Firepower: Manny Pacquiao Defeats Miguel Cotto TKO12

Moderator: lilfishi22

How will Pacquiao-Cotto end?

Poll ended at Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:15 pm

Pacquiao by Stoppage
21
84%
Cotto by Stoppage
3
12%
Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision
0
No votes
Cotto by Unanimous Decision
0
No votes
Pacquiao by Split Decision
0
No votes
Cotto by Split Decision
1
4%
Draw
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 25

User avatar
Rich Rane
Senior Mod - Nets
Senior Mod - Nets
Posts: 36,946
And1: 15,613
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
       

Firepower: Manny Pacquiao Defeats Miguel Cotto TKO12 

Post#1 » by Rich Rane » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:11 pm

Presented to us by Bob Arum's Top Rank Promotions:

FIREPOWER
MIGUEL COTTO VS MANNY PACQUIAO
Image

Date: November 14, 2009
Location: MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada
Titles On The Line: Miguel Cotto's WBO Welterweight Championship, inaugural WBC Diamond Belt
Maximum Weight: 145
Provider: HBO PPV (US)

Main Event:
Miguel Cotto (c)
Image
Record: 34 (KO 27)-1-0
Fight Night Age: 29
Weight: 145
Height: 5'7
Reach: 67"
Stance: Orthodox
Last Fight: Joshua Clottey W SD12
Notable Wins: Shane Mosley UD12; Zab Judah TKO11; Carlos Quintana RTD5; Paul Malignaggi UD12
Notable Loss: Antonio Margarito TKO11
Trainer: Joe Santiago
Other Notes: Currently ranked Number 8 on The Ring's Pound-for-Pound list, former WBO Light Welterweight Champion, former WBA Welterweight Champion, current WBO Welterweight Champion, making second defense of WBO Welterweight Champion, will drop to 145 for fight (officially weighed 146 in last fight), has fought 8 straight times in max welterweight of 147

Manny Pacquiao
Image
Record: 49 (KO 37)-3-2
Fight Night Age: 30
Weight: 144
Height: 5'6
Reach: 67"
Stance: Southpaw
Last Fight: Ricky Hatton W KO2
Notable Wins: Oscar De La Hoya RTD8; Juan Manuel Marquez SD12; Marco Antonio Barrera UD12 & TKO11; Erik Morales KO3 & TKO10
Notable Loss: Erik Morales UD12
Trainer: Freddie Roach
Other Notes: Currently ranked Number 1 on The Ring's Pound-for-Pound list, former WBC Flyweight Champion, former Flyweight lineal champion, former IBF Super Bantamweight Champion, former The Ring Featherweight Champion, former WBC Super Featherweight Champion, former The Ring Junior Lightweight Champion, former WBC Lightweight Champion, current The Ring Junior Welterweight Champion, fighting for record 7th division belt, will move up to 145 for fight (officially weighed 138 in last fight), will be making second trip to welterweight division

Judges' Final Tallies:
Adalaide Byrd
At the time of stoppage, scored the bout 109-99 Pacquiao

Duane Ford
At the time of stoppage, scored the bout 108-99 Pacquiao

Dave Moretti
At the time of stoppage, scored the bout 108-100 Pacquiao

Undercard:
Televised:
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. d Troy Rowland UD10
Yuri Foreman d Daniel Santos UD12 to become the new WBA Light Middleweight Champion
Alfonso Gomez d Jesus Soto Karass TD6
Not Televised:
Richie Mepranum d Ernie Marquez SD6
Matt Korobov d James Winchester UD6
Abner Cotto d Luis Guzman UD6
Eden Sonsona d Eilon Kedem TKO2
Rodrigo Garcia d Martin Viera UD4
KNICKS1970
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,361
And1: 21
Joined: Jun 20, 2002

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#2 » by KNICKS1970 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:49 pm

At first glance, Cotto seems like the naturally bigger guy, the bigger puncher, and the more comfortable boxer at the higher weight. But this isn't the Miguel Cotto who was a terminator in 2005-2007. The jarring thing to me about the fight against Clottey was how tentative Cotto looked, aside from that big round 6 when Clottey took the round off. He hasn't been the same since Margarito plastered him last year.

My prediction: Manny dominates the fight and stops him within 7. I don't think Team Roach takes this fight, putting a potentially gargantuan Mayweather fight in jeopardy, unless he thinks he can come up with a strategy to not only win the fight, but make Manny look like an all-time-great in the process. Speed kills, and speed/power/skill destroys. Cotto is in for a rough night on 11/14.
User avatar
Nemesis21
RealGM
Posts: 39,226
And1: 6,614
Joined: Feb 11, 2006
Location: Free Nemesis21
         

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#3 » by Nemesis21 » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:38 pm

I got Manny in this one, stops Cotto within 9. I had Clottey with the win vs Cotto.
Blame Rasho
On Leave
Posts: 42,086
And1: 9,768
Joined: Apr 25, 2002

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#4 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:58 pm

It is the best fight that can be made outside of a Mayweather/Pacman fight.

You got to give both Manny and Cotto props... they never ducked anybody...

Going with Manny with the close UD.
Bulltalk
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 37,842
And1: 9,277
Joined: Jun 25, 2002
Location: Seattle Area
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#5 » by Bulltalk » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:19 am

This is good. This will get me interested. I wonder if Cotto will be right in the head for this fight? That will make all the difference as to how good of a fight it will be. At least to me.
"I'm a truth teller. All I do is tell the truth."

(Donald Trump - 8/11/16)
User avatar
Yangsing
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,361
And1: 0
Joined: Mar 28, 2007

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#6 » by Yangsing » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:43 am

Both good punchers....whoever's jaw is more vulnerable is the deciding factor imo
User avatar
Ong_dynasty
Head Coach
Posts: 6,386
And1: 355
Joined: May 28, 2003
Location: London
         

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#7 » by Ong_dynasty » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:22 pm

Good fight..
anybody know what the pay cut is between the 2?
User avatar
durden_tyler
RealGM
Posts: 21,461
And1: 10,701
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Location: 537 Paper Street, Bradford
   

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#8 » by durden_tyler » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:06 pm

Not too sure about the purse split yet...

But...

Bryant on Pacman: 'I love him'
By Lawrence Casiraya
INQUIRER.net


MANILA, Philippines – Los Angeles Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant expressed admiration and respect for Manny Pacquiao and vows to support the local boxing icon in his next fight.

Bryant and Pacquiao appear together in an upcoming commercial for Nike. Both are endorsers of the brand.

"I love him. I enjoy being with people that are as competitive. You can tell that just by watching him," said Bryant, who is making his third visit to Manila.

"Next fight, I will be there," he added, referring to Pacquiao's upcoming fight with Miguel Cotto.

I enjoy being w people that are as competitive. You can tell that just by watching him," said Bryant, who is making his third visit to Manila.
Bryant is in country as part of six-city Asian tour sponsored by Nike.


Hey, that's a big piece of the pie with regards to celebrity fans :D
If there is no basketball in heaven, i am not going.
User avatar
Rich Rane
Senior Mod - Nets
Senior Mod - Nets
Posts: 36,946
And1: 15,613
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#9 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:20 pm

No way Pacquiao agreed to fight Cotto without getting the bigger share, which is what Yahoo and the LA Times are reporting. At 145, I wouldn't be surprised at something like 60-40 since he only got 52-48 for six minutes of work against Hatton.
User avatar
Rich Rane
Senior Mod - Nets
Senior Mod - Nets
Posts: 36,946
And1: 15,613
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#10 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:43 pm

Cotto's got a very bad habit of taking breaks during rounds, sometimes giving a bunch of them away in fights and this isn't just the Clottey fight with the cut. Pacquiao's going to beat him to the punch all night and keep the pressure on the entire fight when Cotto decides to take his breaks, which is something Cotto didn't deal with against Mosley and Clottey and something I feel Cotto won't be able to handle with his stamina and endurance issues. Cotto can't wait for Pacquiao to tire out like Mosley and Clottey did because let's face it...Pacquiao comes into the ring ready to fight the old fashioned 15. Cotto will get his shots, but Pac's ring awareness shined during his De La Hoya bout with those straight left-sidesteps. He also showed he knew how to control the ring during those later rounds and also that he couldn't be bullied in his last two fights. He also just keeps improving in every single fight, mainly due to that right coming along.

Pacquiao by late mid-late rounds stoppage, leaning more to TKO. I also said Pacquiao would win by SD against De La Hoya and KO mid-late rounds against Hatton.
User avatar
durden_tyler
RealGM
Posts: 21,461
And1: 10,701
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Location: 537 Paper Street, Bradford
   

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#11 » by durden_tyler » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:12 pm

This link http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=21140 says Pacquiao could get as high as 65-35. Deservingly so. :)
If there is no basketball in heaven, i am not going.
no_way_jose
Banned User
Posts: 137
And1: 0
Joined: Jul 13, 2009

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#12 » by no_way_jose » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:37 pm

I think I might be the only one on this board thats pulling for Cotto lol. Anyways I think if Cotto can keep hitting Manny with his powerful body shots, he should have a real good chance of winning. I don't think Manny has boxed anyone as strong as Cotto, so that should be an advantage for Cotto. And since everyone else is making predictions, I'm going to say Cotto knocks out Manny in the 9th round.
User avatar
Rich Rane
Senior Mod - Nets
Senior Mod - Nets
Posts: 36,946
And1: 15,613
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#13 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:22 pm

no_way_jose wrote:I think I might be the only one on this board thats pulling for Cotto lol. Anyways I think if Cotto can keep hitting Manny with his powerful body shots, he should have a real good chance of winning. I don't think Manny has boxed anyone as strong as Cotto, so that should be an advantage for Cotto. And since everyone else is making predictions, I'm going to say Cotto knocks out Manny in the 9th round.


Power thrills, but speed kills...and Pacquiao's not short in any of those aspects.
b0na f1de
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,758
And1: 20
Joined: Aug 14, 2003
Location: second base

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#14 » by b0na f1de » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:31 pm

does anybody know what's going on with the 2010 philippine election? is this really going to be pac's last fight, or is there a good chance he won't be voted in?
KNICKS1970
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,361
And1: 21
Joined: Jun 20, 2002

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#15 » by KNICKS1970 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:39 pm

b0na f1de wrote:does anybody know what's going on with the 2010 philippine election? is this really going to be pac's last fight, or is there a good chance he won't be voted in?


I don't think Pacquiao has a legitimate shot at winning an election until he's old and clearly can't fight anymore. The last time he ran, his opponent basically said "If Pacquiao wins, he won't fight anymore" and thats why he lost.
Dry_Fish
RealGM
Posts: 44,073
And1: 8,398
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
Location: San Tan, AZ
Contact:

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#16 » by Dry_Fish » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:29 pm

damn - that's pretty good of his oppenent
GS Warriors 1
General Manager
Posts: 8,511
And1: 480
Joined: May 23, 2004
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#17 » by GS Warriors 1 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:38 am

Pacqiuao KO's Cotto in the 8th round.
User avatar
durden_tyler
RealGM
Posts: 21,461
And1: 10,701
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Location: 537 Paper Street, Bradford
   

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#18 » by durden_tyler » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:26 am

KNICKS1970 wrote:
b0na f1de wrote:does anybody know what's going on with the 2010 philippine election? is this really going to be pac's last fight, or is there a good chance he won't be voted in?


I don't think Pacquiao has a legitimate shot at winning an election until he's old and clearly can't fight anymore. The last time he ran, his opponent basically said "If Pacquiao wins, he won't fight anymore" and thats why he lost.


The fear is... Pacquiao has a VERY GOOD CHANCE of being voted in. Let's just say he moved to a weaker division compared to last time when he got beat... He's a candidate in a lesser known province (Saranggani i think that's a neighboring town of General Santos, where he lost) against a lesser known opponent. We really feel he will win this time...

BUT, he isn't retiring. For all the talk that he's very serious in helping people he also can't deny the fact that a fight or two will net him record money (one possibly vs. Mayweather) and he will go back to the ring for this. Just a little time off probably because of the election but come late 2010 he will go back to his career.
If there is no basketball in heaven, i am not going.
User avatar
durden_tyler
RealGM
Posts: 21,461
And1: 10,701
Joined: Jun 04, 2003
Location: 537 Paper Street, Bradford
   

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#19 » by durden_tyler » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:47 am

Dry_Fish wrote:damn - that's pretty good of his oppenent


Pretty good of his opponent indeed. And it's a she:

Image

Image

For the record, that was the toughest fight for the Pacman! It was a rude awakening and by analogy, i thought he lost in the 3rd or 4th rounds of that championship bout! :D
If there is no basketball in heaven, i am not going.
User avatar
Rich Rane
Senior Mod - Nets
Senior Mod - Nets
Posts: 36,946
And1: 15,613
Joined: Jun 29, 2005
       

Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto On November 14 

Post#20 » by Rich Rane » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 am

Cotto doesn't want to put WBO Title on the line:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Boxin ... t-Pacquaio

This could be a huge roadblock. Pacquiao wants to fight for the record 7th title in a 7th division. If Cotto doesn't want to put this on the line, Pacquiao could go after Mosley's WBA Title (Though I think they have like three champions in the welterweight division right now). If it's sanctioning fees Cotto doesn't want to pay, he should ask Arum to pay for it. I think Pacquiao wouldn't mind paying for it either. The WBO could also strip him of his title anyway since Pacquiao is the number 1 contender and make both of them fight for a vacant title (Holy crap, I'm actually referring to a major sanctioning body's contenders list).

Return to Boxing & Mixed Martial Arts