All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[Dominator83]

He would be great for them to generate buzz. But his matches suck and AEW is more about work rate than anything else. But I can understand why they would want him because the casuals love Brock

[Scott Hall]

Tonight NBA or AEW?^^

I always watch the live sports and watch the wrestling after or the next morning. There's been so much
frigging wrestling on lately watching it every morning has become a new routine for me. I'd love to watch
some Japan stuff or even ROH to see what's going on but I just can't keep up.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Someone needs to rein in Justin Roberts with the announcing. Some of it is too over the top — almost a distraction. “JEEEEEAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN MOXLEYYYYYY.” I think it’s overdone.

[Dominator83]

Is Hardy legit injured or is it Kayfabe. I didn't see the show

[WRau1]

Is Hardy legit injured or is it Kayfabe. I didn't see the show

It looked pretty rough and a lot of sites are reporting it as legit.

[Dominator83]

Is Hardy legit injured or is it Kayfabe. I didn't see the show

It looked pretty rough and a lot of sites are reporting it as legit.

Yea upon further review, doesn't look like Kayfabe

[Amare_1_Knicks]

The Tooth and Nail match was a little hard to watch, for me. I like Britt Baker, but Big Swole ? Not so much. Her acting/demeanor/cadences are all a bit over the top. It wasn’t the worst thing in the world, and thankfully it didn’t drag on too long.

Matt Hardy really shouldn’t have been allowed to continue after that bump. Not much else to say about that “match”, but he was obviously dazed and concussed after hitting his head.

FTR winning and Omega/Page splitting was also the right way to go. They’ve had a longggg reign and FTR is legit one of the best and most beloved tag teams in wrestling. Solid match, but it did feel a tad long.

[Scott Hall]

Once again felt like this was a boring and unorganized show...

That Matt Hardy bump was brutal. I met and saw Matt Hardy last year at the SummerSlam hotel and he walks/limps
around like he's in his 80's when he's in his 40's. I don't know how many more bumps this guy can take and how many
hardcore wrestling matches he can do at this point.

Feel bad for Matt Sydal with that brutal botch with the shooting star press I like the signing if they indeed actually
singed him and it wasn't just a one off but that debut ranks right up there with the Shockmaster in 1993 WCW.

One of things that's been bugging me lately and not just AEW because I've seen it with Breezango matches in NXT
lately is these matches are just completely high spot after high spot after high spot with little to no psychology and
story telling. Nothing really feels special anymore because it's just high spot from the start of the match till the end.
Then you get to the next match and it's like you've already seen everything so what can they possibly do? Where is
the build up and climax?

When I watch a Young Bucks match it feels like I'm watching a performance or a Cirque du Soleil show. Couple of
weeks ago I was watching a Breezango match in NXT and they're doing that spot where you do a suicide dive and
and the guys outside the ring stand there like idiots waiting to catch you and this was 45 seconds into the match.

Lastly I appreciate that they're trying to elevate and make stars of Organge Cassiday and MJF by putting them
in high profile matches but I just see these guys as comedy acts and not legit top stars. I think MJF can be a solid
mid card guy possibly and maybe right now but with his look and in ring skills I don't seem him as a future top star
that a lot do.

[Ruzious]

Once again felt like this was a boring and unorganized show...

That Matt Hardy bump was brutal. I met and saw Matt Hardy last year at the SummerSlam hotel and he walks/limps
around like he's in his 80's when he's in his 40's. I don't know how many more bumps this guy can take and how many
hardcore wrestling matches he can do at this point.

Feel bad for Matt Sydal with that brutal botch with the shooting star press I like the signing if they indeed actually
singed him and it wasn't just a one off but that debut ranks right up there with the Shockmaster in 1993 WCW.

One of things that's been bugging me lately and not just AEW because I've seen it with Breezango matches in NXT
lately is these matches are just completely high spot after high spot after high spot with little to no psychology and
story telling. Nothing really feels special anymore because it's just high spot from the start of the match till the end.
Then you get to the next match and it's like you've already seen everything so what can they possibly do? Where is
the build up and climax?

When I watch a Young Bucks match it feels like I'm watching a performance or a Cirque du Soleil show. Couple of
weeks ago I was watching a Breezango match in NXT and they're doing that spot where you do a suicide dive and
and the guys outside the ring stand there like idiots waiting to catch you and this was 45 seconds into the match.

Lastly I appreciate that they're trying to elevate and make stars of Organge Cassiday and MJF by putting them
in high profile matches but I just see these guys as comedy acts and not legit top stars. I think MJF can be a solid
mid card guy possibly and maybe right now but with his look and in ring skills I don't seem him as a future top star
that a lot do.

I agree with most of what you said. Probably the only 2 things I disagree are the Young Bucks and MJF. To me, the Young Bucks have been the best tag team in pro rasslin for a decade. Just because they are spot monkeys, it doesn't mean they don't tell a story. But yeah, so many teams are looking stupid waiting to catch guys doing dives - it's so overdone nowadaze.

And MJF is maybe the most entertaining guy on the mic in the business now, and he's also decent in the ring - and I expect he'll continue to improve there. Granted, he's not Rick Flair or Randy Orton, but he's really not just a comedy guy - he's believable as a wrestler who can beat anyone on any given day, and I do see him as a main eventer for many years to come. He was born to be a heel.

[Scott Hall]

Once again felt like this was a boring and unorganized show...

That Matt Hardy bump was brutal. I met and saw Matt Hardy last year at the SummerSlam hotel and he walks/limps
around like he's in his 80's when he's in his 40's. I don't know how many more bumps this guy can take and how many
hardcore wrestling matches he can do at this point.

Feel bad for Matt Sydal with that brutal botch with the shooting star press I like the signing if they indeed actually
singed him and it wasn't just a one off but that debut ranks right up there with the Shockmaster in 1993 WCW.

One of things that's been bugging me lately and not just AEW because I've seen it with Breezango matches in NXT
lately is these matches are just completely high spot after high spot after high spot with little to no psychology and
story telling. Nothing really feels special anymore because it's just high spot from the start of the match till the end.
Then you get to the next match and it's like you've already seen everything so what can they possibly do? Where is
the build up and climax?

When I watch a Young Bucks match it feels like I'm watching a performance or a Cirque du Soleil show. Couple of
weeks ago I was watching a Breezango match in NXT and they're doing that spot where you do a suicide dive and
and the guys outside the ring stand there like idiots waiting to catch you and this was 45 seconds into the match.

Lastly I appreciate that they're trying to elevate and make stars of Organge Cassiday and MJF by putting them
in high profile matches but I just see these guys as comedy acts and not legit top stars. I think MJF can be a solid
mid card guy possibly and maybe right now but with his look and in ring skills I don't seem him as a future top star
that a lot do.

I agree with most of what you said. Probably the only 2 things I disagree are the Young Bucks and MJF. To me, the Young Bucks have been the best tag team in pro rasslin for a decade. Just because they are spot monkeys, it doesn't mean they don't tell a story. But yeah, so many teams are looking stupid waiting to catch guys doing dives - it's so overdone nowadaze.

And MJF is maybe the most entertaining guy on the mic in the business now, and he's also decent in the ring - and I expect he'll continue to improve there. Granted, he's not Rick Flair or Randy Orton, but he's really not just a comedy guy - he's believable as a wrestler who can beat anyone on any given day, and I do see him as a main eventer for many years to come. He was born to be a heel.

I would say the Usos are the best Tag-Team of the last decade they completely changed up their gimmick and look
even though they weren't even stale and did it flawlessly. Their matches are believable and they seem to adjust to
any style of Tag-Team they face and make it work as well being in different match types and making it work.

The Young Bucks make Wrestling look extremely choreographed like I'm watching a well rehearsed performance.
It's not like I'm some old head that likes an old school certain style I have an appreciation for high flyers and lucha
libre wrestling but they need to work on the nuances of wrestling. The other day I'm watching their match with
Luchasauras and he's just standing there waiting for the high spot and then they just transition to another one and it's
so unrealistic and over the top. I'm conflicted because on one hand this "athletic performance" is extremely well
choreographed but I've seen this play a thousand times and I feel their matches have been going on about 10 mins
to long so they can cram in every offensive move they can think of to get that 5 Star rating from Meltzer who gets off
on that style.

As for MJF I think because he's so great on the mic people are over compensating that in other areas. To me he doesn't
look like a star he looks more like a job guy and his in ring work is adequate at best. On a deep roster to me he's an
entertaining mid card heel but he's not a guy I see being a headline attraction as he is in current form.

[Ruzious]

The Bucks at their very best were in Japan - where they were the best in the world - and I don't see how anyone who watched could disagree. That's also where Adam Cole became a great pro rassler. That environment made all 3 of them significantly raise their level. Yeah, the Bucks had a couple of over-choreographed matches in AEW recently, but they also had the most amazing parts in that AEW Stadium Stampede match that was the highlight of pro rassling this year, imo. And the Uso's are as guilty as anyone with having their opponents catch them outside the ring.

Believe me, I'm no fan-boy of AEW and think they have a lot of very weak links. It's just that the Bucks and MJF are not weak links by any stretch. We completely disagree on MJF, but I see where you're coming from - he's not a completely traditional looking heel. But he is at least on his way to becoming a Great heel.

[Scott Hall]

The Bucks at their very best were in Japan - where they were the best in the world - and I don't see how anyone who watched could disagree. That's also where Adam Cole became a great pro rassler. That environment made all 3 of them significantly raise their level. Yeah, the Bucks had a couple of over-choreographed matches in AEW recently, but they also had the most amazing parts in that AEW Stadium Stampede match that was the highlight of pro rassling this year, imo. And the Uso's are as guilty as anyone with having their opponents catch them outside the ring.

Believe me, I'm no fan-boy of AEW and think they have a lot of very weak links. It's just that the Bucks and MJF are not weak links by any stretch. We completely disagree on MJF, but I see where you're coming from - he's not a completely traditional looking heel. But he is at least on his way to becoming a Great heel.

I don't hate the Young Bucks or think they suck or anything like that or don't find them to be a weak link of AEW.
I know Randy Orton and Jim Cornette and some others have been very critical of their style. Me I don't know what
to make of it like I said I feel like I'm watching like a Broadway show or something. At times I find them very entertaining
the ladder match they had with the Lucha Bros earlier in the year was one of the better tag matches I've seen when
they are on like you said they are some of the best in the world but lately I'm seeing matches that are going on to long
that are spotfest from start to finish and some stuff looking really bad like that clip Orton posted on them a few weeks
back or that spot with Luchasauraus.

It's not so much them that's the problem it's this new "style" of this generation and like I mentioned the NXT guys
are guilty of it as well. There's this mindset that being the best in ring wrestler is the only thing that matters in
wrestling and you do that by doing matches with nothing but high spots and doing every move you can think of
because that will get you 5 stars in the observer. A DDT in this generation is like taking a body slam or clothesline
it has like no effect. And finishers what's the point of having them since everybody kicks out of them a thousand
times nowadays.

Guys have these types of matches on TV every week so when you see them on PPV they don't feel that special.
I'd just like to see some guys slow down a bit work on pacing, story telling, psychology and make their stuff look
more realistic to get that perfect balance with their crazy athleticism.

It's fine that you disagree about MJF I heard Jim Ross call him a "prodigy" on the Preshow. I just think he has a ceiling
and is somewhat one dimensional. It's like prospects in a draft some of us are higher on guys upside and potential
then others.

[AirCanadaMouse]

I just finished watching the event. I watched the Raptors/playoff basketball, and honestly 4 hours is a tough sit through for anything.

Announcing was awful, Jr sucks the life out of everything, and segments that are supposed to come off as meaningful are killed with his lack of enthusiasm.

Anyways, full show notes:

- Tooth and nail match had its moments, I think this was the way to get to ease Baker back in action after an injury. I like the Reba character a lot, perfect lackey for a heel like Britt. This didn’t much for me but I didn’t hate it either.

- Young Bucks match was just what they needed, a big win to keep them in the title picture and doing it with a mean streak. Would’ve liked to see both Luchasaurus and Nick Jackson to do their “best comeback(s) in the business” during the match as a bit of story-telling. That was a missed moment, but solid match otherwise.

- Im a mark for gimmick matches like Casino Battle Royale’s, but it has to be booked right. Great call with Archer, Kingston, Sydal in the final as you believed they all had a chance to win.

I’m actually really happy they gave Archer the win, he needed some direction considering his lack of involvement on Dynamite. Him and Mox should mesh well, looking forward to it.

Other good booking decisions were Hobbs in the match and having a good showing.

I really like Sonny Kiss getting a surprise elimination on Hager, but way to kill the moment with him being eliminated immediately after it. Let it shine a bit.

Oh yeah, that botch was hilarious. Shockmaster 2.0, I laughed so hard if I’m
Being brutally honest.

- They should’ve called off the Hardy/Sammy match, I hated this entire thing. Matt climbing up the scaffold after just being severely concussed, wtf was that. This was a really bad look for AEW. I get trying to please the fans, but no one wanted to see that.

- The Shida/Rosa match would’ve been a lot better but sadly due to the rushed finish of the Hardy match, and needing to make up time, this match began to get a bit exposed with a few sloppy spots. It wasn’t bad, I was actually going to say it was one of aew’s better women’s matches in their short history but it became one awkward spot too many.

- I didn’t realize how much I hated the Dark Order match until I wrote this recap. Dustin saying he “dusted the Dark order” and avenging for Cody off a flash roll up? That was so delusional and silly. His promo afterwards was actually good but I’m not taking you seriously after that dumb one liner.

QT Marshall is instant go away heat for me in the ring. And did they really need this win? I don’t need this to set up Dustin vs. Brodie. If they were win going to win, it should’ve been because Scorpio Sky carried them in doing so.

- FTR winning was just what we needed but why were the young bucks had to think about riding with Kenny when they’ve been adamantly done with Hangman after he cost them the match? I liked this match, but expected way more at the same time. The story telling at the end didn’t make sense and the announcing at the end was awful.

JR was going on about something irrelevant while Omega was teasing an attack on Kenny. JR really sucks now.

- I admittedly liked the mimosa match, I didn’t know who would win so I really was on the edge anytime they teased a dump in, made me suspend disbelief until I realize it’s always the heel that will get drenched. Duh. Kudos for them for having me invested in a match and honestly feud that I didn’t care for.

- World title match was interesting, great finish. I didn’t realize the move was banned? I thought the waiver settled that whole thing but I guess not. They continue to tease the Wardlow/MJF feud, works for me. Would’ve loved to see MJF get the win but time is not right. Not yet, I get that.

TLDR: This PPV was pretty disappointing not going to lie.


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[Spens1]

Lets call it what it is, this was not a good ppv at all for the most part. Tag team match was decent but underdelivered. Womans match was ok and the main event was entertaining. But other then that this show fell flat badly.

Was a horrible night for Matt's (Sydal becoming shockmaster 2.0 and Matt Hardy's situation as well).

JR is a detriment and honestly they should look to bring in Kevin Kelly (mainly cause i want Mauro and his limited schedule to go back to new japan with chris charlton and rocky, that would be the dream team).

[Amare_1_Knicks]

I don’t think JR is bad. He’s not what he once was, but he’s still pretty good. JR works better when he plays off of a heel commentator, and they don’t have that on the average episode of dynamite. Excalibur, JR and Tony are all face commentators.

Also, I really get the impression that JR doesn’t agree with the way AEW presents their wrestlers/storylines/matches. And I can’t really fault him for that.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Miro (Rusev) is All Elite! That was genuinely a surprise and they did a great job of keeping it under wraps. I didn’t see it coming at all, and really thought he was done with wrestling. I’m just happy that in 2020, AEW has managed to grab “big man” talent like Brodie, Cage, Archer, Cardona, and now Miro. The latter two aren’t big men, per se, but are so much bigger than the average AEW wrestler. In addition to their looks being more palatable, they are also better and more experienced performers than the average AEW wrestler as well.

It was a solid show last night. The FTR celebration segment was my favorite of the night. Cash, Dax and Tully all delivered on the mic.

The main event was pretty good. Dustin looks and moves outstanding for his age. I liked that he was game but Brodie still won in convincing fashion. Dark Order stands tall yet again to end the show, and that sets up a potentially rewarding payoff when it all culminates.

[AirCanadaMouse]

It’s sad because I skipped through the entire
main event because I just can’t take Dustin in the ring anymore.

He just doesn’t put people over as much as he should. There’s no reason for Dustin to beat guys like Kip and have him and QT beat any other tag team.

Truly a shame because the goldust gimmick is literally in my top 5 favourite characters of all time, but I just can’t watch him anymore. I’m done.

Even this main event, no reason for him to have a great match and a fight against Brodie.

It just ruined and made the attack Brodie had on Cody less meaningful.

Brodie needed to squash goldust too, maybe even worse than the Cody match.


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[Ruzious]

It’s sad because I skipped through the entire
main event because I just can’t take Dustin in the ring anymore.

He just doesn’t put people over as much as he should. There’s no reason for Dustin to beat guys like Kip and have him and QT beat any other tag team.

Truly a shame because the goldust gimmick is literally in my top 5 favourite characters of all time, but I just can’t watch him anymore. I’m done.

Even this main event, no reason for him to have a great match and a fight against Brodie.

It just ruined and made the attack Brodie had on Cody less meaningful.

Brodie needed to squash goldust too, maybe even worse than the Cody match.


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Meh, AEW has too many guys like Sabian, imo - skinny guys with some talent but who just look like low level Indy guys. if Dustin loses to guys like him, it says he's done as being useful as a pro rassler more than anything else.

[Dominator83]

The Bucks at their very best were in Japan - where they were the best in the world - and I don't see how anyone who watched could disagree. That's also where Adam Cole became a great pro rassler. That environment made all 3 of them significantly raise their level. Yeah, the Bucks had a couple of over-choreographed matches in AEW recently, but they also had the most amazing parts in that AEW Stadium Stampede match that was the highlight of pro rassling this year, imo. And the Uso's are as guilty as anyone with having their opponents catch them outside the ring.

Believe me, I'm no fan-boy of AEW and think they have a lot of very weak links. It's just that the Bucks and MJF are not weak links by any stretch. We completely disagree on MJF, but I see where you're coming from - he's not a completely traditional looking heel. But he is at least on his way to becoming a Great heel.

I don't hate the Young Bucks or think they suck or anything like that or don't find them to be a weak link of AEW.
I know Randy Orton and Jim Cornette and some others have been very critical of their style. Me I don't know what
to make of it like I said I feel like I'm watching like a Broadway show or something. At times I find them very entertaining
the ladder match they had with the Lucha Bros earlier in the year was one of the better tag matches I've seen when
they are on like you said they are some of the best in the world but lately I'm seeing matches that are going on to long
that are spotfest from start to finish and some stuff looking really bad like that clip Orton posted on them a few weeks
back or that spot with Luchasauraus.

It's not so much them that's the problem it's this new "style" of this generation and like I mentioned the NXT guys
are guilty of it as well. There's this mindset that being the best in ring wrestler is the only thing that matters in
wrestling and you do that by doing matches with nothing but high spots and doing every move you can think of
because that will get you 5 stars in the observer. A DDT in this generation is like taking a body slam or clothesline
it has like no effect. And finishers what's the point of having them since everybody kicks out of them a thousand
times nowadays.

Guys have these types of matches on TV every week so when you see them on PPV they don't feel that special.
I'd just like to see some guys slow down a bit work on pacing, story telling, psychology and make their stuff look
more realistic to get that perfect balance with their crazy athleticism.

It's fine that you disagree about MJF I heard Jim Ross call him a "prodigy" on the Preshow. I just think he has a ceiling
and is somewhat one dimensional. It's like prospects in a draft some of us are higher on guys upside and potential
then others.

Yea its kinda like the NBA nowadays. Everybody just wants the fast paced 3pt shootout from all 30 teams. Back in the early 2000's when it was the Mavs, the Suns, and Kings doing it, it was a special treat to watch. Now everybodys doing it and its lost its uniqueness.

As i've stated here many times, fans now are too spoiled. Main stream wrestling back then was alot like WWE network edition of NXT. Not everybody was featured every week, and it was common to feature the top stars against jobbers or lower level opponents, so you still get to have your Hulk Hogan or Undertaker match without giving anything away. The high profile opponents were saved for the PPVs. You would commonly see a Seth Rollins level guy against, say, a Drake Maverick or Cedric Alexander in the main event of the weeks top show. Then the next week that Seth Rollins level guy would only be seen in a video or promo. It kept things much more fresh for much longer, and the PPVs felt like high profile matches that you weren't going to see anywhere else and you felt like you HAD to see them because you were invested and weren't seeing those matches on RAW or WCW Saturday Night, etc. The Monday Night War era is when that stuff started going out the window.

Couldn't agree more on the finishers. They mean nothing now. Pretty much any match now thats mid-card level and up, its a 2 finisher minimum to win the match. Back when we were growing up, it was finisher followed by 1-2-3. Kicking out of a finisher was done on RARE occasion, and only in big matches on PPV, if even at all. And on those rare occasions that it did happen, it was a big deal and was legit shock value.

Wrestling like the NBA, has a case of "Too much of a good thing is bad"

[Spens1]

I don’t think JR is bad. He’s not what he once was, but he’s still pretty good. JR works better when he plays off of a heel commentator, and they don’t have that on the average episode of dynamite. Excalibur, JR and Tony are all face commentators.

Also, I really get the impression that JR doesn’t agree with the way AEW presents their wrestlers/storylines/matches. And I can’t really fault him for that.

Yeahe he absolutely does not like/is at least apathetic to the product and it shows. That alone really hurts his commentary.