All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[Dominator83]

Where the hell is Mox at? I presume at this point he's gonna decide the winner of the main event

[jakecronus8]

Can't imagine Moxley showing up now. Would've made the most sense in the preshow to get maximum buys.

[iMoreland]

Great ending, Moxley is gonna be big time in AEW. That show was still not worth $50 though.

[Wo1verine]

I enjoyed the show personally!

MJF is going to be like The Rock light with regards to promos.

Awesome Dustin/Cody moment love the Dustin isn't retiring - Oh yeah, how bought the BLOOD!!!

Don't remember seeing a Rumble like that before? Tables, trash cans, staple guns etc Oh yeah, and some guy with NO LEGS eliminated Tye Dillinger LMAO

Beautiful looking title

Awesome tag match between Young Bucks and The Lucha bros

Ambrose coming right at the end and destroying Omega, Y2J and plus the ref was crazy and at the perfect moment i thought ending the show with people wanting more.

Overall the action was something ive been missing as a fan and AEW stepped up!

[iMoreland]

AEW All Out - August 31st, in . . .

. . . Chicago

[Dominator83]

AEW All Out - August 31st, in . . .

. . . Chicago

While it would be awesome, I think they're gonna save that one for their TNT debut

[tugs]

Wasn't able to watch live so thought of peeking at and browsing YouTube highlights.

Ended up watching whole matches.

[Spens1]

Great way to start off, preshow was fun (MJF secretly the MVP of that match, his heel antics make you hate him and he's hillarious at the same time, he's honestly the perfect chicken **** heel). Hangman winning i'm a bit 50/50 on (he's good but not ready for the main event, not even close), i think Jimmy Havoc may have been a better call there to be honest. Luchasaurus is false advertising what Lucha.

Three way between SCU and Cima and his children was good, all jokes aside El Lindleman is freaking strong for a 5'3 guy. T-Hawk is getting there as well and Cima is gonna Cima (Dragon Gate may want to get him back on side, just put T-Hawk clause that provides he can only be champ 50% of the time )

Cody vs Dustin was MOTN, the emotion was insane, incredibly salty that Cody won which is testimate to how good of a heel he is (honestly, to the point i'll struggle to see his face work as anything near). Cody Rhodes is in his element in story based matches which have a high emotion feel and storyline implications and where he can use character work, that's why him away from ROH and New Japan is so good for him. The HHH bit was a bit cringy to be honest, wasn't a huge fan of that (a bit late 2000's TNA).

The 6 woman match between the joshi wrestlers was nuts. Hopefully that puts Joshi wrestling outside of Stardom and Sendai Girls (and Joshi wrestling in general) on the map. TJPW honestly gets their woman undersold a bit due to the character emphasis but the girls there can wrestle as well. Aja Kong is still incredibly good for her age (its actually a shock that she's still that good). Shida is amazing, honestly its a shame that Joshi companies focus a lot on younger women because Shida is amazing still, either way i'm glad she's getting mainstream recognition finally.

Kip Sabian vs Sammy Guevara was decent. Sammy G i've watched and he's good, but Sabian was very impressive, not a bad match at all.

Main event, well its about what i expected to be honest other than the result. Its a Jericho match and i don't expect him to wrestle the style he used to so its more brawlish. Omega was a bit rusty to an extent (first match since Wrestle Kingdom after all) but overall still a good match. Of course though, what a way to finish, Explicit.Mox.Violence. Jon Moxley is back and with AEW, its confirmed and what a fantastic get for the company. A legitimate main eventer and a guy who can carry the brand alongside Omega.

Best Friends vs Angelico and Jack Evans i wasn't a fan of, not sure what it was but the two teams didn't click. Also no one knew who the Super Smash Bros where, to be expected i guess but they will know soon enough. Its a damn good tag team division.

Bucks vs Lucha Bros was, well, very spotty to say the least. It was a fun spotfest, but a spotfest was a spotfest.

Now to the kind of bad stuff.

Camera work made Kevin Dunn look good. They had better fix it by the time the next PPV comes around or by the time the TV product airs.

The belt is basically the IWGP title, just a bit more dodgy and with really bad AEW text everywhere not a huge fan of the belt but it could be worse i guess.

JR was actually not that bad this PPV, no where near his peak but it was the first time in a long while that we had JR sounding this good, on the other hand, Marvez was rubbish. Excalibur of course was great however.

[tugs]

Was expecting Allie to wrestle though.

[jakecronus8]

So my thoughts.

I'm intrigued but can't say I was super impressed. These one off shows just aren't my style. Lots of impressive spots, but I've always been more interested in great storytelling.

While I'm not like Vince and I don't worry so much about how big these guys are, I will say a LOT of them look like back yard wrestlers. You don't have to be the biggest guy in the world but you should at least be in shape. I am about 175 and I feel like I was bigger than a lot of these dudes. ETA: if they want to make this big league stuff they need to take their ring gear/presentation more seriously. The team that wrestled Barretta/Taylor had some of the worst ring gear I've ever seen. Looked like LaParka had a bastard child with a can of monster energy drink and that bastard child decided to go roller blading in 1995.

There is a MASSIVE drop from their mid card to their main event guys. Watching the show, no one in the mid card truly stood out to me at all.

Mauro Ranallo would be better than JR in this spot. That may change once they start rolling on television and can build storylines and characters.

The Cody/Dustin match was probably the best match on the show, but personally I could've done without the color. Took me out of it quite a bit. Booking was a little weird too with Cody doing all the dastardly heel stuff only to immediately be all "I love you, be my partner" stuff at the end. The Trips stuff in the beginning was great.

Jericho/Omega was good not great and if that's Jericho's new finisher he needs to scrap it. Moxley showing up was fun.

Overall, I need the television product to truly get into it, but I think this was generally a good start.

[tugs]

Great point on the gap between midcard and uppercard. It's a bit unfair though as their "mids" could be main eventers as well (Lucha Bros comes to mind).

Jimmy Havoc could be the guy.

[jakecronus8]

This was my first time seeing Havoc outside of clips here and there so I can't judge him based on a battle royal but man, (again not to sound like Vince) dude is tiiiiiny. Probably about 160-170 and not Finn balor style. I don't need Lex/Poppa Pump sized dudes to take them seriously but he's honestly about the size of Spike Dudley.

[skbucks1985]

This was a really good show, easily the best one I've seen in 2019. The production mistakes were all minor and that's stuff that will get cleaned up with additional experience. The commentary team is a little more dicey. Alex Marvez is not good at wrestling commentary and JR was better than he was during his NJPW run, but he was kind of hit-and-miss based on the match. I don't know if he has in in him anymore to be the lead pbp guy for the variety of matches he's going to have to call. Its too bad Ian Riccaboni resigned with ROH because he'd be perfect. And Excalibur was great as always.

The battle royal was probably the worst straight up match, but it was fine. The one critique I'd have of the show and its probably unavoidable given the situation and was made worse by the Pac situation, half the show felt like what I should expect from AEW and the other half felt like an Indy show. The Sammy Guevara, SCU and Aja Kong matches felt like they were thrown in to fill out the card. The Anjelico and Jack Evans-Best Friends match was the same although they did the postmatch beat down to set up the Super Smash Brothers. I assume, especially the people that won their matches, will be regular characters on the AEW show, but I didn't go into it with any certainty of that and the matches really didn't increase it either.

But the other matches, with the exception of the Battle Royal were all solid to great. The women's match was solid and really established Britt Baker as, in-ring at least, women's face of AEW. I'm not sure if Baker is on that level, but I suppose we'll see. The Bucks-Lucha Bros match was a great match and if the Lucha Bros can get out of their Lucha Underground contract, this match really established these two as the top teams in the division. Cody-Goldust was IMO the best match of 2019 thus far. One of the things I love about Cody is how the type of match he wrestles mirrors the build of the feud. The match with Nick Aldis was about the NWA Title and was a straight up match and wrestled as such. This was this deeply personal match and thus the style was very different. I wasn't but I could see Jericho-Omega as being slightly disappointing. Jericho's close to 50 years old and he's not really capable of having the types of matches he did a decade ago, even with arguably the best wrestler in the world. I know a lot of people were surprised by the result, but I wasn't. They really played up that Omega beat Jericho previously, plus Jericho is the biggest name they have and I expect he'll be their first world champion. And eventually Omega will beat him which gives him the rubber match and gives him the win over their first world champion and biggest star.

[Dominator83]

I think its pretty safe to say that Jericho will win the belt. While this company looks very promising, its still a brand new company thats working to build a fanbase. Hangman Page isn't a household name to non-hardore wrestling fans. Jericho is a guy that the WWE universe is very familiar with and respects. Hence Jericho getting their 1st world title.

[improper]

I think its pretty safe to say that Jericho will win the belt. While this company looks very promising, its still a brand new company thats working to build a fanbase. Hangman Page isn't a household name to non-hardore wrestling fans. Jericho is a guy that the WWE universe is very familiar with and respects. Hence Jericho getting their 1st world title.

Totally agree, and it makes all the sense in the world to have your first champion be a wrestling legend who is still capable of performing at a reasonably high level. Jericho has lost a step, but he's still really good, and no one reinvents themselves as well as he does on such a regular basis.

[WRau1]

[Stanford]

I know it was the 90s, but I've always questioned Luger's choice of shirt that night. I looks like he exited the shower under a deployed parachute. Let's see those guns, Lex.

[Spens1]

So my thoughts.

I'm intrigued but can't say I was super impressed. These one off shows just aren't my style. Lots of impressive spots, but I've always been more interested in great storytelling.

While I'm not like Vince and I don't worry so much about how big these guys are, I will say a LOT of them look like back yard wrestlers. You don't have to be the biggest guy in the world but you should at least be in shape. I am about 175 and I feel like I was bigger than a lot of these dudes. ETA: if they want to make this big league stuff they need to take their ring gear/presentation more seriously. The team that wrestled Barretta/Taylor had some of the worst ring gear I've ever seen. Looked like LaParka had a bastard child with a can of monster energy drink and that bastard child decided to go roller blading in 1995.

There is a MASSIVE drop from their mid card to their main event guys. Watching the show, no one in the mid card truly stood out to me at all.

Mauro Ranallo would be better than JR in this spot. That may change once they start rolling on television and can build storylines and characters.

The Cody/Dustin match was probably the best match on the show, but personally I could've done without the color. Took me out of it quite a bit. Booking was a little weird too with Cody doing all the dastardly heel stuff only to immediately be all "I love you, be my partner" stuff at the end. The Trips stuff in the beginning was great.

Jericho/Omega was good not great and if that's Jericho's new finisher he needs to scrap it. Moxley showing up was fun.

Overall, I need the television product to truly get into it, but I think this was generally a good start.

Honestly, AEW should poach Mauro Ranallo given that he knows who these guys are (at least the main eventers i know he would given his prior experience).

[Celtsfan1980]

It's not the WWE. Mediocre cards become good and good cards become great. And unlike WWE it won't get any NXT Takeover comparisons.

[Dubious Handles]

I personally loved it. Crowd was great, and the wrestlers seemed very motivated and into it. No one half-assing ****