tugs wrote:Didn't watch but did he no sell the jackhammer after the pin? It's Bray, he can always talk his way out like Fiend losing interest or something
Yeah, he did. And then he disappeared like a wizard
tugs wrote:Didn't watch but did he no sell the jackhammer after the pin? It's Bray, he can always talk his way out like Fiend losing interest or something
tugs wrote:Didn't watch but did he no sell the jackhammer after the pin? It's Bray, he can always talk his way out like Fiend losing interest or something
If only Lucha underground still existed.improper wrote:tugs wrote:Didn't watch but did he no sell the jackhammer after the pin? It's Bray, he can always talk his way out like Fiend losing interest or something
Can you really blame him? He spent so much time creating this new character and got it wildly over and his reward was to job to a geriatric who can't even go in the ring any more in a two minute match on a show no one cared about. Booking like this is what makes guys check out.
We saw how Ambrose visibly stopped caring after all the BS and then immediately looked like a new man when he went to New Japan. I think we're about to see the same with Bray. Why would you bother giving it your all after this?
improper wrote:Honestly, the thing with Wyatt bothers me even less than the way they did Ricochet dirty. We knew Wyatt versus Goldberg was gonna suck, but it was super disappointing to me that they couldn't even be bothered to give Ricochet a decent Lesnar match after building him up. Everyone knew he was going to lose, but at least make him look a little good in defeat. It's so stupid the way they cannibalize their full time talent to feed guys who wrestle a couple of times a year.
Scott Hall wrote:I don't know they've always had guys that are attractions and hard to beat whether it was Bruno, Andre, Hogan or Taker.
Brock being a part timer doesn't bother me much and him being that tough video game boss attraction doesn't bother me.
Andre the Giant wasn't around every week and he barely ever lost and if he had competitive matches with guys like
Koko B. Ware it would take away from his aura. Last year Lesnar had a competitive match with Balor who's now a mid card
guy in NXT lost to Rollins at WM in a curtain jerker match and then lost to Rollins again at Summerslam. And what did
it accomplish? Rollins didn't get over and ended up having to turn heel shortly after.
Brock has actually lost a little to much in recent years and they've had to build him up again by squashing Kofi, Mysterio,
half the roster in the Rumble and now Ricochet. I'd say it's most likely Drew McIntyre is going over at WM so if a little
guy who's still young is having a competitive match with Brock it wouldn't be surprising at all if Drew ends up beating him.
As for Ricchocet I don't think it hurts him at all... a year ago he was called up on the roster tag-teaming with Black
and not having much direction he had a solid feud with AJ Styles and now the company has enough confidence to
book him in high profile match against their biggest meal ticket in a huge stadium show for the tittle. A lot of guys
would take that.
improper wrote:Scott Hall wrote:I don't know they've always had guys that are attractions and hard to beat whether it was Bruno, Andre, Hogan or Taker.
Brock being a part timer doesn't bother me much and him being that tough video game boss attraction doesn't bother me.
Andre the Giant wasn't around every week and he barely ever lost and if he had competitive matches with guys like
Koko B. Ware it would take away from his aura. Last year Lesnar had a competitive match with Balor who's now a mid card
guy in NXT lost to Rollins at WM in a curtain jerker match and then lost to Rollins again at Summerslam. And what did
it accomplish? Rollins didn't get over and ended up having to turn heel shortly after.
Brock has actually lost a little to much in recent years and they've had to build him up again by squashing Kofi, Mysterio,
half the roster in the Rumble and now Ricochet. I'd say it's most likely Drew McIntyre is going over at WM so if a little
guy who's still young is having a competitive match with Brock it wouldn't be surprising at all if Drew ends up beating him.
As for Ricchocet I don't think it hurts him at all... a year ago he was called up on the roster tag-teaming with Black
and not having much direction he had a solid feud with AJ Styles and now the company has enough confidence to
book him in high profile match against their biggest meal ticket in a huge stadium show for the tittle. A lot of guys
would take that.
Again, I'm not complaining that Ricochet lost. Literally everyone knew he was losing that match. But him getting in zero offense when he just won a number one contender match is inexcusable. They should have done the standard Brock match. He tosses Ricochet around for a few minutes before Ricochet turns the tables and gets in some offense and some nice hope spots before Brock regains the advantage and puts him away. If it ain't broke...
Scott Hall wrote:Ricochet was a U.S. Champ in his rookie main roster year that's pretty good. Brock gets a much needed squash
to continue to look strong before he loses again to Drew and Ricochet gets a world tittle match at a Stadium
show even if he was just used as fodder I don't think it hurts him. How many guys get a high profile match with
AJ Styles at SummerSlam 6 months in? Get a U.S. tittle run? a Brock match at a Stadium show? Hell Lashley
would kill for all that especially the Brock match.
LLJ wrote:Scott Hall wrote:Ricochet was a U.S. Champ in his rookie main roster year that's pretty good. Brock gets a much needed squash
to continue to look strong before he loses again to Drew and Ricochet gets a world tittle match at a Stadium
show even if he was just used as fodder I don't think it hurts him. How many guys get a high profile match with
AJ Styles at SummerSlam 6 months in? Get a U.S. tittle run? a Brock match at a Stadium show? Hell Lashley
would kill for all that especially the Brock match.
Ricochet is OK but there are tiers, and he's never been presented on a level of AJ, Bryan or even Balor (who was Universal Champion once and has scored wins over many top guys in the past).
They should never have put him in this match against Brock really. I would have put someone in there with Brock who has no upside or someone they simply won't ever invest in. Ricochet is too young to start treating like a complete scrub. I get he needs to "work his way up" the kayfabe tier ladder, but the guy should be losing in ways that make him look competitive, not a complete non factor.
Speaking of tiers, I knew Goldberg was a threat because the guy has only lost like 4, maybe 5 times total in the WWE. He's not a guy they have lose lightly. He beat Brock Lesnar in 1 minute just 3 and a half years ago! If someone beats Goldberg, then they have to be really really really high on them, like LEGEND tier, and I was never convinced they thought of The Fiend as anything more than a temporary monster at best.
So when the match with Goldberg was announced, I was like "Uh-oh." And then when the rumor sheets were saying the main event was changed I was like "Of course. Typical Vince."
heatwillbeback wrote:I don't mind Fiend losing.
I do mind that the WWE believes we don't have eyes and ignores that Goldberg put on the worst recent match in history vs. Undertaker. Dude legitimately has nothing left to offer.
heatwillbeback wrote:I don't mind Fiend losing.
I do mind that the WWE believes we don't have eyes and ignores that Goldberg put on the worst recent match in history vs. Undertaker. Dude legitimately has nothing left to offer.
jakecronus8 wrote:I agree with all of this. Fiend never should have won the title. You can still have him wrestle for it and destroy whoever is champ then just have him leave. I digress
Too many people are defending this by pulling out the “what about Jericho in Aew?” line. Can’t help but laugh as Jericho is and always has been 100x the worker Goldberg ever was and at 49 can still go. If you’re champ can’t work a real match for 5 minutes, it’s just embarrassing to himself and the company