WWE SmackDown Discussion II

jakecronus8 · Post #1661 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat Jul 4, 2020 3:48 am

If you think The Undertaker has worked his last match, I have a bridge to sell you.

iMoreland · Post #1662 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Jul 4, 2020 4:32 am

Is the plan for the Braun/Bray storyline to create a Braun counterpart version of The Fiend?

If so, a masked black sheep Strowman sounds awesome. Shouldn't be some plastic crap mask either. Make it like The Fiend's mask.

Post #1663 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Jul 4, 2020 9:36 am

Scott Hall wrote:
spykelee wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?
Def mt Rushmore for me. He's the greatest character ever created and as far as respect from their peers goes, there isnt anyone better. For me personally, I have hbk at the top of mt Rushmore, but taker is there with stone cold, Cena, rock and hogan/flair.. Probably at the back of that list but still on the mountain. Man this debate is impossible really.. Even to just pick 5 is so hard but yea I think taker belongs on Rushmore.. I lost respect for him every Match he came back and wrestled after he laid his boots and coat down.

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Yeah it's a hard list to make especially factoring in every possible measure there's the business/drawing part of it
then there's the wrestling logic part of it. Also hard for a lot of people to be completely objective and not be biased
or rank their personal favs higher.

Yeah Taker coming back after his retirement was kinda bush league funny how the documentary doesn't mention Saudi
Arabia offering him crazy money to come back quickly.

improper wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Say Undertaker is really retired...

Where do you guys rank him all-time? Is he Mount Rushmore? Top 10? Top 20?

I'd say top ten. His late-career stink bombs kind of take away from his legacy a bit for me. He should have hung up the boots when Brock beat him, or put over Bray the next year and then walked away.

Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

I was one of those people that was glad when the streak was over. I thought it was getting played out and predictable
and started to take away from Wrestlemania a bit. It was like defending the streak once a year from this old guy was
more important then guys in their prime going for the tittle. Same thing with HHH having his big once a year match
at WM. I don't mind it once in awhile but it was getting stale every year.

Still gotta give Taker his due he's in a lot of the best matches in history and while a lot of them may be gimmick matches
that doesn't guarantee that the match will always be a classic. I think one thing that hurts Taker is from when he started
in the Golden Era all the way to the Pandemic Era he was never a top 3 guy. With that said he still had some drawing power
and a huge following in Saudi Arabia and maybe parts of Europe.

As for not putting anyone over on the way out usually I'd agree but under these circumstances I don't think it's a big deal
I don't think AJ Styles would benefit anymore if he won. The Fiend ending Taker once and for all would be cool but I don't
think Vince is as high on Wyatt as we think.

His debut was in 1987, so he's now wrestled in 5 different decades - that's amazing. Am I honestly entertained by watching him wrestle - no. WWE was very smart to make his last match more of a cinematic experience than a wrestling match.

The_Brecht · Post #1664 » by **The_Brecht** » Sat Jul 4, 2020 9:52 am

Morrisson vs Riddle was really awesome.

Scott Hall · Post #1665 » by **Scott Hall** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 10:21 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:
spykelee wrote:Def mt Rushmore for me. He's the greatest character ever created and as far as respect from their peers goes, there isnt anyone better. For me personally, I have hbk at the top of mt Rushmore, but taker is there with stone cold, Cena, rock and hogan/flair.. Probably at the back of that list but still on the mountain. Man this debate is impossible really.. Even to just pick 5 is so hard but yea I think taker belongs on Rushmore.. I lost respect for him every Match he came back and wrestled after he laid his boots and coat down.

Sent from my SM-N975W using RealGM mobile app

Yeah it's a hard list to make especially factoring in every possible measure there's the business/drawing part of it
then there's the wrestling logic part of it. Also hard for a lot of people to be completely objective and not be biased
or rank their personal favs higher.

Yeah Taker coming back after his retirement was kinda bush league funny how the documentary doesn't mention Saudi
Arabia offering him crazy money to come back quickly.

improper wrote:
I'd say top ten. His late-career stink bombs kind of take away from his legacy a bit for me. He should have hung up the boots when Brock beat him, or put over Bray the next year and then walked away.

Just wish he would have put someone over on the way out like basically every one of his peers did.

I was one of those people that was glad when the streak was over. I thought it was getting played out and predictable
and started to take away from Wrestlemania a bit. It was like defending the streak once a year from this old guy was
more important then guys in their prime going for the tittle. Same thing with HHH having his big once a year match
at WM. I don't mind it once in awhile but it was getting stale every year.

Still gotta give Taker his due he's in a lot of the best matches in history and while a lot of them may be gimmick matches
that doesn't guarantee that the match will always be a classic. I think one thing that hurts Taker is from when he started
in the Golden Era all the way to the Pandemic Era he was never a top 3 guy. With that said he still had some drawing power
and a huge following in Saudi Arabia and maybe parts of Europe.

As for not putting anyone over on the way out usually I'd agree but under these circumstances I don't think it's a big deal
I don't think AJ Styles would benefit anymore if he won. The Fiend ending Taker once and for all would be cool but I don't
think Vince is as high on Wyatt as we think.

His debut was in 1987, so he's now wrestled in 5 different decades - that's amazing. Am I honestly entertained by watching him wrestle - no. WWE was very smart to make his last match more of a cinematic experience than a wrestling match.

Yeah it's kind of funny that him and WWE very rarely ever talk about or acknowledge his tenure in WCW in the
late 80's. I'm also surprised he would announce his retirement where he can do more cinematic matches with
guys like Wyatt and Sting. Maybe his new gimmick will be the guy of fake retirements.

WRau1 · Post #1666 » by **WRau1** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 11:35 pm

Sting v Taker in a cinematic match would've been the best possible outcome for how late Sting came to the WWE. Kind of upset that we never got that dream match.

iMoreland · Post #1667 » by **iMoreland** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:21 am

They got this dude wearing a vest

iMoreland · Post #1668 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:40 am

Big E singles push!!! AJ (c) vs Big E at SummerSlam sounds great to me

The_Brecht · Post #1669 » by **The_Brecht** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:13 am

Sheamus should always wrestle in pants and boots.
Looks like a real bad***

Scott Hall · Post #1670 » by **Scott Hall** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:56 am

Yeah didn't know Sheamus had a 6 pack

tugs · Post #1671 » by **tugs** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:47 am

Just watched the Celtic Warrior Workout when Jeff was Sheamus' guest. These two just work well in everything they do

iMoreland · Post #1672 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Aug 1, 2020 3:21 am

That was a great ending to SmackDown, didn't see it coming at all

Dominator83 · Post #1673 » by **Dominator83** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 3:33 am

Looks like that new Stable is sorta like when Nexus meets Aces & 8's

JohnPferdelack · Post #1674 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 3:42 am

iMoreland wrote:That was a great ending to SmackDown, didn't see it coming at all

Yes, it was a surprise, but it was really really atrocious.
Are this Akira Tozawa's men?

iMoreland · Post #1675 » by **iMoreland** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 10:39 am

JohnPferdelack wrote:
iMoreland wrote:That was a great ending to SmackDown, didn't see it coming at all

Yes, it was a surprise, but it was really really atrocious.
Are this Akira Tozawa's men?

Lol I made that comment last week, when The Fiend attacked Alexa

JohnPferdelack · Post #1676 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 11:13 am

Most of them were very small people.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #1677 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 1:57 pm

The lack of six- and eight-person tag matches is amazing to me. They also need some managers since at least half their roster isn't good on the mic. I expect one of NXT's females to win the battle royal, but for me Deville is ready for a Championship run.

The quality has been up since Riddle came in, but still not great. Stick to the long wrestling matches like the show two shows ago. Push the cruiserweights, and even if he's not good in the ring I'd like to see the Fiend wrestle once in a while even if it's a six man tag match.

JohnPferdelack · Post #1678 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 2:09 pm

After this episode, my current question:
Is Sheamus now a face?
In the last weeks, he fought against J. Hardy and called him as a junkie. But since yesterdays episode, he seems to have a program with Corbin...

zappafrank · Post #1679 » by **zappafrank** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:16 am

wow that sure looks like Joseph Park!

tugs · Post #1680 » by **tugs** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:47 am

Kane vs Abyss confirmed!