Cammo's MMA Rankings

[Cammo101]

8/10/09


Heavyweight (265 lbs.)

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Josh Barnett
4. Frank Mir
5. Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira
6. Randy Couture
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Shane Carwin
9. Andrei Arlovski
10. Fabricio Werdum
11. Ben Rothwell
12. Gabriel Gonzaga
13. Jeff Monson
14. Brett Rodgers
15. Cain Velasquez
16. Mirko Cro Cop
17. Junior dos Santos
18. Tim Sylvia
19. Paul Buentello
20. Aleksander Emelianenko
21. Cheick Kongo
22. Gilbert Yvel
23. Antonio Silva
24. Roy Nelson
25. Sergei Kharitonov


Light Heavyweight (205 lbs.)

1. Lyoto Machida
2. Quentin Jackson
3. Rashad Evans
4. Anderson Silva
5. Dan Henderson
6. Rich Franklin
7. Forrest Griffin
8. Mauricio Rua
9. Thiago Silva
10. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
11. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
12. Luis Cane
13. Keith Jardine
14. Chuck Liddell
15. Tito Ortiz
16. Matt Hamill
17. Jon Jones
18. Vladimir Matyushenko
19. Wanderlei Silva
20. Brandon Vera
21. Trevor Prangley
22. Mike Whitehead
23. Jason Brilz
24. Mark Coleman
25. Muhammed Lawal


Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Nate Marquart
4. Yushin Okami
5. Gegard Mousasi
6. Robbie Lawler
7. Vitor Belfort
8. Jorge Santiago
9. Yoshihiro Akiyama
10. Demian Maia
11. Matt Lindland
12. Michael Bisping
13. Chael Sonnen
14. Paulo Filho
15. Ricardo Almeida
16. Kazuo Misaki
17. Patrick Cote
18. Hector Lombard
19. Thales Leites
20. Cung Le
21. Alan Belcher
22. Denis Kang
23. Rousimar Palhares
24. Wilson Gouveia
25. Scott Smith


Welterweight (170 lbs.)

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jake Shields
3. Jon Fitch
4. Thiago Alves
5. Mike Swick
6. Josh Koscheck
7. Matt Hughes
8. Nick Diaz
9. Carlos Condit
10. Martin Kampmann
11. Dan Hardy
12. Karo Parisyan
13. Matt Serra
14. Anthony Johnson
15. Jay Hieron
16. Frank Trigg
17. Marius Zaromskis
18. Marcus Davis
19. Lyman Good
20. Paulo Thiago
21. Dustin Hazelett
22. Brock Larson
23. Hayato Sakurai
24. Dong Hyun Kim
25. Dan Hornbuckle


Lightweight (155 lbs.)

1. BJ Penn
2. Shinya Aoki
3. Kenny Florian
4. Eddie Alvarez
5. Joachim Hansen
6. Josh Thomson
7. Tatsuya Kawajiri
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Sean Sherk
10. Frank Edgar
11. JZ Cavalcante
12. Tyson Griffin
13. Gilbert Melendez
14. Eiji Mitsuoka
15. Mizuto Hirota
16. Gray Maynard
17. Mitsuhiro Ishida
18. Takanori Gomi
19. Satoru Kitaoka
20. Vitor Ribeiro
21. Spencer Fisher
22. Joe Stevenson
23. Clay Guida
24. Jamie Varner
25. Antonio McKee


Featherweight (145 lbs.)

1. Mike Thomas Brown
2. Hatsu Hioki
3. Urijah Faber
4. Wagnney Fabiano
5. Jose Aldo
6. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
7. Takeshi Inoue
8. Akitoshi Tamura
9. Leonard Garcia
10. Yuji Hoshino
11. Josh Grispi
12. Dokonjonosuke Mishima
13. Rafael Assuncao
14. Joe Warren
15. Marlon Sandro
16. Mark Hominick
17. Daiki Hata
18. Joe Soto
19. Masakazu Imanari
20. Masanori Kanehara
21. Hiroyuki Takaya
22. LC Davis
23. Jens Pulver
24. Wilson Reis
25. Jameel Massouh


Bantamweight (135 lbs.)

1. Brian Bowles
2. Miguel Angel Torres
3. Takeya Mizugaki
4. Masakatsu Ueda
5. Dominic Cruz
6. Koetsu Okazaki
7. Rani Yahya
8. Atsushi Yamamoto
9. Joseph Benavidez
10. Manny Tapia
11. Abel Cullum
12. Will Ribeiro
13. Yoshiro Maeda
14. Antonio Banuelos
15. Chase Beebe
16. Damacio Page
17. Jeff Curran
18. Eduardo Dantas
19. Charlie Valencia
20. Jeff Bedard
21. Scott Jorgensen
22. Kenji Osawa
23. Mike Easton
24. Jared McMahan
25. Travis Marx


Women (All weights)

1. Tara Larosa
2. Megumi Fujii
3. Gina Carano
4. Yuka Tsuji
5. Takayo Hashi
6. Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos
7. Miku Matsumoto
8. Rosi Sexton
9. Erin Toughill
10. Sarah Kaufman
11. Roxanne Modafferi
12. Yasuko Tamada
13. Kelly Kobold
14. Rin Nakai
15. Tonya Evinger


Pound for Pound

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Dan Henderson
8. Brian Bowles
9. Miguel Angel Torres
10. Jake Shields
11. Jon Fitch
12. Quentin Jackson
13. Rashad Evans
14. Thiago Alves
15. Urijah Faber
16. Shinya Aoki
17. Kenny Florian
18. Hatsu Hioki
19. Brock Lesnar
20. Josh Barnett
21. Rich Franklin
22. Eddie Alvarez
23. Joachim Hansen
24. Nate Marquart
25. Forrest Griffin



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[Nemesis21]

Wouldn't Florian drop from 3rd in 155 division after subm. loss to champ Penn ? Also Diego is probably number 1 contender at 155 and most likely next to challenge BJ. Diego is too low at 8th on 155 list.

[Hilltop]

I hate the guy, but I'd definitely bump up Sanchez a few notches.

[CPT]

HW:
No major beefs. I think Arlovski should be lower after losing 2 in a row, but I still think he's a top guy, so I understand having him rated highly.

LHW, MW, WW are pretty good.

LW is a mess, but it's probably the toughest division to rank because of the talent split between the UFC and everywhere else, with little interaction between the two worlds. I agree with the other posters that Diego Sanchez needs to be higher. The guy I would sacrifice is Josh Thomson. IMO he should be way down there, like around 15. He's a good fighter and he was on a good streak, but he hasn't fought in like a year, and his level of competition hasn't been great. Antonio McKee seems kind of random. I'd put a guy like Jim Miller or even Pellegrino on there before considering him.

FW, BW, and Womens' lists look fine to me. Those ones are hard to do because of exposure.

P4P is pretty reasonable. After about the top 5-10 I don't really care though. Not really sure how you make those calls.

[Cammo101]

Diego is a tough nut to crack, because he only has 2 fights at 155. I take what they do in other weight classes into consideration somewhat, but there are so many good guys at 155, that it is hard for me to leap Diego over them. Especially considering he beat no elite guys at 170. Diego will have his shot to prove he should be bumped.

[Deelow_23]

Rankings look good. Nobody is ever going to get MMA rankings perfect.

[The Flying Gent]

Good Lists.

Personally, concerning P4P, i think a 1a 1b 1c system should be implemented until one of them loses. A very strong case could be made for anyone of the top 3, and they are generally leapfrogging each other depending on which one of them has most recently fought.

[Cammo101]

Good Lists.

Personally, concerning P4P, i think a 1a 1b 1c system should be implemented until one of them loses. A very strong case could be made for anyone of the top 3, and they are generally leapfrogging each other depending on which one of them has most recently fought.

The top 3 are very close, but IMO Silva is pretty clearly the top guy. People just do not go 10-0 in the UFC fighting that level of fighter. GSP has'nt and IMO Fedor wouldn't either. Silva has beaten 10 good opponents. He got no first timers and no walk overs. If Leben or Cote are the easiest fight you get out of the 10, then you are the P4P king.

[Smoove]

No way! Fedor should be number one pound for pound.

[Cammo101]

No way! Fedor should be number one pound for pound.

Why?

[Deelow_23]

No way! Fedor should be number one pound for pound.

Are you serious?

[pugilistfan]

Rankings will never be perfect.

But how in the world does Florian get #3 in the rankings? You can legitimately make an argument that hes never beaten a top 10 LW.

Its hard to rank some of these guys though because MMA is so fragmented. You got guys in the UFC, Strikeforce, Dream who never fight each other.

Shields shouldnt be the #2 WW, I think that should be Fitch. Alves I would place 3rd and Shields 4th.

Henderson is probably a little too high. Even though he likely is the best MW outside of Anderson, he doesnt have the wins there to justify him at #2. Okami, Marquardt should be higher, Lawler should be lower.

Overall, solid rankings though.

[Cammo101]

8/15/09


Heavyweight (265 lbs.)

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Josh Barnett
4. Frank Mir
5. Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira
6. Randy Couture
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Shane Carwin
9. Andrei Arlovski
10. Fabricio Werdum
11. Ben Rothwell
12. Gabriel Gonzaga
13. Jeff Monson
14. Brett Rodgers
15. Cain Velasquez
16. Mirko Cro Cop
17. Junior dos Santos
18. Tim Sylvia
19. Paul Buentello
20. Aleksander Emelianenko
21. Cheick Kongo
22. Gilbert Yvel
23. Antonio Silva
24. Roy Nelson
25. Sergei Kharitonov


Light Heavyweight (205 lbs.)

1. Lyoto Machida
2. Quentin Jackson
3. Rashad Evans
4. Anderson Silva
5. Dan Henderson
6. Rich Franklin
7. Forrest Griffin
8. Mauricio Rua
9. Gegard Mousasi
10. Thiago Silva
11. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
12. Luis Cane
13. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
14. Keith Jardine
15. Chuck Liddell
16. Tito Ortiz
17. Matt Hamill
18. Jon Jones
19. Vladimir Matyushenko
20. Wanderlei Silva
21. Brandon Vera
22. Trevor Prangley
23. Mike Whitehead
24. Jason Brilz
25. Muhammed Lawal


Middleweight (185 lbs.)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Gegard Mousasi
4. Nate Marquart
5. Yushin Okami
6. Vitor Belfort
7. Jorge Santiago
8. Robbie Lawler
9. Yoshihiro Akiyama
10. Demian Maia
11. Matt Lindland
12. Michael Bisping
13. Chael Sonnen
14. Paulo Filho
15. Ricardo Almeida
16. Kazuo Misaki
17. Patrick Cote
18. Hector Lombard
19. Thales Leites
20. Cung Le
21. Alan Belcher
22. Denis Kang
23. Rousimar Palhares
24. Wilson Gouveia
25. Scott Smith


Welterweight (170 lbs.)

1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Jake Shields
3. Jon Fitch
4. Thiago Alves
5. Mike Swick
6. Josh Koscheck
7. Matt Hughes
8. Nick Diaz
9. Carlos Condit
10. Martin Kampmann
11. Dan Hardy
12. Karo Parisyan
13. Matt Serra
14. Jay Hieron
15. Anthony Johnson
16. Frank Trigg
17. Marius Zaromskis
18. Marcus Davis
19. Lyman Good
20. Paulo Thiago
21. Dustin Hazelett
22. Brock Larson
23. Hayato Sakurai
24. Dong Hyun Kim
25. Dan Hornbuckle


Lightweight (155 lbs.)

1. BJ Penn
2. Shinya Aoki
3. Kenny Florian
4. Eddie Alvarez
5. Joachim Hansen
6. Josh Thomson
7. Tatsuya Kawajiri
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Sean Sherk
10. Frank Edgar
11. Gilbert Melendez
12. Eiji Mitsuoka
13. Mizuto Hirota
14. JZ Cavalcante
15. Tyson Griffin
16. Gray Maynard
17. Takanori Gomi
18. Satoru Kitaoka
19. Vitor Ribeiro
20. Mitsuhiro Ishida
21. Spencer Fisher
22. Joe Stevenson
23. Clay Guida
24. Jamie Varner
25. Antonio McKee


Featherweight (145 lbs.)

1. Mike Thomas Brown
2. Hatsu Hioki
3. Urijah Faber
4. Wagnney Fabiano
5. Jose Aldo
6. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
7. Takeshi Inoue
8. Akitoshi Tamura
9. Leonard Garcia
10. Yuji Hoshino
11. Josh Grispi
12. Dokonjonosuke Mishima
13. Rafael Assuncao
14. Joe Warren
15. Marlon Sandro
16. Mark Hominick
17. Daiki Hata
18. Joe Soto
19. Masakazu Imanari
20. Masanori Kanehara
21. Hiroyuki Takaya
22. LC Davis
23. Jens Pulver
24. Wilson Reis
25. Jameel Massouh


Bantamweight (135 lbs.)

1. Brian Bowles
2. Miguel Angel Torres
3. Takeya Mizugaki
4. Masakatsu Ueda
5. Dominic Cruz
6. Koetsu Okazaki
7. Rani Yahya
8. Atsushi Yamamoto
9. Joseph Benavidez
10. Manny Tapia
11. Abel Cullum
12. Will Ribeiro
13. Yoshiro Maeda
14. Antonio Banuelos
15. Chase Beebe
16. Damacio Page
17. Jeff Curran
18. Eduardo Dantas
19. Charlie Valencia
20. Jeff Bedard
21. Scott Jorgensen
22. Kenji Osawa
23. Mike Easton
24. Jared McMahan
25. Travis Marx


Women (All weights)

1. Tara LaRosa
2. Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos
3. Megumi Fujii
4. Yuka Tsuji
5. Gina Carano
6. Takayo Hashi
7. Miku Matsumoto
8. Rosi Sexton
9. Erin Toughill
10. Sarah Kaufman
11. Roxanne Modafferi
12. Yasuko Tamada
13. Kelly Kobold
14. Rin Nakai
15. Tonya Evinger


Pound for Pound

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Mike Thomas Brown
7. Dan Henderson
8. Brian Bowles
9. Miguel Angel Torres
10. Jake Shields
11. Jon Fitch
12. Quentin Jackson
13. Rashad Evans
14. Thiago Alves
15. Urijah Faber
16. Shinya Aoki
17. Brock Lesnar
18. Gegard Mousasi
19. Kenny Florian
20. Hatsu Hioki
21. Josh Barnett
22. Rich Franklin
23. Eddie Alvarez
24. Joachim Hansen
25. Nate Marquart



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[damo[23]]

Some interesting movement there after last night.

Looking at the women's rankings its really important that they get some face time for the others and promote them quickly and effectively - there are some great fights there that right now just wouldn't have the same drawing power, despite, arguably, being the better fights than what we saw last night.

[CPT]

Like I said in the other thread, it's a real shame that Mousasi didn't end up in the UFC (possibly because of some M-1 shadyness). Looking at the list, there's literally one guy outside of the UFC in the top 20 that he hasn't already beaten.

At LW, I still think Thomson is too high at #6 (though he is helped by holding a recent win over a guy who looked great), but I'd have Melendez even higher after last night. Very impressive performance. I mean, Thomson still kind of has to be ahead of him because he beat him pretty recently, but I'd put them 8/9 or 9/10 in that case. Also agree that Florian should be lower. The highest he really could have been before the BJ fight is #3, so he doesn't drop at all with the loss?

Also, the women...I don't know much about women outside of the Strikeforce/EliteXC fights, some Megumi Fugi vids, and the general idea that Tara LaRosa is awesome. Even if there aren't enough women to justify rankings in seperate weight classes, it would be good to know their weight classes, just so we know which ones could conceivably fight each other, and who should be compared with whom. For what it's worth, if it's P4P, I think Mega Megu should be #1; she's tiny. If it's open weight, then Cyborg should be #1, and Gina probably really was #2.

[Cammo101]

Like I said in the other thread, it's a real shame that Mousasi didn't end up in the UFC (possibly because of some M-1 shadyness). Looking at the list, there's literally one guy outside of the UFC in the top 20 that he hasn't already beaten.

At LW, I still think Thomson is too high at #6 (though he is helped by holding a recent win over a guy who looked great), but I'd have Melendez even higher after last night. Very impressive performance. I mean, Thomson still kind of has to be ahead of him because he beat him pretty recently, but I'd put them 8/9 or 9/10 in that case. Also agree that Florian should be lower. The highest he really could have been before the BJ fight is #3, so he doesn't drop at all with the loss?

Also, the women...I don't know much about women outside of the Strikeforce/EliteXC fights, some Megumi Fugi vids, and the general idea that Tara LaRosa is awesome. Even if there aren't enough women to justify rankings in seperate weight classes, it would be good to know their weight classes, just so we know which ones could conceivably fight each other, and who should be compared with whom. For what it's worth, if it's P4P, I think Mega Megu should be #1; she's tiny. If it's open weight, then Cyborg should be #1, and Gina probably really was #2.

The female rankings are pretty much done as a P4P for the women. There are no real weight classes in female MMA, so it is hard to break them up. Maybe if the females stay in the limelight, I may break it down to a top 10 under 135 and a top 10 over 135.

[SpReEfOrAlL]

I personally think Diego is way too high.

What has he done to be as head of Sherk, Edgar, and Melendez? His only LW wins are ones over your #22 and 23 on your list.

[CPT]

I personally think Diego is way too high.

What has he done to be as head of Sherk, Edgar, and Melendez? His only LW wins are ones over your #22 and 23 on your list.

That's why rankings (LW especially) are so tough.

Apply the same logic to Florian. I think he only has one win against a top 25 guy. Which actually makes him 1-2 against the list. And he's #3.

Besides, you have to give some credit for what a fighter has done in other weight classes. It's up to you how much, but to ignore the fact that Diego was top 10 at WW (probably around 5-7 on most lists) would just be dumb. Even his win over Florian at 185 way back on the TUF 1 finale should count for something....maybe not a lot, but something. You have to take that stuff into consideration, especially when moving down in weight, where guys usually perform better. He also has no losses to anyone at LW.

I know in general they are looked down upon, but this is why I kind of like computer based rankings.

[Cammo101]

I personally think Diego is way too high.

What has he done to be as head of Sherk, Edgar, and Melendez? His only LW wins are ones over your #22 and 23 on your list.

That's why rankings (LW especially) are so tough.

Apply the same logic to Florian. I think he only has one win against a top 25 guy. Which actually makes him 1-2 against the list. And he's #3.

Besides, you have to give some credit for what a fighter has done in other weight classes. It's up to you how much, but to ignore the fact that Diego was top 10 at WW (probably around 5-7 on most lists) would just be dumb. Even his win over Florian at 185 way back on the TUF 1 finale should count for something....maybe not a lot, but something. You have to take that stuff into consideration, especially when moving down in weight, where guys usually perform better. He also has no losses to anyone at LW.

I know in general they are looked down upon, but this is why I kind of like computer based rankings.

This pretty much sums it up. It is tricky, because you have to give some consideration to what they do in other classes, but not too much. You just kind of have to do it by feel.

For example, Mousasi is now in the top 10 at LHW despite only having one fight there so far. It is not just Diego.

[damo[23]]

There will always be problems with rankings, its so very subjective by its very nature.

MMA can be especially so, take for example trying to rank people without common fights between them, its just how you gauge performances and what not, throw in that styles can make matchup's - there will always be problems, and no one will ever be happy.

Just look at basketball for example, despite having an 82 game per team league table, and then a multiple game elimination tournament at the end of all that, people still debate to the very end's of the earth who the best teams are.

At the very least, these rankings give great discussion points to what you might think.