WWE General Discussion II

[jakecronus8]

Just got in a debate with longtime respected wrestling journalist Mike Mooneyham this man has been
covering wrestling since most of us were even born.

He tweeted that Flair is the GOAT me and a couple of people took exception with that. He literally has nothing
to prove that Flair is the GOAT in anything he's pretty much tapped out of the convo. Really though he's a guy from
the Carolinas aka Flair country who's grew up on 70's-80's NWA and I'm just exposing that he's a Flair fanboy.

I guess we're all marks even guys like Meltzer, Mooneyham, Vince and even the boys.

As for Flair he probably was the GOAT in the mid 80's but there's been way better Draws, workers and
possibly mic workers (debatable). But unless you're a guy who was born in the late 60's early 70's and grew
up on him especially in the South what makes Ric Flair the GOAT in any measure? He was never the guy
in any of the wrestling booms.

That’s the beauty of it. In his mind Flair is the best so to him Flair is the best. Doesn’t matter what others think.

[Ruzious]

Please tell me you guys aren't really arguing against Flair's importance to the industry. And I'm saying that as someone who grew up with the WWF.

[LLJ]

Flair was the last big star of the territories era. But I would argue from the end of Jim Crockett Promotions and on, there were more important performers than him when he was active after the territories were swallowed up by the WWF and WCW.

[Scott Hall]

Just got in a debate with longtime respected wrestling journalist Mike Mooneyham this man has been
covering wrestling since most of us were even born.

He tweeted that Flair is the GOAT me and a couple of people took exception with that. He literally has nothing
to prove that Flair is the GOAT in anything he's pretty much tapped out of the convo. Really though he's a guy from
the Carolinas aka Flair country who's grew up on 70's-80's NWA and I'm just exposing that he's a Flair fanboy.

I guess we're all marks even guys like Meltzer, Mooneyham, Vince and even the boys.

As for Flair he probably was the GOAT in the mid 80's but there's been way better Draws, workers and
possibly mic workers (debatable). But unless you're a guy who was born in the late 60's early 70's and grew
up on him especially in the South what makes Ric Flair the GOAT in any measure? He was never the guy
in any of the wrestling booms.

That’s the beauty of it. In his mind Flair is the best so to him Flair is the best. Doesn’t matter what others think.

Yup that's how these things usually turn out.... wrestling debates are pretty hard to have because so much of it
is subjective. I have my favorites but I think their place in history isn't debatable.

I also try to be objective and be a complete realist. Even though I can't stand Shawn Michaels I will never short
change him or his place in history.

Please tell me you guys aren't really arguing against Flair's importance to the industry. And I'm saying that as someone who grew up with the WWF.

No it was just a Flair is "GOAT" debate nobody isn't saying he isn't on Mount Rushmore but GOAT?

Like I asked Mooneyham tell me one thing Flair was GOAT at and like the kids say he left the chat

[Dominator83]

SCSA in Larry King said if he could have one last match in wwe his dream opponent is CM Punk. He then said he’d consider actually doing it.

Punk then goes and adds it to his IG story.

Couple of cock teases, those two.

Would they put on a good match at this point though? I do think that both have good story telling skills in the ring so they can probably make it interesting.

[Dominator83]

Just got in a debate with longtime respected wrestling journalist Mike Mooneyham this man has been
covering wrestling since most of us were even born.

He tweeted that Flair is the GOAT me and a couple of people took exception with that. He literally has nothing
to prove that Flair is the GOAT in anything he's pretty much tapped out of the convo. Really though he's a guy from
the Carolinas aka Flair country who's grew up on 70's-80's NWA and I'm just exposing that he's a Flair fanboy.

I guess we're all marks even guys like Meltzer, Mooneyham, Vince and even the boys.

As for Flair he probably was the GOAT in the mid 80's but there's been way better Draws, workers and
possibly mic workers (debatable). But unless you're a guy who was born in the late 60's early 70's and grew
up on him especially in the South what makes Ric Flair the GOAT in any measure? He was never the guy
in any of the wrestling booms.

That’s the beauty of it. In his mind Flair is the best so to him Flair is the best. Doesn’t matter what others think.

Yup that's how these things usually turn out.... wrestling debates are pretty hard to have because so much of it
is subjective. I have my favorites but I think their place in history isn't debatable.

I also try to be objective and be a complete realist. Even though I can't stand Shawn Michaels I will never short
change him or his place in history.

Please tell me you guys aren't really arguing against Flair's importance to the industry. And I'm saying that as someone who grew up with the WWF.

No it was just a Flair is "GOAT" debate nobody isn't saying he isn't on Mount Rushmore but GOAT?

Like I asked Mooneyham tell me one thing Flair was GOAT at and like the kids say he left the chat

Yea Flair is one of the best at being a draw, a character, being over, etc. But in the ring, he was OK. Didn't suck but was OK. Guys like Michael's and Hart were far better in the ring. And I think Hogan and the Rock have Flair beat as far as just larger than life superstars that were over AF. The argument against the Rock of course being that he wasn't in the business very long. But I'll take prime Rock over prime Flair any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditto for prime Steve Austin.

[jakecronus8]

SCSA in Larry King said if he could have one last match in wwe his dream opponent is CM Punk. He then said he’d consider actually doing it.

Punk then goes and adds it to his IG story.

Couple of cock teases, those two.

Would they put on a good match at this point though? I do think that both have good story telling skills in the ring so they can probably make it interesting.

I think Punk having not wrestled in 7 years is still better than prime Rock was ever in the ring and same for Austin and Hulk Hogan. Point being, Hogan and Rock were able to do it in a mania setting. No doubt Austin and Punk could and given the fact that well before Punk left people were pining for it I’d be pretty confident. The chemistry as characters is undeniable. I watch this video probably a few times a year and I’m always amazed by how this short bit advertisement for a video game with two guys who’ve never worked in the ring together, without a script is more compelling and more desirable as a viewer than anything wwe has done in years.

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[Scott Hall]

That’s the beauty of it. In his mind Flair is the best so to him Flair is the best. Doesn’t matter what others think.

Yup that's how these things usually turn out.... wrestling debates are pretty hard to have because so much of it
is subjective. I have my favorites but I think their place in history isn't debatable.

I also try to be objective and be a complete realist. Even though I can't stand Shawn Michaels I will never short
change him or his place in history.

Please tell me you guys aren't really arguing against Flair's importance to the industry. And I'm saying that as someone who grew up with the WWF.

No it was just a Flair is "GOAT" debate nobody isn't saying he isn't on Mount Rushmore but GOAT?

Like I asked Mooneyham tell me one thing Flair was GOAT at and like the kids say he left the chat

Yea Flair is one of the best at being a draw, a character, being over, etc. But in the ring, he was OK. Didn't suck but was OK. Guys like Michael's and Hart were far better in the ring. And I think Hogan and the Rock have Flair beat as far as just larger than life superstars that were over AF. The argument against the Rock of course being that he wasn't in the business very long. But I'll take prime Rock over prime Flair any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditto for prime Steve Austin.

Agreed... if you take a hot tub machine back to the year to say 1986 then I'd say yeah at that point in time he
was the Greatest in history. But he got passed up by quite a few guys it's part of "Evolution" pun intended lol

A lot of Flairs greatest matches don't even hold up anymore his matches against Steamboat are still good but
it's 2020 there's been a lot better.

[Dominator83]

Yup that's how these things usually turn out.... wrestling debates are pretty hard to have because so much of it
is subjective. I have my favorites but I think their place in history isn't debatable.

I also try to be objective and be a complete realist. Even though I can't stand Shawn Michaels I will never short
change him or his place in history.



No it was just a Flair is "GOAT" debate nobody isn't saying he isn't on Mount Rushmore but GOAT?

Like I asked Mooneyham tell me one thing Flair was GOAT at and like the kids say he left the chat

Yea Flair is one of the best at being a draw, a character, being over, etc. But in the ring, he was OK. Didn't suck but was OK. Guys like Michael's and Hart were far better in the ring. And I think Hogan and the Rock have Flair beat as far as just larger than life superstars that were over AF. The argument against the Rock of course being that he wasn't in the business very long. But I'll take prime Rock over prime Flair any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditto for prime Steve Austin.

Agreed... if you take a hot tub machine back to the year to say 1986 then I'd say yeah at that point in time he
was the Greatest in history. But he got passed up by quite a few guys it's part of "Evolution" pun intended lol

A lot of Flairs greatest matches don't even hold up anymore his matches against Steamboat are still good but
it's 2020 there's been a lot better.

I would probably add Cena to that list too.

Come at me bros!

[Scott Hall]

Yea Flair is one of the best at being a draw, a character, being over, etc. But in the ring, he was OK. Didn't suck but was OK. Guys like Michael's and Hart were far better in the ring. And I think Hogan and the Rock have Flair beat as far as just larger than life superstars that were over AF. The argument against the Rock of course being that he wasn't in the business very long. But I'll take prime Rock over prime Flair any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ditto for prime Steve Austin.

Agreed... if you take a hot tub machine back to the year to say 1986 then I'd say yeah at that point in time he
was the Greatest in history. But he got passed up by quite a few guys it's part of "Evolution" pun intended lol

A lot of Flairs greatest matches don't even hold up anymore his matches against Steamboat are still good but
it's 2020 there's been a lot better.

I would probably add Cena to that list too.

Come at me bros!

[spykelee]

Such a subjective discussion. I def have flair on a wrestling Mt. Rushmore but realistically it runs a good 7-8 guys deep for a realistic shot at GOAT imo. Just depends what you value really. Flairs claim would have to be longevity, title reigns, respect, and crossover appeal. Probably in that order. But if you value in ring work at the top of your list, flair, though no slouch in the ring, wouldn't be at the top like say, HBK would. Or say, marketing and merchandising is your barometer. There's nobody who can hold a candle to Cena or a Hogan in that regard. Taker is no doubt the greatest character ever created and there probably isn't anyone as mutually respected as he is. I'm not sure anyone's peak was higher than Scsa and the rock undoubtedly has the largest crossover appeal of anyone in wrestlings history. Even a guy like HHH. In ring he's a top tier guy but not the best. But his contributions to the business outside of the ring will probably see him go down as one of the most influential people of all time. What do you value?

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[tugs]

Read somewhere that apparently the guest was Mandy Rose. The guy was planning on keeping Sonya right after Summerslam for some reason.

That's just next level right there.

[jakecronus8]

Agreed... if you take a hot tub machine back to the year to say 1986 then I'd say yeah at that point in time he
was the Greatest in history. But he got passed up by quite a few guys it's part of "Evolution" pun intended lol

A lot of Flairs greatest matches don't even hold up anymore his matches against Steamboat are still good but
it's 2020 there's been a lot better.

I would probably add Cena to that list too.

Come at me bros!

He’s right though. Cena is in my eyes the greatest ever, and I say that as someone who couldn’t stand him until about 4-5 years ago. Longevity, marketability, mic work, and he really developed into a tremendous worker. My biggest thing with Cena though is that for more than a decade he was simultaneously the biggest babyface and heel in the business, which is absolutely bonkers. Love or hate, 100% of fans were invested in and cared about what he was doing. The ones that try to call BS on that are the ones that will fire off a million tweets telling you why he’s so terrible, which just further proves my point.

[daoneandonly]

Renee Young has given her notice to WWE

As far as non wrestling talent, as big a loss as they can have.

[JohnPferdelack]

As far as non wrestling talent, as big a loss as they can have.

true!
Does anybody know her next emplyoer?
ESPN?
AEW?
FOX?

[jakecronus8]

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Not reaching out to the accuser and taking it seriously are about as contradicting as it can get. Then to just brush off the question and move on. This is sleezy as hell even by Vince and WWE standards. Shameful.

[Ruzious]

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Not reaching out to the accuser and taking it seriously are about as contradicting as it can get. Then to just brush off the question and move on. This is sleezy as hell even by Vince and WWE standards. Shameful.

Especially in this day and age, you have to at least investigate things like this. USA Today just had an article on Derrius Guice at LSU - where they failed to investigate rape charges - I expect LSU is going to get skewered just as badly as Guice will. The huge organizations are finally finding that the times have changed, and you cannot sweep things under the rug when your money tickets f up.

[jakecronus8]

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This. Looks.

Really cool to be honest. If this concept works I’d like to see them try it when the world goes back to normal. I’d bet it would do wonders both look and sound wise for those smaller shows where they’d normally tarp off whole sections of arenas. Intimate atmosphere with large scale feel could be really unique and fun.

[Scott Hall]

Just saw #FireVelveteenDream trending

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[JohnPferdelack]

Really bad choice to ignore this.
WWE have so many wrestler under contract, they certainly can replace Dream's spot without a doubt.