Peyton Royce vs. Dave Meltzer

[Dominator83]

Please tell me how you're not talking out of both sides of your mouth considering you previously said "Mentioning his distain for her implants would still garner hate if Peyton went to Twitter and announced she's offended."

All hate isn't equal. Disparaging a person for their weight and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their weight are two different things. I don't know how to put it in a simpler manner for someone that doesn't understand basic ethics.

SJWs is will always be offended by anything that involves a victim, but the rest of society isn't sending threats of violence at someone that criticizes a female athlete/children's role model for getting breast implants in hopes to stand out more to her audience even though it handicaps her actual performance.

It seems like you're trying to make this a lot more involved than it is - especially when you use the example of race - which is a much bigger hot button than both weight and implants.

I think hes just trying to say that criticizing someones Implants isn't the same as criticizing someones weight. Which is true. There are differnet levels. A better example would be that stealing $1 isn't the same level of sin as commiting rape. I think RTC sees it as, Meltzer stole $1 but the public is hanging him high as if he commited rape.

But if Meltzer did really mean her fake boobs and not her weight, then he should've clarified that

[Stanford]

Oh, by the way, we're not going to reduce this conversation to "SJWs" and their opponents. I'll slap a masterlock (wrestling reference) on it if that's what happens.

[RightToCensor]

Please tell me how you're not talking out of both sides of your mouth considering you previously said "Mentioning his distain for her implants would still garner hate if Peyton went to Twitter and announced she's offended."

All hate isn't equal. Disparaging a person for their weight and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their weight are two different things. I don't know how to put it in a simpler manner for someone that doesn't understand basic ethics.

SJWs is will always be offended by anything that involves a victim, but the rest of society isn't sending threats of violence at someone that criticizes a female athlete/children's role model for getting breast implants in hopes to stand out more to her audience even though it handicaps her actual performance.

It seems like you're trying to make this a lot more involved than it is - especially when you use the example of race - which is a much bigger hot button than both weight and implants.

That's part of the point. Different types of distain garners different types of reactions. The backlash Meltzer would get for implant shaming would be lesser than him fat shaming.

[Spens1]

think its common knowledge that the part timers are all on gear. except Jericho, not with that dad bod he ain't.

You say this as if anyone knows actually knows that. They’re all just guessing, like you.

fairly educated though, have you seen HHH, working out well at 50, with his schedule only gets you so far. I'm sure at minimum some HGH is involved. I mean its not that big of a deal, they're experts at it anyway so as long as they're not abusing it, its not a big deal tbh.

[Spens1]

Oh, by the way, we're not going to reduce this conversation to "SJWs" and their opponents. I'll slap a masterlock (wrestling reference) on it if that's what happens.

Well if only Bobby Lashley didn't break out of that

[Ruzious]

All hate isn't equal. Disparaging a person for their weight and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their silicone implants are two different things. Disparaging a person for their race and their weight are two different things. I don't know how to put it in a simpler manner for someone that doesn't understand basic ethics.

SJWs is will always be offended by anything that involves a victim, but the rest of society isn't sending threats of violence at someone that criticizes a female athlete/children's role model for getting breast implants in hopes to stand out more to her audience even though it handicaps her actual performance.

It seems like you're trying to make this a lot more involved than it is - especially when you use the example of race - which is a much bigger hot button than both weight and implants.

I think hes just trying to say that criticizing someones Implants isn't the same as criticizing someones weight. Which is true. There are differnet levels. A better example would be that stealing $1 isn't the same level of sin as commiting rape. I think RTC sees it as, Meltzer stole $1 but the public is hanging him high as if he commited rape.

But if Meltzer did really mean her fake boobs and not her weight, then he should've clarified that

I guess my mind-set on the fat-shaming issue is different than you guys. Fat-shaming is terrible to do to kids, but she's a full-grown adult professional athlete. I don't see it as any worse than making a comment about her implants. To me, he shouldn't have said it either way, but it's hardly a big deal either way. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[Scott Hall]

It seems like you're trying to make this a lot more involved than it is - especially when you use the example of race - which is a much bigger hot button than both weight and implants.

I think hes just trying to say that criticizing someones Implants isn't the same as criticizing someones weight. Which is true. There are differnet levels. A better example would be that stealing $1 isn't the same level of sin as commiting rape. I think RTC sees it as, Meltzer stole $1 but the public is hanging him high as if he commited rape.

But if Meltzer did really mean her fake boobs and not her weight, then he should've clarified that

I guess my mind-set on the fat-shaming issue is different than you guys. Fat-shaming is terrible to do to kids, but she's a full-grown adult professional athlete. I don't see it as any worse than making a comment about her implants. To me, he shouldn't have said it either way, but it's hardly a big deal either way. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

A lot of fans are always "fat shaming" Kevin Owens yet it seems totally acceptable but it's a double standard for
women. As for breast implants their stupid just look at Charlotte Flair and all the time she missed because of
rupturing them. Unfortunately hotness matters unless you're Ronda Rousey and a huge star. Look who the two
women champs are right now and Vince has admitted it not to long ago on a Network special.

Doesn't obesity lead to other health problems? how many obese people do you see in their 70's, 80's and 90's?
It's cool that Nia Jax has a unique look and is a monster in the division but are people just gonna tell her she's
beautiful in the inside and all that crap because if they really cared for her they'd tell her to lose some weight if
she wants to have a long career and a long healthy life.

[Dominator83]

I think hes just trying to say that criticizing someones Implants isn't the same as criticizing someones weight. Which is true. There are differnet levels. A better example would be that stealing $1 isn't the same level of sin as commiting rape. I think RTC sees it as, Meltzer stole $1 but the public is hanging him high as if he commited rape.

But if Meltzer did really mean her fake boobs and not her weight, then he should've clarified that

I guess my mind-set on the fat-shaming issue is different than you guys. Fat-shaming is terrible to do to kids, but she's a full-grown adult professional athlete. I don't see it as any worse than making a comment about her implants. To me, he shouldn't have said it either way, but it's hardly a big deal either way. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

A lot of fans are always "fat shaming" Kevin Owens yet it seems totally acceptable but it's a double standard for
women. As for breast implants their stupid just look at Charlotte Flair and all the time she missed because of
rupturing them. Unfortunately hotness matters unless your Ronda Rousey and a huge star. Look who the two
women champs are right now and Vince has admitted it not to long ago on a Network special.

Doesn't obesity lead to other health problems? how many obese people do you see in their 70's, 80's and 90's?
It's cool that Nia Jax has a unique look and is a monster in the division but are people just gonna tell her she's
beautiful in the inside and all that crap because if they really cared for her they'd tell her to lose some weight if
she wants to have a long career and a long healthy life.

Yea Vince is still a big douche when it comes to the women on the roster. Becky Lynch is one of their best wrestlers and she's over with the fans. But they stopped pushing her because Vince didn't like her accent appearantly

Alexa I can understand constant push. Shes great on the mic, not bad in the ring, and is over. Carmella flat out sucks and isn't even that over. Maybe Vince doesn't think Asukas hot enough? Dirty wins or not, in no world would HHH have her jobbing to Carmella. I remember sometime back Vince kept lobbying HHH to give Eva Marie a title shot (I believe Bayley was still champ at the time) so hunter gave her the match and had her get squashed as a way to troll Vince

[Stanford]

if they really cared for her they'd tell her to lose some weight.

lol ok dude

[improper]

I guess my mind-set on the fat-shaming issue is different than you guys. Fat-shaming is terrible to do to kids, but she's a full-grown adult professional athlete. I don't see it as any worse than making a comment about her implants. To me, he shouldn't have said it either way, but it's hardly a big deal either way. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

I also think there's a big difference between fat-shaming and having critical discussions about how a wrestler looks and how it impacts their in-ring performance. For example, if you just say Nia is fat, that's not constructive. It adds nothing and is just shaming her. However, if you talk about how her size limits her ability in the ring and the speed at which she can do things, I think that frames it in a more constructive manner. Nia would be a better wrestler if she lost a little weight. She's never going to look like Sasha Banks, but she could certainly get herself to a point where she moves more fluidly and faster out there. She could also stand to gain a bunch of strength, because they play her off like a monster, but she's just not strong at all and can barely do any power moves. She needs to get herself to a point where she can effectively use her size as a strength in the ring, but she's just nowhere near there yet.

Kevin Owens is a guy who is overweight, but I've never got the sense that it really limits him in the ring, so I think it's just a different discussion from Nia, who is clearly limited by her weight. Owens can do things a lot of guys half his size can't. I'd compare him more to a football linebacker in that he's big, but he's also extremely athletic, which makes the things he can do at his size look more impressive. Nia just doesn't have that. She's big, but she can't really do anything that anyone else her size couldn't do.

But you are right that these are professional athletes working in a business where look matters (unless you're related to or friends with the Rock, of course), and so I don't think it's really a problem to have conversations about how these people, male or female, look and how it impacts their performance and their overall potential. You just need to make sure that, when you do have these discussions, you frame it in the proper light.

[Stanford]

Nia would be a better wrestler if she lost a little weight.

I'm not sure that's true. She'd be more mobile, for sure, but I don't think her weight limits her ceiling as a wrestler. She just needs to get better at the things that she can do at her size; or, said in a tautological way, to be a better wrestler she needs to get better at wrestling.

Look at Awesome Kong. She's legitimately one of the top wrestlers of the last 10-15 years. Her size was an asset and she leveraged it in a way that allowed her to perfect wrestling psychology. She's slimmed down recently and looks a lot less intimidating. There's something to be said for mastering Kong's style when you're the only woman at that size on the roster. It's really valuable.

[improper]

I'm not sure that's true. She'd be more mobile, for sure, but I don't think her weight limits her ceiling as a wrestler. She just needs to get better at the things that she can do at her size; or, said in a tautological way, to be a better wrestler she needs to get better at wrestling.

Look at Awesome Kong. She's legitimately one of the top wrestlers of the last 10-15 years. Her size was an asset and she leveraged it in a way that allowed her to perfect wrestling psychology. She's slimmed down recently and looks a lot less intimidating. There's something to be said for mastering Kong's style when you're the only woman at that size on the roster. It's really valuable.

Well, I'm not saying that Nia should get skinny, but I do think if she lost about twenty pounds it would make her a lot quicker. She'd still have over a hundred pounds on all the other women on the roster.

[Scott Hall]

if they really cared for her they'd tell her to lose some weight.

lol ok dude

Yeah you're right just keep on patting her on the back while she develops heart trouble and diabetes
and ends up croaking early like Yokozuna.

Forget wrestling how many people that are obese live past their early 60's? Plus quality of life in those later
years is not good. That's why this fat shaming stuff is so moronic.

Vince and the management team have been on Big Shows ass for years about losing weight and keeping it
in check and finally he did the last year or so. They've probably saved 10-15 years of his life if he can maintain it.