WWE General Discussion II

[Scott Hall]

AEWs production looks already on par with WWE...

Also Goldberg is returning at Saudi Arabia

[jakecronus8]

If they let Moxley go full Moxley, casuals are going to understand how badly WWE botched a sure fire star.

[Spens1]

Smackdown got 1.833 Million for the last episode. I have no idea how they're going to improve that rating to be honest or else Fox will cut them or put them on Fox Sports within 6 months. Even with the extra 10% viewership, that won't save them if the product is terrible.

[Dominator83]

Smackdown got 1.833 Million for the last episode. I have no idea how they're going to improve that rating to be honest or else Fox will cut them or put them on Fox Sports within 6 months. Even with the extra 10% viewership, that won't save them if the product is terrible.

Vince is just gonna think that Kofi cant draw or be taken seriously as a champion. Better get that belt on Roman!

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[improper]

Vince is just gonna think that Kofi cant draw or be taken seriously as a champion. Better get that belt on Roman!

They already had Vince using the "we had stars out" excuse a few weeks ago, even though Roman has never and will never be a draw. WWE is just delusional, and I really hope AEW gets on a significant cable network and starts pressuring WWE. Vince has been lazy for over a decade now.

[WRau1]

Luke Harper is stuck in purgatory.

Vince being the P.O.S and adding 6 months onto his contract to sit on his backside.

That's a great way to get people to sign to your contract.

Also if anyone wants to challenge them in the court, the WWE will lose, badly (i know america's worker rights laws are probably amongst the weakest in the western world, but even those laws would protect Harper in this case since most places allow for 2 weeks notice).

It gets worse apparently, Revival have refused 500k per year over 5 years (well duh, they're going), i'd refuse too after that dumb segment on monday. Wilder apparently also has another 2 months on his contract (have Jim Cornette confront Vince about holding his son hostage).

Talent are legit trying to fail drug tests (at least i've seen that) and that ain't working. So by all means WWE talent, get absolutely loose,

Didn't Del Rio win against the WWE by having his non-compete ruled unconstitutional in court?

[Spens1]

Luke Harper is stuck in purgatory.

Vince being the P.O.S and adding 6 months onto his contract to sit on his backside.

That's a great way to get people to sign to your contract.

Also if anyone wants to challenge them in the court, the WWE will lose, badly (i know america's worker rights laws are probably amongst the weakest in the western world, but even those laws would protect Harper in this case since most places allow for 2 weeks notice).

It gets worse apparently, Revival have refused 500k per year over 5 years (well duh, they're going), i'd refuse too after that dumb segment on monday. Wilder apparently also has another 2 months on his contract (have Jim Cornette confront Vince about holding his son hostage).

Talent are legit trying to fail drug tests (at least i've seen that) and that ain't working. So by all means WWE talent, get absolutely loose,

Didn't Del Rio win against the WWE by having his non-compete ruled unconstitutional in court?

Problem being is that was a no compete clause (out of contract), Harper is locked in still. Then again if they refused his resignation that would be interesting.

[Spens1]

Vince is just gonna think that Kofi cant draw or be taken seriously as a champion. Better get that belt on Roman!

They already had Vince using the "we had stars out" excuse a few weeks ago, even though Roman has never and will never be a draw. WWE is just delusional, and I really hope AEW gets on a significant cable network and starts pressuring WWE. Vince has been lazy for over a decade now.

issue being that Roman is neutral at best (in fact, sometimes he's a downright anti-draw). Then again that won't stop Vince, knowing him he'll have Roman beat Kofi.

[improper]

Yeah, considering Vince is making the exact same mistake with Corbin by shoving him down our throats, it's clear he has learned nothing. They've also already burned away any good will Roman had after returning.

[Spens1]

Lio Rush is still getting heat.

Like come on, they tell people to grab the brass ring, act confident and aim to be a main event style.

Also he talked about not being able to pay for basic things since you have to pay for everything yourself in the WWE (then again he may have just wasted his money) and that someone from ROH (who is now in the company, working backstage) doesn't like him (can't say i'm all that surprised given how he left).

Honestly, i think he could end up leaving the company sooner rather than later.

[daoneandonly]

Lio Rush is still getting heat.

Like come on, they tell people to grab the brass ring, act confident and aim to be a main event style.

Also he talked about not being able to pay for basic things since you have to pay for everything yourself in the WWE (then again he may have just wasted his money) and that someone from ROH (who is now in the company, working backstage) doesn't like him (can't say i'm all that surprised given how he left).

Honestly, i think he could end up leaving the company sooner rather than later.

I heard its more than that though. Reports I saw compared him to Enzo, where he cared more about the lifestyle and fame than the business, and kept bringing his friends into the locker room

[Spens1]

Lio Rush is still getting heat.

Like come on, they tell people to grab the brass ring, act confident and aim to be a main event style.

Also he talked about not being able to pay for basic things since you have to pay for everything yourself in the WWE (then again he may have just wasted his money) and that someone from ROH (who is now in the company, working backstage) doesn't like him (can't say i'm all that surprised given how he left).

Honestly, i think he could end up leaving the company sooner rather than later.

I heard its more than that though. Reports I saw compared him to Enzo, where he cared more about the lifestyle and fame than the business, and kept bringing his friends into the locker room

Yeah i saw that as well. Unlike Enzo he hasn't run down the business but if its true, then yeah he certainly needs to tone it down. I don't like most of the carny nonsense that happens in the WWE lockeroom but keeping friends and family out of the lockeroom is a pretty tame one.

[LLJ]

Yeah, considering Vince is making the exact same mistake with Corbin by shoving him down our throats, it's clear he has learned nothing. They've also already burned away any good will Roman had after returning.

Obviously I believe Roman's leukemia was legit. But the fact that he came back so soon really did make a lot of people go "hmmm" and sometimes optics become greater than reality and now Roman is neither cheered nor booed to the degree a top guy should be.

But anyway, the problems with the WWE right now are so many I don't really have time to go down the list. The handling of Roman is only one of the problems over the years.

[JohnPferdelack]

If they let Moxley go full Moxley, casuals are going to understand how badly WWE botched a sure fire star.

What is Moxley's character about?

[jakecronus8]

If they let Moxley go full Moxley, casuals are going to understand how badly WWE botched a sure fire star.

What is Moxley's character about?

Basically a mix of Loose cannon Brian Pillman and Prime Raven if that makes sense. Those are the first two that came to mind at least. His work is essentially the same except he does hardcore spots too (which I'm just not a fan of).

[JohnPferdelack]

If they let Moxley go full Moxley, casuals are going to understand how badly WWE botched a sure fire star.

What is Moxley's character about?

Basically a mix of Loose cannon Brian Pillman and Prime Raven if that makes sense. Those are the first two that came to mind at least. His work is essentially the same except he does hardcore spots too (which I'm just not a fan of).

Such a ECW direction? Sandman^^? Tommy Dreamer?^^

[Spens1]

What is Moxley's character about?

Basically a mix of Loose cannon Brian Pillman and Prime Raven if that makes sense. Those are the first two that came to mind at least. His work is essentially the same except he does hardcore spots too (which I'm just not a fan of).

Such a ECW direction? Sandman^^? Tommy Dreamer?^^

He is very much a late 90's ECW type. (Raven mixed with Pillman mixed with a bit of Sandman and the Joker)

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[jakecronus8]

Fun little exercise inspired by listening to some old Conrad/Bruce podcasts. When you think of individual Mania events, what are the first names that come to mind?

1-Hogan: The one that started it all
2-No one: All around terrible show known mostly for being terrible
3-Andre: Could be Hogan too but to me the build was more about Andre being unstoppable
4-Macho: Good ending to an otherwise forgettable long show
5-Macho: Played the justifiable heel perfectly in the build
6-Warrior: I cried as a kid seeing Hogan lose.
7-Macho: One of a handful of genuinely tearful moments in wwe history when him and Liz reconciled
8-Macho: Disappointing show but he and Flair had MOTN
9-Bret: Even as a kid I knew he got screwed over. Didn't care about Hogan at that point and was pissed.
10-Bret: Marked out hard when he beat Yoko. Still felt bad for Owen
11-Pamela Anderson: I was a huge Hart mark so only thing I remember from this show was boobs.
12-HBK: I was sad to see Bret lose but was also digging Shawn by that point
13-Bret: Strange moment in my wrestling fandom feeling like the minority cheering for Bret
14-Austin: Too obvious
15-Rock: Underwhelmed with a guy like him being in the main at that point
16-Foley: Weird four way angle but I marked for his return
17-Vince: The unholy alliance was born but for some reason I always remember his hilarious old man in the gym ring gear.
18-Hogan: Nostalgia got me
19-Austin: Unspoken but everyone knew this was it. End of an era
20-Goldberg: Him and lesnar getting sh*t on was fun
21-Cena: Super Cena was born. Fun to go back and watch the crowd genuinely behind him
22-Mickie James: the um, I'll say "tongue spot" was great
23-No One: went back and looked at this card. Nothing stood out.
24-Flair: I'm sorry. I love you. All time moment
25-HBK: Proved he still was the top wrestler in the world.
26-HBK: end of another era.
27-Trips: Didn't know he had that kind of match in him.
28-Taker: Falsie after the super kick was the first time I ever thought the streak was over
29-Rock: Looked so bad and gassed in the ring and the booking of the main was horrendous finisher spamming
30-Bryan: Fan made moment. Genuinely moving
31-Rollins: Saved the day!
32-Reigns: Surreal seeing a main event get shat on that badly.
33-Hardyz: Loud loud pop
34-Rousey: Still shocking how great she was in that match
35-Lynch: will be remembered moreso for wasted heat and potential. Her chase ended with a whimper.

[Scott Hall]

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