Nexus: From Zeroes to Heroes

[Stanford]

Keeping in mind that John Cena doesn't book the matches...

[skbucks1985]

If you're saying that the buck ultimately stops with Vince McMahon, then yes you're correct. But if you don't think he holds sway over the finish of his matches and that the fact that the finish he was pushing for was the one that was used is a coincidence, well let's just say I think you're wrong.

[Stanford]

I'm saying that Edge and Jericho were not referring to the decision to have Nexus lose, but rather the DDT-450 Splash spot to end of the match. The internet is running wild with the idea that Cena is some terrible politician that refuses to put anyone over, and essentially buried Wade Barret single-handedly.

Let's also keep in mind that they were using this story to further illustrate the idea that sometimes wrestlers (including themselves) end up on the wrong side of an issue they were stubborn about. the point wasn't to call out Cena as some horrible person.

[skbucks1985]

I certainly wasn't arguing that Cena is some horrible person. The fact that he acknowledged that he was wrong shows that he's not that guy. But rather that in this instance he had really bad judgement. But, they were definitely talking about the decision to have Nexus lose. This is exactly what was said:

Chris Jericho: "He wanted to get DDT'd on the floor by Barrett, then kick out and beat them both. And you and I were like, that's the dumbest thing. That's just throwing it away for no reason."

Edge: "They should have gone over because they were so hot."

Chris Jericho: "We were fighting for Barrett to go over. And where's Wade Barrett now?"

Edge says they should have gone over and Jericho says they were fighting for Barrett to go over.

[kblo247]

Cena was wrong about the DDT spot, should never have been used

Cena was right about going over. There's a difference between him and edge and especially Jericho, A list and B list. A doesn't get beat to be beat, they protect the losses so going over them means more. And Wade wasn't ready, still isn't as he is still green as **** outside tag matches and street fights. Austin and Hogan don't take a loss their either to rooks at summer mania

[skbucks1985]

I'm not the biggest Wade Barrett fan but clearly people in positions of power at the time were to give him a spot like that. And he isn't green, he's been saddled with on-off pushes and bad gimmicks basically since that match.

It would be one thing if he fell on his face in a big moment but he didn't. He was given this spot and he excelled in it. They build up to this match and they lose and it kills the angle. If they didn't believe in the Nexus, didn't believe in Wade Barrett, don't form the group, don't give him that spot. But they did, and they pulled the rug out from underneath him and the group and it killed the angle.

[kblo247]

I don't think we'd has progressed or even is that great in the ring. Just when he had a feud with Orton not that long ago officials put him in all gimmick matches to make it work. Same thing when he faced Sheamus, street fights or tags. Someone doesn't trust his one on one skills either in the back to have normal 10-15 minute matches in a ring. He's at his best in a brawlingn environment and leading a group

[studcrackers]

Cena was wrong about the DDT spot, should never have been used

Cena was right about going over. There's a difference between him and edge and especially Jericho, A list and B list. A doesn't get beat to be beat, they protect the losses so going over them means more. And Wade wasn't ready, still isn't as he is still green as **** outside tag matches and street fights. Austin and Hogan don't take a loss their either to rooks at summer mania

This logic is so f*cked

[kblo247]

Its real world though. Beating Jericho means nothing because he always jobbed at wrong time to wrong guys. Beating Cena means something. Edge is in the great divide between the two. You don't job your guy to just job him, which is why Austin only lost like 10x in a 3 year period

[WRau1]

Curtis Axel and Tensai have wins over Cena in the past year.

That Nexus v WWE match was one of if the not first PPV I saw after missing pretty much 5 years of wrestling so I can't really comment that much on Nexus. I do find it interesting though that a ton of big named wrestlers love Barrett.

[skbucks1985]

I don't think we'd has progressed or even is that great in the ring. Just when he had a feud with Orton not that long ago officials put him in all gimmick matches to make it work. Same thing when he faced Sheamus, street fights or tags. Someone doesn't trust his one on one skills either in the back to have normal 10-15 minute matches in a ring. He's at his best in a brawlingn environment and leading a group

Like I said I'm not the biggest Barrett fan and I'm not too broken up about him not being elevated in that program. Having said that, if they felt the same way they shouldn't have formed the group and given Barrett that spot.

[skbucks1985]

Curtis Axel and Tensai have wins over Cena in the past year.

That Nexus v WWE match was one of if the not first PPV I saw after missing pretty much 5 years of wrestling so I can't really comment that much on Nexus. I do find it interesting though that a ton of big named wrestlers love Barrett.

And Barrett pinned him in a six-pack challenge match at the next PPV and pinned him at the PPV after that.