WEC 38 - this Sunday

cowboyronnie · Post #1 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:40 am

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dMUaaVNUpQU

MAIN CARD
Jamie Varner vs. Donald Cerrone (for lightweight championship)
Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver (FW)
Danillo Villefort vs. Mike Campbell (WW)
Jose Aldo vs. Rolando Perez (FW)

UNDERCARD
Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Njokuani (LW)
Edgar Garcia vs. Hiromitsu Miura (WW)
Dominick Cruz vs. Ian McCall (FW)
Scott Jorgenson vs. Frank Gomez (BW)
Blas Avena vs. Jesse Lennox (WW)
Charlie Valencia vs. Seth Dikun (BW)

Which are the best bets from the undercard to serve as swing-bouts?

Post #2 » by **CPT** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:38 am

cowboyronnie wrote:http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dMUaaVNUpQU

MAIN CARD
Jamie Varner vs. Donald Cerrone (for lightweight championship)
Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver (FW)
Danillo Villefort vs. Mike Campbell (WW)
Jose Aldo vs. Rolando Perez (FW)

UNDERCARD
Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Njokuani (LW)
Edgar Garcia vs. Hiromitsu Miura (WW)
Dominick Cruz vs. Ian McCall (FW)
Scott Jorgenson vs. Frank Gomez (BW)
Blas Avena vs. Jesse Lennox (WW)
Charlie Valencia vs. Seth Dikun (BW)

Which are the best bets from the undercard to serve as swing-bouts?

I bet I'll enjoy this a lot more than the Affliction show this weekend. Too bad that's getting more attention (although still not very much).

I would think Miura should get some TV love since his last fight was that war with Condit, but I guess they will just wait to see what the best fight is.

cowboyronnie · Post #3 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:51 am

IDK, that Affliction card is pretty killer.

Faber vs Pulver II is ridiculous. There are a lot of young guns at 145, put Pulver out to pasture. He hasn't done anything of note in 3-4 years.

Cammo101 · Post #4 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:20 am

You can bet on the fact that the Varner/Verrone fight and the Cruz/McCall fight will both be excellent fights. Faber should pound Pulver into the ground, which is exactly what the WEC wants so he is right back in the main event against the Brown/Garcia winner.

This is a weaker card than the past few WEC cards, but still good none the less. It seems like the last card was too stacked, where good fighters fought on the undercard and were never seen, when we could use those guys on this card.

The real question is who will they bring in to fight Miguel Torres after he outclasses Brian Bowles.

El Hardee · Post #5 » by **El Hardee** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:24 pm

WAR VARNER!!!!!!!!!!

Susan · Post #6 » by **Susan** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:01 am

Donny got robbed IMO.

harry lockheart · Post #7 » by **harry lockheart** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:33 am

That card was fun as hell. Cerrone is going to be unbelievable if he develops takedown defense.

Cammo101 · Post #8 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:42 am

It certainly looked to me like that Cerrone knee was legal. Even if the knee was not legal, it sure looked like Varner was acting. He got grazed by that knee and pretty much acted like he went into cardiac arrest. Even if he couldn't see out of it (which is sketchy), there is no reason it should have had him rolling on the ground in pain. And then in the interview, he talked about how he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

I like Varner and I hope I am wrong, but it sure looked like he took the easy way out. The crowd sure thought so.

2009NBAChamps · Post #9 » by **2009NBAChamps** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:51 pm

Wow, I only caught the main event for this card, but the cowboy dude got robbed. I mean I think based on decision it was close but Varner ran out of gas that last round and I think took the easy way out for sure. I heard him say to the doc that he can't see. How is that possible when the knee just grazed him on the side of the head???

Either way it was a good fight til the end. Too bad everyone will remember Varner crying instead of the first 4 rounds.

2009NBAChamps · Post #10 » by **2009NBAChamps** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:54 pm

Cammo101 wrote:It certainly looked to me like that Cerrone knee was legal. Even if the knee was not legal, it sure looked like Varner was acting. He got grazed by that knee and pretty much acted like he went into cardiac arrest. Even if he couldn't see out of it (which is sketchy), there is no reason it should have had him rolling on the ground in pain. And then in the interview, he talked about how he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

I like Varner and I hope I am wrong, but it sure looked like he took the easy way out. The crowd sure thought so.

Yeah he came out looking like a real ******

cowboyronnie · Post #11 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:46 pm

It was a relief to see Jens go down to a body shot and a sub instead of head punishment.

Mind you, CSAC should have stopped that months ago.

Bernman · Post #12 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:01 pm

When Varner initially walked down the aisle before the fight it looked like he was asleep. Made me wonder if he was cutting weight or boozing it up in conjunction with his lack of hygiene. And he still came out on top, albeit with some gamesmanship to preserve the victory. If he was indeed unable to continue after an illegal blow then I didn't see the need to repeatedly apologize to Cerroni and the fans afterward OR mention he broke his hand earlier (like Cammo said). Of course he resorted gamesmanship also in the McCullough fight by asking for a TO to return his mouthpiece in order to buy time so he could recover after getting rocked. If his dedication to winning out of the cage (gassed out against Hermes also), equaled it inside, he would be the best 155-pounder in the world. Still is one of my favorite fighters though and if he gets it together will dominate Cerroni in the rematch.

cowboyronnie · Post #13 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:37 pm

2009NBAChamps wrote:Wow, I only caught the main event for this card, but the cowboy dude got robbed. I mean I think based on decision it was close but Varner ran out of gas that last round and I think took the easy way out for sure. I heard him say to the doc that he can't see. How is that possible when the knee just grazed him on the side of the head???

Either way it was a good fight til the end. Too bad everyone will remember Varner crying instead of the first 4 rounds.

No. That was legit. Varner was beating his ass. He got badly fouled.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

Cammo101 wrote:It certainly looked to me like that Cerrone knee was legal. Even if the knee was not legal, it sure looked like Varner was acting. He got grazed by that knee and pretty much acted like he went into cardiac arrest. Even if he couldn't see out of it (which is sketchy), there is no reason it should have had him rolling on the ground in pain. And then in the interview, he talked about how he broke his hand in the 2nd round.

I like Varner and I hope I am wrong, but it sure looked like he took the easy way out. The crowd sure thought so.

**** the crowd. ****.

Cammo101 · Post #14 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:48 pm

It is very debatable that the knee was illegal at all (it sure looked like Varner's knees were off the ground when the knee was started and Varner put them back on the ground when he saw the knee coming...that makes it a legal knee IMO.), but to say Varner got badly fouled is a joke. That knee barely hit him.

What seems more likely is that Varner was gassing and had a broken hand and he took the first chance he got to get out of the fight. It would have been more believable had he just has trouble seeing, but that grazing knee is not going to cause he to roll around on the ground like he got shot by a tazer. I think he was acting because he knew he was winning and that Cerrone had more gas left.

Varner is a very good fighter, but I think this fight shows why he will never be one of the best lightweights out there. He lacks the heart and toughness (this was not the first time either. Let's not forget that Varner begged for a timeout in the Razor Rob fight when he was getting peppered) to really take down the elite guys at 155. Cerrone on the otherhand still needs a lot of work, but he is a tough tough dude and his future is very bright. Varner won this fight and probably would have won it had it gone to it's conclusion, but he managed to take a win and turn it into a perceived loss. Varner may have won the fight, but Cerrone came out as the fan favorite because he fought through adversity.

Varner has a ton of talent, lets hope his mental game catches up to his physical game.

El Hardee · Post #15 » by **El Hardee** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:09 pm

It might not have been a nasty looking blow, but the bottom line is Jaimie was down. Whether or or not he could've continued only he knows, but we dont know how hurt he was so I dont think we have any right to question his heart. BTW I train with him and the dude is the hardest working, toughest dude in the gym, mentally and physically. He still the champ and he still young, lets not put a cap on his potential after 1 average performance. ( Actually I thought Varner was owning Cowboy)

El Hardee · Post #16 » by **El Hardee** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:18 pm

FYI Jaimie not only broke his hand in the 2nd round but also his foot, and had a scratched cornea.

Cammo101 · Post #17 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:21 pm

El Hardee wrote:It might not have been a nasty looking blow, but the bottom line is Jaimie was down. Whether or or not he could've continued only he knows, but we dont know how hurt he was so I dont think we have any right to question his heart. BTW I train with him and the dude is the hardest working, toughest dude in the gym, mentally and physically. He still the champ and he still young, lets not put a cap on his potential after 1 average performance. ( Actually I thought Varner was owning Cowboy)

Varner was owning him, but he had slowed considerably in that last round where Cerrone was still fresh. The fact that Varner had a broken hand and foot and the overreaction to the knee make me pretty sure he was faking it, or at least playing it up a lot.

I think Varner is a good fighter and a tough dude, but I also think he saw an oppritunity and took advantage of it. It is a mute point anyways IMO because the knee was legal and if it really hurt him that bad then Cerrone should be the champ right now.

Cammo101 · Post #18 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:22 pm

El Hardee wrote:FYI Jaimie not only broke his hand in the 2nd round but also his foot, and had a scratched cornea.

The broken foot and hand are a large part of why people think he was faking it. Those things happened legally within the fight though, so if that is why he could not continue then he should have lost.

Post #19 » by **CPT** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:19 am

Too bad to see such a good fight and event get capped off by a controversial finish like that. I felt that Varner was winning to that point, but in very close rounds, by 3-1, if not 4-0. However, I do have to question what happened with the knee. For starters, it did look almost legal, as he was starting to stand up when Cerrone threw it, but sat back down by the time it landed. That's probably why it grazed the top of his head instead of landing directly. I'm not sure what the rule is on that though. I'm not a fighter or a doctor, but I'm also not sure why that knee would give him trouble seeing; I guess he was just really rocked. Both guys are tough and put on a good fight, so I'd have no complaints if they did an immediate rematch. Who would be next in line anyway?

But how about those other fights?

Faber vs. Pulver was nothing special, but I still think Pulver has something left and is a game opponent for anyone at FW. Give him a couple months off because he's had a rough go of it lately, let him come back in 6-8 months against a guy that isn't in the top 5, and see what happens. Faber will get the next title shot, and rightfully so I guess. There's just something I don't like about that guy. I don't know if it's the No Fear or the chin dimple, but something about him just screams douche.

Jorgensen vs. Gomez was nothing special, but that was a pretty cool variation of the guillotine to finish it.

Villefort vs. Campbell was a nice little fight. Some pretty good ground action early on, and a GNP finish.

Aldo vs. Perez was also pretty good. Vicious KO that may have been the best of the weekend if not for Fedor.

All in all, I'd say I enjoyed the actual fights of this event more than Affliction, but the spectacle and star power made the latter a better event overall.

El Hardee · Post #20 » by **El Hardee** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:03 pm

The knee didnt look to bad but Jamie eye is really swollen, it was a grazing blow, but it sorta caught him inside the eye socket.