WrestleMannia XXVIII

[skbucks1985]

One other thing, I can talk about Rhodes and Ziggler getting pushes and they absolutely deserve to. Having said that, the number one money feud in the WWE is still Punk-Cena. It didn't have a proper finish last time and these are now the top stars in WWE. Yeah, they're both faces but that's where the similarities end. And the fact that since last Summerslam the two of them have been largely kept apart I hope is an indication that it'll happen again soon. As Punk said in an interview a couple months ago Cena-Punk is WWE's Superman-Batman.

[pduh01]

I'm wondering what you guys think of the finish of Rock-Cena. Try to separate this from who you were cheering for and whether or not you were pleased with the outcome. Just the finish itself and how it was booked.

I liked it because as I've said a few times if Rock was going to win this match, it'll likely be a 3-match series but even more than that this should be a catalyst for John Cena story lines going forward. If this had been a conventional finish, Cena goes for the AA Rock gets out of it and hits the Rock bottom, I don't think there would've been a lot you could with Cena out of that unless you just did an immediate heel turn. But now because Cena, as it should be in his mind for this story, lost the match because his desire to embarrass Rock for a second outweighed his desire to win the match. He now has soul-searching he has to do and there's many different ways you can take this match.

I have no complaint with the ending, I think the ending is perfectly if and most likely it will be a three match series.

I just come up with something...

Do you remember after the HBK/Bret Hart match at WM12 they have a storyline which Bret Hart not showing up on television for quite a while and may retire which then months later Bret Hart make his return, and if I remember correctly they have StoneCold calling out Bret Hart which then Hart make a comeback which start a match at Survivor Series that year.

I think they could do that storyline with John Cena which he was so disappointed loss the biggest match of his career against The Rock at the biggest stage, could have him leave an absence. Not appear on television for the next few months then later have someone call out Cena and start feuding which lead a match one of the big pay per views like SummerSlam, or Survivor Series.

I know its pretty much way similar to the Bret Hart storyline but could do something similar with Cena in that storyline. Hell maybe could help turn Cena heel maybe something like Rock show tonight on RAW call out Cena and he tell Cena he earn his respect which he never haves for Cena, and wouldn't mind giving Cena a rematch for next year Wrestlemania. Cena could just leave out of blue and haven't been heard ever since.

When come back maybe a new attitude of Cena, or something like that just throwing some idea.

[whysoserious]

When it comes to Rhodes and Ziggler both, you can tell they are on the cusp right now even being very special in the main event. I just wouldn't rush it too much just yet. Because you see what happened with Miz and Sheamus (a few years ago).

I think Rhodes has been awesome on the mic and in the ring for some time. Ziggler is amazing in the ring and his mic work is up there too.

For Rhodes, I don't think this should be the end of his run with Big Show just yet. I think he should come out pissed that he lost the title and go back after it for at the very least the next ppv.

Ziggler needs a good feud, I think he needs to drop Vickie. He's doing everything he can but they are not giving him any legit feuds and haven't for some time. He's just stuck in that stable with Swagger and he needs to distance himself. That or that stable needs to become more prominent in storylines with Ziggler being the leader.

[Celtics_Champs]

They didn't rush miz at all.

Sheamus for sure though. Wayyy too fast on his first title reign.

[Celtsfan1980]

I try to defend Vince, but I just can't do it anymore. Bryan-Regal, Bryan-Kaval, Bryan-Punk, and Punk-Kaval are four potentially very good matches they could have had if Vince cared about putting up some great wrestling matches. Obviously he doesn't, but there are many fans who spend the big dollars on Pay-Per-Views who care about great wrestling. Your best wrestler gets 20 seconds in 2 Wrestlemanias. I would imagine Bryan will leave the company, and they will lose some supporters after this. TNA is not competition so Vince feels he can pull off stuff like this. The company would be better off with someone else in charge.

[heatwillbeback]

I try to defend Vince, but I just can't do it anymore. Bryan-Regal, Bryan-Kaval, Bryan-Punk, and Punk-Kaval are four potentially very good matches they could have had if Vince cared about putting up some great wrestling matches. Obviously he doesn't, but there are many fans who spend the big dollars on Pay-Per-Views who care about great wrestling. Your best wrestler gets 20 seconds in 2 Wrestlemanias. I would imagine Bryan will leave the company, and they will lose some supporters after this. TNA is not competition so Vince feels he can pull off stuff like this. The company would be better off with someone else in charge.

I see the point here, but its too much imo. The company is not neglecting Bryan- they had him win MITB and put the title on him with a number of sucuessful defenses. They could do more especially on the biggest stage, but Bryan would be an idiot to go elsewhere

Say what you want, but lately WWE has done well with Indy talent. Punk and Bryan have had meteoric rises through the company.

[skbucks1985]

They didn't rush miz at all.

Sheamus for sure though. Wayyy too fast on his first title reign.

I think the issue with Miz is that he didn't adequately evolve his character and especially his promos when he was no longer dominant. Talking about how great you are and how everyone wants to see you is fine when you're winning Money In The Bank and World Titles and Wrestlemanias. But when you're no longer doing that you have to evolve your character and he didn't do that and when you're talking about how great you are and you're losing matches it makes you look ridiculous.

[3gbrrrfkyt]

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[whysoserious]

They didn't rush miz at all.

Sheamus for sure though. Wayyy too fast on his first title reign.

I like Miz but I feel like he didn't establish himself as main event level prior to, he was solid with the belt and the second he dropped, he's been toiling on the sidelines. He was given a great storyline with Truth
and they broke that up too soon and turned the guy face that should have probably stayed heel and left Miz the heel.

Truth and Miz both got screwed out of that turn. It should have been the other way, a longer feud. Truth was really getting great with the heel and now he's back to exactly what he was before when he was a face.

[2009NBAChamps]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRJalosKGc8[/youtube]

Goosebumps!

[Shemy]

I see Bryan winning the MITB again in all honesty, he is getting a much bigger reaction than he was before he won it and shortly after he cashed it in.....him winning and cashing in now would be much more meaningful and less confusing then it was before

I know people are upset but he was going to lose the belt regardless obviously it was a slap in the face the way he lost it in record time, but he had the belt for nearly 4 months which is remarkable considering how quickly champs seem to change

Cena should be feuding with Punk, I know every1 wants to see Y2J Punk but Cena Punk was the best feud in the past few years it all came down to a screeching halt with HHH/Nash involvement which was pretty big fail

[Celtsfan1980]

I try to defend Vince, but I just can't do it anymore. Bryan-Regal, Bryan-Kaval, Bryan-Punk, and Punk-Kaval are four potentially very good matches they could have had if Vince cared about putting up some great wrestling matches. Obviously he doesn't, but there are many fans who spend the big dollars on Pay-Per-Views who care about great wrestling. Your best wrestler gets 20 seconds in 2 Wrestlemanias. I would imagine Bryan will leave the company, and they will lose some supporters after this. TNA is not competition so Vince feels he can pull off stuff like this. The company would be better off with someone else in charge.

I see the point here, but its too much imo. The company is not neglecting Bryan- they had him win MITB and put the title on him with a number of sucuessful defenses. They could do more especially on the biggest stage, but Bryan would be an idiot to go elsewhere

Say what you want, but lately WWE has done well with Indy talent. Punk and Bryan have had meteoric rises through the company.

In the beginning he wasn't pushed well until he won MITB, then they were putting him on dark matches before the Pay-Per-Views for a while, then they gave him the title. For the time that Bryan has been in there you could argue his talents are being wasted. I thought Ring of Honor did a good job pushing him for the most part, much better than WWE has. I can understand if he wants out.

[RedBulls23]

yea so I just got back from the PPV. I loved it other than the Sheamus/Bryan match. Great atmosphere and set up

going in, I thought Cena would win. The intros changed that. The Cleveland music group, Celtic type entrance the day the Heat lose to the Celts (rather than Rise Above Hate) for Cena, and Flo Rida introducing the Rock in Miami. Usually I think WWE doesnt try to have Cena booed, but here it was so obvious who they wanted the crowd going for. It was going to be a Cena dirty win or clean Rock win all along. Those intros made those the only things possible.

I dunno why the crowd hated MGK so much...Like no idea at all. I don't like MGK, so I probably would have boo'd as well, but I don't like Flo Rida either, so I would have boo'd him too. The crowd didn't even give MGK a chance though. From the moment he was introduced by Diddy (WTF was that, btw?), they boo'd him. Kind of wack on their behalf.

Diddy signed mgk to bad boy records.

[triplet1984]

I enjoyed HHH/Taker, Punk/Jericho, and Rock/Cena, all 3 of them. The rest of the show was nothing.

I think WWE was in a very awkward spot with Rock/Cena. While it makes sense that Cena would beat The Rock since he's the full-time wrestler, the fact is, the audience HATES Cena, and not in a "he's a bad guy" way.

If Cena wins, and the entire Miami crowd vomits on him in a torrent of hate, that's really a genuinely **** ending to this supposed legendary PPV that has so many casual Rock fans watching. If WWE had succeeded in coaxing a near 50/50 reaction they would have gone with Cena but instead I think they just said "F it, let's just make the people happy"

The reaction when Rock won was insane. I read a few live reports that the place erupted in a virtual party, people high-fiving and hugging strangers, just pure jubilation. It was like a massive cathartic release for 6 years of Cena hate.

The actual finish was great. Cena acting like a cocky goof and it costing him. Really good.

[skbucks1985]

Most PPV's end somewhere between 10:40-10:45 ET, this one ended at I think a little after 10:55. I thought in the back of my mind they may be doing this so that Cena could win and they would go off the air almost immediately afterwards so that if the crowd got a little unruly, I don't think anyone would've been stupid enough to jump the rails but I think it's possible that you could see a repeat of Hogan at Bash At The Beach where they began throwing garbage at Cena while he celebrated. If that happened those of us watching wouldn't have seen it.

There's obvious downsides and upsides to each guy winning. By winning Cena gets a major rub (although I don't know if he necessarily needed it), Rock losing may hurt his drawing power moving forward (another point I don't know if necessarily buy). There were 3 convincing arguments for me. The full-timer should beat the special attraction/part-timer/celebrity. I would generally agree with this although WWE seems to feel differently as the latter group has a very high winning percentage. On the flip side, you don't want to send the crowd home unhappy which despite all of WWE's attempts it was a very partisan crowd. Not as much as MITB or ECW One Night Stand, but still a partisan crowd. To me the clincher was the possibilities for the Cena character moving forward. Cena said a few times, I'll be here on April 9th and because of last night he's going to be a more interesting character on April 9th. That doesn't necessarily mean heel turn, but at the very least it will allow for added layers and depth for that character.

[Vandal Savage]

Does losing really hurt Rocks drawing power. He is the Rock, and his next appearance after tonight, will probably be in a long time. And he is the Rock.

[skbucks1985]

I don't think so. But I think the argument goes that if Rock loses it makes it less likely that those who ordered the PPV primarily to see Rock would be less likely to do so in the future if he loses his first singles match. Again, I don't think I buy it, but it exists.

[MAQ]

yea so I just got back from the PPV. I loved it other than the Sheamus/Bryan match. Great atmosphere and set up

going in, I thought Cena would win. The intros changed that. The Cleveland music group, Celtic type entrance the day the Heat lose to the Celts (rather than Rise Above Hate) for Cena, and Flo Rida introducing the Rock in Miami. Usually I think WWE doesnt try to have Cena booed, but here it was so obvious who they wanted the crowd going for. It was going to be a Cena dirty win or clean Rock win all along. Those intros made those the only things possible.

I dunno why the crowd hated MGK so much...Like no idea at all. I don't like MGK, so I probably would have boo'd as well, but I don't like Flo Rida either, so I would have boo'd him too. The crowd didn't even give MGK a chance though. From the moment he was introduced by Diddy (WTF was that, btw?), they boo'd him. Kind of wack on their behalf.

Diddy signed mgk to bad boy records.

Okay, I wasn't aware.

[jigga_man]