All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[daoneandonly]

I dont think its even a comparison anymore. I dont watch any WWE programming, maybe the occasional SD beginning or end to see what Reigns is doing, but otherwise I'm all AEW

[Ruzious]

Apparently WWE's last pitch to Cole (to get him to stay) was to debut him on Smackdown as a heel manager... Vince also said to not consider Danielson or Cole as big loss. Seems like a weird thing to say about a dude that was in your WM main event 6 months ago and a guy in Cole who Vince and Pritchard both met with to get to stay within the last week. Some heavy PR spins coming out of WWE.

Even I'm more interested in AEW than WWE now. Vince is a fool if he doesn't understand Cole's value. Punk's the best in the world, Cole's the best promo in the world, and Danielson (it's good to call him that again) is the best in-ring in the world.

[improper]

Apparently WWE's last pitch to Cole (to get him to stay) was to debut him on Smackdown as a heel manager... Vince also said to not consider Danielson or Cole as big loss. Seems like a weird thing to say about a dude that was in your WM main event 6 months ago and a guy in Cole who Vince and Pritchard both met with to get to stay within the last week. Some heavy PR spins coming out of WWE.

Imagine having the gall to ask Adam Cole, a 32 year old who has been one of the best performers in your company for the last four years, to be a f*cking manager.

[Scott Hall]

Apparently WWE's last pitch to Cole (to get him to stay) was to debut him on Smackdown as a heel manager... Vince also said to not consider Danielson or Cole as big loss. Seems like a weird thing to say about a dude that was in your WM main event 6 months ago and a guy in Cole who Vince and Pritchard both met with to get to stay within the last week. Some heavy PR spins coming out of WWE.

Imagine having the gall to ask Adam Cole, a 32 year old who has been one of the best performers in your company for the last four years, to be a f*cking manager.

Reminds me of when he acquired Scotty Flamingo from WCW in his prime turned him into
Johnny Polo had him manage the Quebecers then turned him into an announcer on Superstars
then soured on him as an announcer quickly and brought back Lawler who was on hiatus from
his rape charges. Then Scotty flourished on his own in ECW and WCW as Raven.

[improper]

Reminds me of when he acquired Scotty Flamingo from WCW in his prime turned him into
Johnny Polo had him manage the Quebecers then turned him into an announcer on Superstars
then soured on him as an announcer quickly and brought back Lawler who was on hiatus from
his rape charges. Then Scotty flourished on his own in ECW and WCW as Raven.

At least Cole was one of the few lucky ones who got to walk away from the company on top of NXT. He never got sullied by Vince's main roster tinkering like Aleister Black or countless others did.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

I haven’t seen a ton of Adam Cole in NXT or elsewhere. So I looked at him and his debut with somewhat ‘fresh’ eyes. Right off that bat, the guy looks like somebody — like a star. Even if he’s somewhat undersized, he looks bigger/more like a grown man than the Bucks do, and has a better overall look than Omega.

A few posters above me have mentioned him being a great promo and I’ll take your word for it, because as soon as he took the mic, I was like “okay, this guys a smooth talker.” Love his theme song too; TK has done such a great job in securing great songs in AEW. In the early to mid 2000’s you could listen to an anthology of wrestling music, but somewhere in the past 15 years that’s kind of been thrown by the way side.

[Marcus]

I haven’t seen a ton of Adam Cole in NXT or elsewhere. So I looked at him and his debut with somewhat ‘fresh’ eyes. Right off that bat, the guy looks like somebody — like a star. Even if he’s somewhat undersized, he looks bigger/more like a grown man than the Bucks do, and has a better overall look than Omega.

A few posters above me have mentioned him being a great promo and I’ll take your word for it, because as soon as he took the mic, I was like “okay, this guys a smooth talker.”

he's a guy that's legit only size away from carrying any company. Great as a face or heel, solo or faction, chasing the belt or holding it, underdog or favorite, comedy or serious, catchphrases, crowd chants with him, one of the best if not the best talker in the game, marketable looks, isn't known for anything crazy in his day to day, can wrestle any style of match, sells believably, scalable moveset, has never looked like a guy unwilling to do a job. Bout as natural and built for wrestling as they come. Could have easily been a mod-day Michaels Flair mashup at his last gig if Vince could get past the height/weight requirement.

Love the fact he joined The Elite, IMO made the most sense considering what we all know outside of WWE. Curios to see how much if any of a crossover they give him with Britt.

[Scott Hall]

I'm in the minority about Adam Cole... I don't think he has a great look at all about 5'9 at best long hair skinny
guy his eyes are kind of weird and he kind of looks like a rat I know that sounds harsh but just being honest.
If I was a kid I wouldn't be buying his action figure because he looks cool or like an athlete. He just has that
Indy wannabe wrestler stench to me.

No doubt he's a great talker and promo one of the best in the game and he's a good worker but not sure if he's
any better then some of the other good to great workers out there. He's another guy that is super over in the
wrestling bubble but I don't think he will appeal to the lapsed or casual fan.

What's interesting to me is AEW is loaded with beta males right now and beta males in key prominent top spots
which has never been done before as Wrestling has traditionally always been an Alpha Male business or led by
Alpha Males. It's gonna be interesting to see if that has any barring at all on things.

[bondom34]

Well this just hit me.

Vince also said to not consider Danielson or Cole as big loss.Seems like a weird thing to say about a dude that was in your WM main event 6 months ago and a guy in Cole who Vince and Pritchard both met with to get to stay within the last week. Some heavy PR spins coming out of WWE.

Yea to steal what somebody said on the GB:

WWE = Knicks

AEW= Nets

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843598-knicks-rumors-james-dolan-wasnt-prepared-to-give-kevin-durant-max-contract

ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Wojnarowski reported a reason Durant may have looked past the Knicks, noting that owner James Dolan and the team "were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury."

[tugs]

I've underestimated Cole's mic work. Got so used to the angry, former UE leader that when he delivered that "fairy tale" story, I got surprised how calm his demeanor is. And having that connection with BC The Elite makes their promos more engaging.

Concerned though how they'll utilize their roster. Their supposed alpha before was Mox and now they got him challenging international wrestlers left and right (which I am a fan of). And the formation of an eventual stable to counter the BC.

[improper]

I've underestimated Cole's mic work. Got so used to the angry, former UE leader that when he delivered that "fairy tale" story, I got surprised how calm his demeanor is. And having that connection with BC The Elite makes their promos more engaging.

Concerned though how they'll utilize their roster. Their supposed alpha before was Mox and now they got him challenging international wrestlers left and right (which I am a fan of). And the formation of an eventual stable to counter the BC.

I like what they're doing with Moxley. His character can function without a belt just working stiff matches with everyone for a while. AEW has plenty of guys who they can rotate in and out of the main event scene. The key is that you just need to do interesting things with guys when they're not in that scene. That's what WWE hasn't been able to successfully do in the past ten years. They build up one or two guys on each show, but they don't make anyone else feel like they matter and so they don't. You can make guys matter without putting a belt on them. WWE just doesn't do it.

[jakecronus8]

Well this just hit me.

Vince also said to not consider Danielson or Cole as big loss.Seems like a weird thing to say about a dude that was in your WM main event 6 months ago and a guy in Cole who Vince and Pritchard both met with to get to stay within the last week. Some heavy PR spins coming out of WWE.

Yea to steal what somebody said on the GB:

WWE = Knicks

AEW= Nets

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843598-knicks-rumors-james-dolan-wasnt-prepared-to-give-kevin-durant-max-contract

ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Wojnarowski reported a reason Durant may have looked past the Knicks, noting that owner James Dolan and the team "were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury."

When it comes to Punk and Bryan, I can believe that Vince has convinced himself they aren’t big losses. Both guys are on the back 9 of their careers and I think he already knew deep down they wouldn’t get either.

I’m not a big Adam Cole guy, but I do believe he is the most important of all the recent signees because of the symbolism.

Cole is smack dab in the middle of his prime and is arguably the top “worker” in the country. Wwe tried to keep him and failed. He jumped ship and I think what that means to the business far outshines any tangible things he’ll do in AEW. A potential changing of the guard if you will.

[Pharaoh]

Think Danielson leaving is more of a issue for WWE than Cole

Apparently Bryan LOVED working in WWE, had no issue with Vince or the company at all...

But he left anyway!

How many people love their job and work place and still leave?

Seems AEW is already viewed as a better place go be!



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[Pharaoh]

Re: All Out

From all reports it was almost the perfect show! (I haven't watched it yet)

We've discussed the issues with their TV show and we'll see what we see moving forward but based on everything I've seen and read they hit it out of the park with All Out.

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[daoneandonly]

Rumors now circulating about Kevin Owens (Steen). Apparently on one of his social media accounts, he put Mount Rushmore as his location, stating almost there. Back in the day, he was in a stable with Cole and the Bucks called Mount Rushmore. His contract expires in Jan

[jakecronus8]

Re: All Out

From all reports it was almost the perfect show! (I haven't watched it yet)

We've discussed the issues with their TV show and we'll see what we see moving forward but based on everything I've seen and read they hit it out of the park with All Out.

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IMO, as a wrestling show All Out was very good and had huge moments with Punk, Bryan, Cole. The actual wrestling on the show I believe is being propped up by those moments. If you remove the fact that it was Punk’s debut, and Bryan/Cole showing up it was just pretty good.

I think the ultimate barometer as a fan is whether or not you enjoy that Young Bucks spectacle style of match.

[Flames24Rulz]

Rumors now circulating about Kevin Owens (Steen). Apparently on one of his social media accounts, he put Mount Rushmore as his location, stating almost there. Back in the day, he was in a stable with Cole and the Bucks called Mount Rushmore. His contract expires in Jan

If WWE lets him walk out of their door, without re-signing him, they're totally lost as a company. He's one of the most talented guys in the ring, on the mic, can work as a major face or a major heel, and you'd really want to lose that guy for nothing? He's done it on the main roster too, so Vince hasn't even been able to ruin him like he has countless others that made the jump from NXT to RAW/SD.

KO in AEW would be so much fun -- work him along with the Elite, or you could have him rekindle the JeriKO team too.

[Marcus]

Rumors now circulating about Kevin Owens (Steen). Apparently on one of his social media accounts, he put Mount Rushmore as his location, stating almost there. Back in the day, he was in a stable with Cole and the Bucks called Mount Rushmore. His contract expires in Jan

Loved that faction. PWG had some gold moments

[Marcus]

I've underestimated Cole's mic work. Got so used to the angry, former UE leader that when he delivered that "fairy tale" story, I got surprised how calm his demeanor is. And having that connection with BC The Elite makes their promos more engaging.

Concerned though how they'll utilize their roster. Their supposed alpha before was Mox and now they got him challenging international wrestlers left and right (which I am a fan of). And the formation of an eventual stable to counter the BC.

I like what they're doing with Moxley. His character can function without a belt just working stiff matches with everyone for a while. AEW has plenty of guys who they can rotate in and out of the main event scene. The key is that you just need to do interesting things with guys when they're not in that scene. That's what WWE hasn't been able to successfully do in the past ten years. They build up one or two guys on each show, but they don't make anyone else feel like they matter and so they don't. You can make guys matter without putting a belt on them. WWE just doesn't do it.

that was the one curiosity i always had with AEW. How do justify keeping someone out of the title scene with them tracking Wins and Losses and having them on display. but so far they've done a good job with it by having it matter yet not at the same time.

[improper]

IMO, as a wrestling show All Out was very good and had huge moments with Punk, Bryan, Cole. The actual wrestling on the show I believe is being propped up by those moments. If you remove the fact that it was Punk’s debut, and Bryan/Cole showing up it was just pretty good.

I think the ultimate barometer as a fan is whether or not you enjoy that Young Bucks spectacle style of match.

Personally, I like the Bucks style of match, but I don't want a whole show of that style. When you've got one or two matches like that on a card, it mixes things up a bit and provides something different and fresh. The best wrestling shows should have a blend of styles that vary from match to match depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the performers.

My main complaint with All Out was that they had a lot of the same spots in several different matches, with basically half the matches having a segment where the two competitors exchanged Flair chops and NJPW elbows to the neck. They really need to iron that crap out and have the performers communicate with people in other matches better so there's less overlap. It reminded me of the recent NXT Takeover where you had back to back matches with basically the same submission finish. It's just lazy booking.