WWE Raw Discussion III

tugs · Post #1081 » by **tugs** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:03 am

Ruzious wrote:
tugs wrote:Unsure what MVPs role is going to be but the way he pushed Drew in that segment was perfectly executed. This build for the next top face is really going well. Hopefully they won't screw this up.

MVP is probably going to be an "advocate". I think he's done as a regular in-ring performer - he even basically said as much in the segment with Drew. He did nothing athletic in his match with Rey. But he's a great talker.

Yep, saw somewhere he's transitioning into a backstage role

Post #1082 » by **Stanford** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:43 am

Why is it always **** Nattie though? She's fine, but nobody cares

Scott Hall · Post #1083 » by **Scott Hall** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 am

They need to build Shayna and get her some wins and momentum. Nattie can put her over and the
loss won't hurt her as opposed to someone like Asuka.

The latest Ruthless Aggression episode was pretty interesting not surprised to hear that Vince doesn't
like factions/stables and has to be sold on them. Also I always wondered why the Dudley Boyz were
canned in 2004 and not brought back for years after.

Sounds like Bubba Ray intentionally injured Orton and Batista in a tag match sometime in 2003 he claims
it was an accident and a bad day at the office and he got hurt as well. Batista said he was always a prick
and I believe him an Orton have squabbled on twitter before. They thought Bubba Ray was being the old school
veteran that wasn't a fan of these young undeserving kids getting these big spots so he was gonna take liberties
with them. If he did bad idea when HHH and Vince are trying to create new stars with Austin, Rock and Hogan
pretty much retiring.

Always got the vibe that Bubba Ray was a legit D-Bag which actually made him a really good heel as Bully Ray.
He could be a hard personality to be around and I think they were always cool with D-Von and had no issues.

Shemy · Post #1084 » by **Shemy** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:58 pm

^ According to a shoot interview by Rene Dupree, the Dudley’s had a run in with La Resistance backstage after a match where Sylvian Grenier talked to Bubba about being stiff in the match and Bubba pretty much responded by popping Sylvian...Sylvian was super close with Pat Patterson so that prolly didn’t go over well backstage, along with the incident involving Batista and Orton, helped show them the door

Interesting episode, glad they talked about Jindrak lol the guy still looks in phenomenal shape he challenged HHH on Twitter :lol:

Scott Hall · Post #1085 » by **Scott Hall** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:35 pm

Shemy wrote:^ According to a shoot interview by Rene Dupree, the Dudley’s had a run in with La Resistance backstage after a match where Sylvian Grenier talked to Bubba about being stiff in the match and Bubba pretty much responded by popping Sylvian...Sylvian was super close with Pat Patterson so that prolly didn’t go over well backstage, along with the incident involving Batista and Orton, helped show them the door

Interesting episode, glad they talked about Jindrak lol the guy still looks in phenomenal shape he challenged HHH on Twitter

Yeah I completely forgot about that. Sounds like Bubba Ray was like a mini Bradshaw thought he was an authority
figure and like a leader for the boys or locker room when the office or higher ups didn't like him like that. Also
Vince never "created" the Dudleys so they had that going against them.

Yeah to bad TNA or ROH never picked him up wrestling in Mexico all those years is like wrestling in Siberia
next to nobody gets to watch it and dirt sheets don't really even report on them.

It would actually be kind of cool if during Orton vs. Edges match at WM they book it like like Sting vs. HHH. Have
Batista and HHH run in to try and help Orton win the match then have Christian and Gangrel or Jeff Hardy run in
and help Edge win the match they all get fought off. Then a guy in a mask comes in and costs Orton and it ends up
Mark Jindrak. They have a built in story and fresh feud for Orton and they can take a look and see if Jindrak is
worth signing to a deal.

iMoreland · Post #1086 » by **iMoreland** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 3:04 am

Beth Phoenix and Shayna Baszler are the same age lmao. "This is boring" chants during her first raw match. Great start.

Post #1087 » by **Stanford** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 1:05 pm

Shayna is not boring. Wrestling fans are generally morons.

Post #1088 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 1:56 pm

It was sad to see Shayna vs Sane be such an inconsequential and predictable match. They had some great matches in NXT. She's very deliberate, but that shouldn't be a negative for a classic big heel. And in her last big NXT match, she put on a classic with Ripley that brought the house down and built up Ripley to another level. But WWE felt like Bazzler needed something more, so they had her bite The Man. That lost her credibility, because it showed WWE lacked confidence in her ablity. You save crap stuff like that for the wrestlers who can't get by on talent; not on an elite performer.

Scott Hall · Post #1089 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 2:44 pm

I thoroughly enjoyed RAW last night from top to bottom can't remember the last time I said that.
To bad Wrestlemania season couldn't be all year around. When the company actually puts some effort
into things you can see how good the shows and product can be. Also loving these hot crowds we've
been getting both in WWE and AEW they really add to the shows.

The_Brecht · Post #1090 » by **The_Brecht** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 5:08 pm

Interesting to see where they(re going with Ricochet.
Surely they're not just going to bury him?

JohnPferdelack · Post #1091 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 7:28 pm

The_Brecht wrote:Interesting to see where they(re going with Ricochet.
Surely they're not just going to bury him?

Ricochet has no future in the WWE. He is by this time Cedric Alexander 2.0

Post #1092 » by **loserX** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 7:50 pm

That's the Drew McIntyre people want to see. The smiley, John Cena playing-to-the-crowd stuff doesn't really work for him, and that's alright. Not everyone is cut out for that. Just let him savagely and fearlessly hit his power moves on huge dudes and the crowd will eat it up.

LLJ · Post #1093 » by **LLJ** » Tue Mar 3, 2020 11:31 pm

Ruzious wrote:It was sad to see Shayna vs Sane be such an inconsequential and predictable match. They had some great matches in NXT. She's very deliberate, but that shouldn't be a negative for a classic big heel. And in her last big NXT match, she put on a classic with Ripley that brought the house down and built up Ripley to another level. But WWE felt like Bazzler needed something more, so they had her bite The Man. That lost her credibility, because it showed WWE lacked confidence in her ablity. You save crap stuff like that for the wrestlers who can't get by on talent; not on an elite performer.

The fact that they're getting desperate and even considered feeding Asuka to her on a totally random RAW (if it really wasn't a bait and switch and Asuka's injury is in fact legit) shows that they're getting nervous that Shayna's not working so far with the main roster crowds.

Shayna has a great look and presence of a heel, but they're trying to force something to happen in 2 months with her.This should never have been the situation in the first place if they had called her up earlier and built her up more organically.

But this isn't the only women's match with an issue of heat. I'm not feeling a whole lot of casual interest in Rhea v Charlotte either. And Bayley still doesn't have a clear challenger.

Spens1 · Post #1094 » by **Spens1** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 6:01 am

Not as cut up about Ricochet but unless its going somewhere i have no idea why you have him lose to Riddick Moss :lol:

Scott Hall · Post #1095 » by **Scott Hall** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 2:33 pm

Spens1 wrote:Not as cut up about Ricochet but unless its going somewhere i have no idea why you have him lose to Riddick Moss

I read a report yesterday that Meltzer said Vince has completely given up on Ricochet I'm guessing because of
how bad his mic skills are and it could be a Cedric Alexander type burial

LLJ · Post #1096 » by **LLJ** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 3:29 pm

I don't get the purpose of Vince burying his own employees. They're all potential moneymakers, so it's just foolhardy to basically kill your own investments like this time and again. Hell, even the people they actually like, such as Roman, they have sabotaged in the past from gaining too much momentum. Really strange stuff. I guess the brand really is bigger than the star.

It explains why they have no generational stars now and haven't had any for years, and why they need to have these senior citizens appear to pop a rating or PPV buyrate.

improper · Post #1097 » by **improper** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 10:22 pm

Scott Hall wrote:I read a report yesterday that Meltzer said Vince has completely given up on Ricochet I'm guessing because of
how bad his mic skills are and it could be a Cedric Alexander type burial

Such a shame, because Ricochet is amazing and proved that he could be the top guy on Lucha Underground without even talking in the first season. Still, not surprising.

Just wish they'd send him back to NXT rather than simply burying him. In NXT he'd instantly be one of the top stars and be able to work to his true ability. Give me Ricochet against Gargano, Ciampa, O'Reilly, Strong...so many awesome potential matches.

Coach Smiley · Post #1098 » by **Coach Smiley** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 10:29 pm

Has NXT even produced anyone of significance on the main roster? Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of it? Look at all the main event talent OVW produced for them, even FCW to an extent.

iMoreland · Post #1099 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 10:41 pm

Coach Smiley wrote:Has NXT even produced anyone of significance on the main roster? Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of it? Look at all the main event talent OVW produced for them, even FCW to an extent.

Becky
Seth
Roman
KO
Drew
Corbin
Wyatt
Shinsuke

LLJ · Post #1100 » by **LLJ** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 12:38 am

iMoreland wrote:
Coach Smiley wrote:Has NXT even produced anyone of significance on the main roster? Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of it? Look at all the main event talent OVW produced for them, even FCW to an extent.

Becky
Seth
Roman
KO
Drew
Corbin
Wyatt
Shinsuke

"Significance" is a relative term. If going by your list, then the standards are anyone who's won a title on the main roster could be included. That would mean NXT people are a huge success. But we know there's more to "success" than holding a title or being in a title match or two. Have Shinsuke and KO been "successful"? Yeah they've done some stuff. Are they as big as they should be? You could argue nope.

If going by current top people, then Becky, Seth, Roman and Charlotte are only included.

If going by actual needle movers and people on the cultural level of a Cena, Rock or Austin? Absolutely nobody.