MMA's top camp

El Hardee · Post #1 » by **El Hardee** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 3:35 pm

Last year Arizona Combat had the highest winning % of any camps in MMA, we have alot of guys who fight on smaller shows so that really dont mean squat, here is my list of the top camps in MMA.

1. ATT
Thiago Alves
Wilson Gouveia
Thiago Silva
Mike Brown
Antonio Silva

2. Jacksons
Keith Jardine
Georges St Pierre
Rashad Evans
Nate Marquardt
David Loiseau

3. Blackhouse Fighters
Anderson Silva
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Minotauro)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Paulo Filho
Lyoto Machida

4. Xtreme Couture
Randy Couture
Gray Maynard
Tyson Griffin
Forrest Griffin
Stephan Bonnar

5. AKA
Josh Koscheck
Jon Fitch
Mike Swick
Cain Velasquez

6. Wolfslair MMA
Rampage Jackson
Michael Bisping
Cheick Kongo
Paul Kelly

7. Arizona Combat
Jamie Varner
Ryan Bader
CB Dollaway
Aaron Simpson
The Steinbeiss brothers
Carlos Condit

8. Nova Uniao
Jose Aldo
Thales Leites
Shaolin Riberio

9. Miletich Fighting System
Matt Hughes
Robbie Lawler
Tim Sylvia
Jens Pulver
Spencer Fisher

What do you guys think?

Nemesis21 · Post #2 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:28 pm

So the Nogueira brothers are both named Antonio Rodrigo ?

Nemesis21 · Post #3 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:31 pm

Never mind, I see the difference. One is Rodrigo the other is Rogerio

Nemesis21 · Post #4 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 5:33 pm

El Hardee wrote:Last year Arizona Combat had the highest winning % of any camps in MMA, we have alot of guys who fight on smaller shows so that really dont mean squat, here is my list of the top camps in MMA.

1. ATT
Thiago Alves
Wilson Gouveia
Thiago Silva
Mike Brown
Antonio Silva

2. Jacksons
Keith Jardine
Georges St Pierre
Rashad Evans
Nate Marquardt
David Loiseau

3. Blackhouse Fighters
Anderson Silva
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Minotauro)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Paulo Filho
Lyoto Machida

4. Xtreme Couture
Randy Couture
Gray Maynard
Tyson Griffin
Forrest Griffin
Stephan Bonnar

5. AKA
Josh Koscheck
Jon Fitch
Mike Swick
Cain Velasquez

6. Wolfslair MMA
Rampage Jackson
Michael Bisping
Cheick Kongo
Paul Kelly

7. Arizona Combat
Jamie Varner
Ryan Bader
CB Dollaway
Aaron Simpson
The Steinbeiss brothers
Carlos Condit

8. Nova Uniao
Jose Aldo
Thales Leites
Shaolin Riberio

9. Miletich Fighting System
Matt Hughes
Robbie Lawler
Tim Sylvia
Jens Pulver
Spencer Fisher

What do you guys think?

No Team Punishment? maybe ranked # 10
Kendall Grove
Matt Hamill
Melvin Guillard
Rob McCullogh
Tiki Ghosn

Post #5 » by **kdawg32086** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 6:01 pm

I think Team Punishment disbanded. Tiki Ghosn went to Wolfslair. Kendall Grove is with BJ Penn. Hamill trained back home for his last few fights. McCullogh has been training with Colin Oyama. And who gives a f**k about Guillard?

Last I heard Tito had Carlo Prater and Mark Munoz with him, although Munoz trains with Urijah Faber at Ultimate Fitness now.

I think Minnesota Martial Arts Academy should be #5:
Brock Lesnar
Sean Sherk
Brock Larson
Nick Thompson
Derrick Noble
Logan Clark

No love for Team Quest? They're certainly not ridiculously stacked anymore but here's their current team:
Dan Henderson
Matt Lindland
Sokoudjou
Fabiano Scherner
Krzystof Soszyienski
Jason "Mayhem" Miller
Ryan Schultz
Jesse Taylor

Also, Hughes and Lawler aren't with Miletich anymore.

Cammo101 · Post #6 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:15 pm

The best camp right now is Jackson's. ATT and Xtreme Couture are always in the hunt though.

El Hardee · Post #7 » by **El Hardee** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:18 pm

Cammo101 wrote:The best camp right now is Jackson's. ATT and Xtreme Couture are always in the hunt though.

I agree on the top 3, but ATT got some young studs on their team in 2 years they will be dominating the sport like Militich was a few years back.

Post #8 » by **CPT** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:22 pm

I also think Jackson's is the best. I feel like being at that camp makes the fighters better than being at another camp, while some other camps just seem like collections of good fighters.

Blackhouse is one example. Anderson Silva alone almost makes them the top camp, and if Machida wins the LHW belt, would that put them at #1? I would think it gives them the most talented roster, but I don't think it makes them the best camp.

El Hardee · Post #9 » by **El Hardee** » Mon Apr 6, 2009 11:32 pm

Jacksons is a awsome camp, but a majority of their guys were already established before joining, GSP,Loiseua,Marquardt were all fighting big time for years before joining Jacksons. i like the way ATT just comes out of nowhere with these guys.

Post #10 » by **CPT** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:41 am

El Hardee wrote:Jacksons is a awsome camp, but a majority of their guys were already established before joining, GSP,Loiseua,Marquardt were all fighting big time for years before joining Jacksons. i like the way ATT just comes out of nowhere with these guys.

That's a fair point. I just feel like the benefit of training at Jackson's is better than any other camp.

El Hardee · Post #11 » by **El Hardee** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:27 am

CPT wrote:
El Hardee wrote:Jacksons is a awsome camp, but a majority of their guys were already established before joining, GSP,Loiseua,Marquardt were all fighting big time for years before joining Jacksons. i like the way ATT just comes out of nowhere with these guys.

That's a fair point. I just feel like the benefit of training at Jackson's is better than any other camp.

Fair point aswell, look what he did for Rashad Evans, he went from a wrestler to knocking the Iceman out standing, big ups to Jackson for that.

cowboyronnie · Post #12 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:57 am

ATT by a lot

Cammo101 · Post #13 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 4:57 am

Jackson has groomed young talent as well. Look at what he did with Diego, Jardine, Rashad, and Cerrone.

There is just no camp hotter than Jackson's, GSP, Rashad, Jardine, Nate, Cerrone, Carwin, Karo, Loiseau, Villasenor, Huerta, Leonard Garcia...

That is like a who's who.

cowboyronnie · Post #14 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:37 pm

Loiseau, Joey, Karo, Garcia...these are not "hot" fighters at all. Is there anyone colder than Karo and Loiseau? These guys won't be pros 2 years from now.

Rashad is the gem in the Jackson camp. His ridiculous athleticism has definitely been molded amazingly in a short period of time. Marquardt would be second. But GSP? Jackson isn't even his lead trainer, GSP exchanges training partners with the camp.

ATT has like 30-40 MMAers who've fought in the UFC, WEC, Dream, K-1, or EliteXC. It's ridiculous.

El Hardee · Post #15 » by **El Hardee** » Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:38 pm

Not only does GSP train in Canada and Jacksons, but he also trains BJJ in Brazil with Nova Uniao, which was BJ Penns BJJ team when he used to compete.

Post #16 » by **kdawg32086** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:34 am

In a few years, I think its gonna be all about ATT. They've got a ton of guys fighting in top promotions right now and a lot of them are young. They also have a GREAT coaching staff. Places like Jackson's and Miletich are good, but they're run by mostly one guy. ATT has Ricardo Liborio, Howard Davis Jr, Darrell Gholar and a new muay thai trainer from Thailand. Great coaching combined with a large group of top level training partners is gonna make some of those guys scary.

cowboyronnie · Post #17 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:52 am

Yeah, they're not winning every fight right now, but neither was Jackson's camp 2 years ago. They're accumulating awesome trainers and a huge base of active pros.

It seems you hear "fighting out of Coconut Creek, Florida" every other fight.

Nemesis21 · Post #18 » by **Nemesis21** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:48 am

ATT also fights out of Orlando, Florida

Post #19 » by **CPT** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:55 am

ATT certainly has a lot of talent, and they are definitely the deepest team, but the way I look at it, is if I were a fighter, I would want to train at Jackson's.

Can't go wrong with ATT though, and maybe they will look better in a few years when some of their young guys are champs or legit contenders (many are already).

El Hardee · Post #20 » by **El Hardee** » Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:42 pm

Jackson's is a MMA camp, they dont have as CBR said a wide variety of specialist trainers. I actually rolled with a guy who trained for 5 years at Jacksons after I was only training for a about a year, the dude was very strong, athletic and in good shape, but his technique was all over the place very sloppy and wild. Nothing he did was clean, he tried to muscle or use athletic ability to get the advantage. Needless to say he was owned by our gym and said himself that because of our Gi training and attention to detail, he wasnt use to guys "keeping everything tight" and "staying heavy". It really made him think he should gi train, and focus on basic BJJ aswell as MMA BJJ. Not knocking Jacksons but just a stating what I've seen.