WWE Raw Discussion III

Post #1661 » by **Stanford** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:07 am

I don't get it. I think she looks fine

tugs · Post #1662 » by **tugs** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:41 am

Puns aside though, Charlotte does look good, but I think she lost that powerhouse look when she shedded some pounds off. It's like from Beth Phoenix to Michelle McCool if that makes any sense

Dominator83 · Post #1663 » by **Dominator83** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:17 am

WRau1 wrote:I read a post on reddit that suggested The Fiend be a demonic possession, I thought that would be pretty awesome. Like it possessed Wyatt now it went to Bliss, after it's done with her it could travel to someone else. Each person putting their own spin on the gimmick. A big bonus to that is it can easily be explained when it's time for the current person to drop it. The idea reminds me a lot of a kind of Ghost Rider.

Like in Jason Goes to Hell

The_Brecht · Post #1664 » by **The_Brecht** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:30 pm

It's not the look per se.
I don't know what it is, but she doesn't look like she cares anymore.
Her selling is bad or even non existent sometimes.

tugs · Post #1665 » by **tugs** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:00 pm

The_Brecht wrote:It's not the look per se.
I don't know what it is, but she doesn't look like she cares anymore.
Her selling is bad or even non existent sometimes.

Yes! We've been saying that for some time now. Her selling is on and off, mostly off. It's like she takes time outs during a match

iMoreland · Post #1666 » by **iMoreland** » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:48 am

The roster is bigger than its ever been and they use the same 15 people every week on Raw

tugs · Post #1667 » by **tugs** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:07 am

iMoreland wrote:The roster is bigger than its ever been and they use the same 15 people every week on Raw

We are so close to Roman pre-tribal chief territory. I mean backstage segments to matches they're all the same. Really? Braun and Drew, then a handicap, then a tag, then a one on one wtf

The_Brecht · Post #1668 » by **The_Brecht** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:01 am

Randy Orton teaming up woth Matt Riddle for his 420th tv match on RAW.
That's just peak Randy.

I'm all for RKBro. We know the end result, but this has the potential to be awesome.

Dr Positivity · Post #1669 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:57 pm

Braun and Drew was pretty good I guess.

When a 6 man tag with Elias and Ryker is one of the highlights of Raw they have issues.

Just make Nikki Cross Lily, her crazy fits right in.

tugs · Post #1670 » by **tugs** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:48 am

The_Brecht wrote:Randy Orton teaming up woth Matt Riddle for his 420th tv match on RAW.
That's just peak Randy.

I'm all for RKBro. We know the end result, but this has the potential to be awesome.

Face Orton? Watch out for toe touch splits now

tugs · Post #1671 » by **tugs** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:52 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Braun and Drew was pretty good I guess.

When a 6 man tag with Elias and Ryker is one of the highlights of Raw they have issues.

Just make Nikki Cross Lily, her crazy fits right in.

Alexa has been killing the role but I feel bad for Bray, not sure what's next for him now. His gimmick given to Alexa, hope he signed off on that

Not sure if someone here said it or read it somewhere, about speculations that The Fiend is jumping from person to person. I think it's a good idea, kinda like the symbiote. Puts different spins to the character

Post #1672 » by **spykelee** » Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:57 am

Just cut Wyatt, he's been given no chance to succeed with his perpetual big match losses and quite frankly, outside of his promos which more often than not trend into mindless drivel anyways he has no value. I couldn't care less anytime he shows up on tv.

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tugs · Post #1673 » by **tugs** » Tue May 4, 2021 4:40 am

Huh, break up Shelton and Cedric. Not that they have plans for them anyway, becoming more of a jobber team

And curious that at the same episode, they're building a feud between Garza and Gulak. Guess it's really impossible to put in airtime for everyone

And lol at Riddle always pushing for the snakeskin speedos

tugs · Post #1674 » by **tugs** » Tue May 4, 2021 5:31 am

And wow WWE really can't move on from Eva Marie or what her character's supposed to be. She goes MIA, they repackaged Emma to Emmalina. We know how long that lasted, phew. Then almost the same gimmick with Carmella. She pulled it off, but kept majority of her character so I guess they scrapped that but let her keep her gear (those slips tho, better support for your top please, Mela, or else Corey's gonna lose it)

AND NOW, GUESS WHO'S BACK

tugs · Post #1675 » by **tugs** » Wed May 5, 2021 3:40 am

And how can we forget about Liv Morgan!

Flames24Rulz · Post #1676 » by **Flames24Rulz** » Tue May 18, 2021 7:35 pm

The amount of distracted/roll-up finishes is so damn lazy & uncreative. I think there were four matches last night that ended the exact same way.

Post #1677 » by **Stanford** » Tue May 18, 2021 10:04 pm

Flames24Rulz wrote:The amount of distracted/roll-up finishes is so damn lazy & uncreative. I think there were four matches last night that ended the exact same way.

What kinds of matches and finishes would you like to see on weekly TV? I find it difficult to book a TV show in my head long term. If you have squash matches, they're boring. If you have competitive matches between two credible wrestlers, the loser gets buried and loses credibility. If they get their win back the next week, it's 50/50 booking. If the finishes are designed to maintain the credibility of the loser, they're lazy and uncreative. If you only run promos and non-wrestling segments, it doesn't play to the strengths of performers.

Can anyone help me get my head around what a 3 hour weekly wrestling show would look like that wouldn't produce the above results?

tugs · Post #1678 » by **tugs** » Tue May 18, 2021 11:12 pm

Stanford wrote:
Flames24Rulz wrote:The amount of distracted/roll-up finishes is so damn lazy & uncreative. I think there were four matches last night that ended the exact same way.

What kinds of matches and finishes would you like to see on weekly TV? I find it difficult to book a TV show in my head long term. If you have squash matches, they're boring. If you have competitive matches between two credible wrestlers, the loser gets buried and loses credibility. If they get their win back the next week, it's 50/50 booking. If the finishes are designed to maintain the credibility of the loser, they're lazy and uncreative. If you only run promos and non-wrestling segments, it doesn't play to the strengths of performers.

Can anyone help me get my head around what a 3 hour weekly wrestling show would look like that wouldn't produce the above results?

Gotta say I share the same sentiments. Having a pool of talented workers isn't even helping

I know Punk was complaining about a ton of run-ins back then, but they were protected and it helped. Built redemption arcs and underdog storylines

Post #1679 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed May 19, 2021 6:09 pm

Stanford wrote:
Flames24Rulz wrote:The amount of distracted/roll-up finishes is so damn lazy & uncreative. I think there were four matches last night that ended the exact same way.

What kinds of matches and finishes would you like to see on weekly TV? I find it difficult to book a TV show in my head long term. If you have squash matches, they're boring. If you have competitive matches between two credible wrestlers, the loser gets buried and loses credibility. If they get their win back the next week, it's 50/50 booking. If the finishes are designed to maintain the credibility of the loser, they're lazy and uncreative. If you only run promos and non-wrestling segments, it doesn't play to the strengths of performers.

Can anyone help me get my head around what a 3 hour weekly wrestling show would look like that wouldn't produce the above results?

I'd start by making the show 2 hours. I realize that isn't going to happen but if there was long-term thinking to improve the product that's where I'd start.

I think protecting guys is way overblown. Should only be a couple guys on each brand you don't want taking losses on TV. Take the NBA. Even the very best teams lose 30% of the time and get upset. But if you are worried about it, make sure you at least don't have the babyfaces "cheating" to win. Kingston doing so twice in one night was just terrible. That needs to be heel behavior and you can have the heel do this a couple times in a program leading to the babyface getting redemption at the PPV if you are really that concerned about clean losses.

I also think its okay to have more squashes. Get your end of roster guys some TV time by jobbing to the biggest stars and see if any of them can find a way to resonate with the audience in spite of the losses. Right now they want to sell a guy like Braun as a monster but also keep making him take losses to protect guys they want to push. It would really benefit his credibility if you mix in some squashes for him on mid card guys and it doesn't hurt them because again you are selling him as a monster.

Or do like they do with professional jobber Dolph--he spends a ton of time taking losses and selling to elevate other guys, but then you give him the odd tag title run or put a lessor belt on him for a few months. Miz when healthy another great guy to give losses to because he has the ability to spin that in his promo work.

Or create entire storylines where you have a young guy constantly taking on the toughest matches week after week and taking pins and then every month or so have him squash an end of the roster guy showing that he's gaining something from his tough strength of schedule.

IDK feels like a number of angles they could take besides the constant roll ups and interference and no-contests and you could actually use it to enhance talent rather than bury it.

Dr Positivity · Post #1680 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun May 23, 2021 5:15 pm

Ricochet and Sheamus match of the night. Charlotte and Asuka good as always. I know Ripley isn't even bi as far as we know but I feel like in kayfabe she has some Paige to her where she simultaneously wants to beat up Charlotte and do her.

Is Riddle going to turn heel with Orton? If AJ and Omos are face now they don't really need another face team in RKBro. They should give Viking Raiders another chance as heels although I like that they are giving Elias and Ryker a chance.

Drew McIntyre aka Big D. I don't really need to see Lashley vs both members of New Day in a Braun vs Miz and Morrison type PPV match (and if they were going to do that storyline it should've been against both members of Hurt Business), so hopefully this is just set up for McIntyre vs Lashley in Hell in a Cell.