrated ( or at least was before getting KOed by a guy no one has heard of) and Mir is big time underrated.

[cowboyronnie]

Chuck has shown his colors???

Oh Jesus Christ, shut up.

[CPT]

LOL, really.

I mean Chuck might not be looking all that great now, but to act like he never was is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He's also beaten Wanderlei Silva since the last time Rampage beat him, so he's not done yet.

The reason I came in the thread was to talk about the Karo vs. Shields fight that I heard might be added to this card, but after double checking, Karo vs. TBA has been removed from the rumours section on MMA Junkie, and Shields hasn't even signed with the UFC yet, but here's hoping it goes down, because that would put this card over the top.

[ansoncarter]

Mir is the only guy ever to tap Brock Lesnar

something to think about

[Cammo101]

LOL, really.

I mean Chuck might not be looking all that great now, but to act like he never was is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He's also beaten Wanderlei Silva since the last time Rampage beat him, so he's not done yet.

The reason I came in the thread was to talk about the Karo vs. Shields fight that I heard might be added to this card, but after double checking, Karo vs. TBA has been removed from the rumours section on MMA Junkie, and Shields hasn't even signed with the UFC yet, but here's hoping it goes down, because that would put this card over the top.

I do not like the idea of a Karo vs. Shields fight. I think Karo would win and thus waste whatever juice Shields has coming in. Shields' first fight in the UFC should be against a top 5 guy. That way if he loses, and he will, he will still have some interesting fights ahead against Karo/Serra types.

[CPT]

LOL, really.

I mean Chuck might not be looking all that great now, but to act like he never was is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He's also beaten Wanderlei Silva since the last time Rampage beat him, so he's not done yet.

The reason I came in the thread was to talk about the Karo vs. Shields fight that I heard might be added to this card, but after double checking, Karo vs. TBA has been removed from the rumours section on MMA Junkie, and Shields hasn't even signed with the UFC yet, but here's hoping it goes down, because that would put this card over the top.

I do not like the idea of a Karo vs. Shields fight. I think Karo would win and thus waste whatever juice Shields has coming in. Shields' first fight in the UFC should be against a top 5 guy. That way if he loses, and he will, he will still have some interesting fights ahead against Karo/Serra types.

I guess. But if Shields can't beat Karo, then what's the point?

I don't think he'll have as much hype coming in as you think, so he needs a fight like Karo that he has a reasonable chance at winning. Maybe he should get a guy even lower on the totem pole than Karo, like a Lytle, Davis, or Hazelett just to get going. But I'd like to see the fight with Karo, as any fight at WW where it's hard to pick a winner would be welcome on this card.

[jTF2]

**** Jake shields. can't stomach the guy's singular fighting style