WWE Raw Discussion III

[tugs]

Great main event and Ziggler and Priest was also good. But I'm really surprised Lesnar vs Lashley isn't a Wrestlemania, interested to see what they passed that up for. With it being rumored that McIntyre was supposed to face Reigns at RR before his injury it's possible they'll just do Reigns and Lesnar at Wrestlemania maybe with it ending with Brock 2 belts.

WWE bold decision to make Lashley champion a year ago despite being a 44 year old guy at the time who had been in midcard and Lana type storylines for years was one of the best decisions they made in a long time. I always thought there was something underrated about the way he talked with the boyish type of voice weirdly helping, it's not like he's a guy that goes out and gives long promos in the ring, but it feels more natural than someone like McIntyre trying to make 10 year olds mark by being Scottish warrior guy with stories etc.

Wouldn't be mad if they go with an inconclusive finish, like a Roman interference. Triple threat Mania with Lashley winning. Imagine that.

[Scott Hall]

Something extremely shocking has been happening the last few weeks...

I've actually liked RAW and some of the new talents they've been pushing and we're not even deep into
Rumble/WrestleMania season yet which is always the best time of year.

Also what's the word with Lesnar working every show now? he get in a fight with Sable? bored of living on
the farm in Saskatchewan during a pandemic? need the money? Also seems like he's out grown some of his
shyness and maybe because his legacy is set he's more comfortable and also more comfortable being around
younger people as opposed to when he was the young guy surrounded by sharks.

[SunsLyf3]

Great main event and Ziggler and Priest was also good. But I'm really surprised Lesnar vs Lashley isn't a Wrestlemania, interested to see what they passed that up for. With it being rumored that McIntyre was supposed to face Reigns at RR before his injury it's possible they'll just do Reigns and Lesnar at Wrestlemania maybe with it ending with Brock 2 belts.

WWE bold decision to make Lashley champion a year ago despite being a 44 year old guy at the time who had been in midcard and Lana type storylines for years was one of the best decisions they made in a long time. I always thought there was something underrated about the way he talked with the boyish type of voice weirdly helping, it's not like he's a guy that goes out and gives long promos in the ring, but it feels more natural than someone like McIntyre trying to make 10 year olds mark by being Scottish warrior guy with stories etc.

Could they be setting up Lashley vs Lesnar vs Reigns at Mania?

Someone has to win the Rumble and be in the main event as well. If they really want to do a title unification they should just give us that fatal 5 way again at Mania. Lol.

[Dr Positivity]

Great main event and Ziggler and Priest was also good. But I'm really surprised Lesnar vs Lashley isn't a Wrestlemania, interested to see what they passed that up for. With it being rumored that McIntyre was supposed to face Reigns at RR before his injury it's possible they'll just do Reigns and Lesnar at Wrestlemania maybe with it ending with Brock 2 belts.

WWE bold decision to make Lashley champion a year ago despite being a 44 year old guy at the time who had been in midcard and Lana type storylines for years was one of the best decisions they made in a long time. I always thought there was something underrated about the way he talked with the boyish type of voice weirdly helping, it's not like he's a guy that goes out and gives long promos in the ring, but it feels more natural than someone like McIntyre trying to make 10 year olds mark by being Scottish warrior guy with stories etc.

Could they be setting up Lashley vs Lesnar vs Reigns at Mania?

Someone has to win the Rumble and be in the main event as well. If they really want to do a title unification they should just give us that fatal 5 way again at Mania. Lol.

I'd be surprised if they did two triple threat main events in a row, it'd also be 3 in 4 years.

Speaking of triple threat ideas though imagine the meat level of Lesnar vs Lashley vs Goldberg triple threat. Goldberg has storylines with both. It wouldn't have to be main event if they did a Reigns match last. It looks like Reigns vs Lesnar is the most likely right now though.

[gambitx777]

TLC match with both tittles hub and 4 dudes in the mat h that why you can technically have two winners if one belt get pulls and the other is still up for grabs

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[Ruzious]

It wasn't a good day to be black on Raw. Lesnar made it very clear he's got no respect for Lashley's ability. Lashley's lack of mic skills were exposed there with no reply to Lesnar clowning him. Lashley destroyed Cedrick Alexander and Shelton Benjamin as if they were 2 local jobbers - this latest run with the Hurt Business has pretty much crushed their careers. The Street Profits lost to the Dirty Dogs (though Crews was on the DD team... in a secondary role). Big E took a clean loss to Seth Rollins - he's now been pinned on consecutive Raws - what a quick fall down the ladder he's taken. Bianca Belair wasn't able to win in an important women's 3-way - making Doudrop the #1 contender. Omos won easily, but it was against a nobody - what was the purpose of that? Reggie got abused by Omos for no apparent reason. Just an observation.

[gambitx777]

It wasn't a good day to be black on Raw. Lesnar made it very clear he's got no respect for Lashley's ability. Lashley's lack of mic skills were exposed there with no reply to Lesnar clowning him. Lashley destroyed Cedrick Alexander and Shelton Benjamin as if they were 2 local jobbers - this latest run with the Hurt Business has pretty much crushed their careers. The Street Profits lost to the Dirty Dogs (though Crews was on the DD team... in a secondary role). Big E took a clean loss to Seth Rollins - he's now been pinned on consecutive Raws - what a quick fall down the ladder he's taken. Bianca Belair wasn't able to win in an important women's 3-way - making Doudrop the #1 contender. Omos won easily, but it was against a nobody - what was the purpose of that? Reggie got abused by Omos for no apparent reason. Just an observation.

I mean omas is very clearly their new attraction guy and I'm sure they just want Reggie in there so her can toss him around. I still think Big E has a chance to win the rumble and they can give him a story of fighting back from the bottom. Bianca clearly is taking that tittle off becky at mania, that are building the story of Becky being terrified of her. I don't like how the did the HB dirty I think lashley should have a team with him.

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[gambitx777]

And the veer promos continue lol . They are trolling us now right? It's a shame he would have looked great as the heavy of a group like put him with ali if he stays. That would be dope an Alli lead group with mahan maybe mansour and rickachete. That be solid.

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[Ruzious]

And the veer promos continue lol . They are trolling us now right? It's a shame he would have looked great as the heavy of a group like put him with ali if he stays. That would be dope an Alli lead group with mahan maybe mansour and rickachete. That be solid.

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Vince must like him - giving Veer a name that sounds like a very drunk person slurring Vince McMahon.

[gambitx777]

More veeeeeer I hope he shows up and gets pushed he has a great look. How former tag partners just showed up in NXT so lol.

So LA Knight and Roddy showed up backstage call ups? I hope so Tomaso and Dunn have been working dark matches for weeks. Get this 4 guys up to raw and smack down cuz they definitely need more bodies. I hope they move people up after the dusty cup too. My god imperium is made for main ! There is no way that Vince sees those guys all 6 ft or over, big beefy dudes. Can work, all can cut a promo, all look amazing together. They have a great gimmick. I mean how Vince doesn't see money in barthel. That dude could be at least the next shamus.

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[Scott Hall]

It wasn't a good day to be black on Raw. Lesnar made it very clear he's got no respect for Lashley's ability. Lashley's lack of mic skills were exposed there with no reply to Lesnar clowning him. Lashley destroyed Cedrick Alexander and Shelton Benjamin as if they were 2 local jobbers - this latest run with the Hurt Business has pretty much crushed their careers. The Street Profits lost to the Dirty Dogs (though Crews was on the DD team... in a secondary role). Big E took a clean loss to Seth Rollins - he's now been pinned on consecutive Raws - what a quick fall down the ladder he's taken. Bianca Belair wasn't able to win in an important women's 3-way - making Doudrop the #1 contender. Omos won easily, but it was against a nobody - what was the purpose of that? Reggie got abused by Omos for no apparent reason. Just an observation.

Something is off with Big E... I think he was given the tittle because of his potential that he's always had but I'm
not sure he's realized it yet. He definitely needs to be repackaged with a new character, new ring gear and a new
theme song which are all bad imo. His personality also doesn't connect with me he comes across as annoying or
a baby/victim at times he seems like a natural heel to me. As a worker he's good/solid but I'm not sure he's main
event level.

As for Bianca I hopes she wins the Rumble again and has a proper match with Becky at WM and gets the tittle off
her. I hope they go with the natural story of her getting revenge from the SummerSlam fiasco.

And speaking of black wrestlers I've been thinking lately is R-Truth the biggest waste of talent in WWE history?
He's so much better then this comedy role he's been doing for years. Dolph Ziggler is a close 2nd for me.

[Ruzious]

It wasn't a good day to be black on Raw. Lesnar made it very clear he's got no respect for Lashley's ability. Lashley's lack of mic skills were exposed there with no reply to Lesnar clowning him. Lashley destroyed Cedrick Alexander and Shelton Benjamin as if they were 2 local jobbers - this latest run with the Hurt Business has pretty much crushed their careers. The Street Profits lost to the Dirty Dogs (though Crews was on the DD team... in a secondary role). Big E took a clean loss to Seth Rollins - he's now been pinned on consecutive Raws - what a quick fall down the ladder he's taken. Bianca Belair wasn't able to win in an important women's 3-way - making Doudrop the #1 contender. Omos won easily, but it was against a nobody - what was the purpose of that? Reggie got abused by Omos for no apparent reason. Just an observation.

Something is off with Big E... I think he was given the tittle because of his potential that he's always had but I'm
not sure he's realized it yet. He definitely needs to be repackaged with a new character, new ring gear and a new
theme song which are all bad imo. His personality also doesn't connect with me he comes across as annoying or
a baby/victim at times he seems like a natural heel to me. As a worker he's good/solid but I'm not sure he's main
event level.

As for Bianca I hopes she wins the Rumble again and has a proper match with Becky at WM and gets the tittle off
her. I hope they go with the natural story of her getting revenge from the SummerSlam fiasco.

And speaking of black wrestlers I've been thinking lately is R-Truth the biggest waste of talent in WWE history?
He's so much better then this comedy role he's been doing for years. Dolph Ziggler is a close 2nd for me.

Still, with all those 24/7 wins, I bet Ron Killings has won more pro rasslin championships than anyone in history - it'd be a good trivia question. He's in amazing shape for a 50 year old.

[tugs]

He fell off when Lik Jimmy went to college

[gambitx777]

Honestly at his age R truth has been treated extremely well . He's 50 looks amazing. The only thing he doesn't have is a world tittle run. He's had mid card, tag and lower card gold. He gets paid well and the company knows they can trust him.

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[Scott Hall]

It wasn't a good day to be black on Raw. Lesnar made it very clear he's got no respect for Lashley's ability. Lashley's lack of mic skills were exposed there with no reply to Lesnar clowning him. Lashley destroyed Cedrick Alexander and Shelton Benjamin as if they were 2 local jobbers - this latest run with the Hurt Business has pretty much crushed their careers. The Street Profits lost to the Dirty Dogs (though Crews was on the DD team... in a secondary role). Big E took a clean loss to Seth Rollins - he's now been pinned on consecutive Raws - what a quick fall down the ladder he's taken. Bianca Belair wasn't able to win in an important women's 3-way - making Doudrop the #1 contender. Omos won easily, but it was against a nobody - what was the purpose of that? Reggie got abused by Omos for no apparent reason. Just an observation.

Something is off with Big E... I think he was given the tittle because of his potential that he's always had but I'm
not sure he's realized it yet. He definitely needs to be repackaged with a new character, new ring gear and a new
theme song which are all bad imo. His personality also doesn't connect with me he comes across as annoying or
a baby/victim at times he seems like a natural heel to me. As a worker he's good/solid but I'm not sure he's main
event level.

As for Bianca I hopes she wins the Rumble again and has a proper match with Becky at WM and gets the tittle off
her. I hope they go with the natural story of her getting revenge from the SummerSlam fiasco.

And speaking of black wrestlers I've been thinking lately is R-Truth the biggest waste of talent in WWE history?
He's so much better then this comedy role he's been doing for years. Dolph Ziggler is a close 2nd for me.

Still, with all those 24/7 wins, I bet Ron Killings has won more pro rasslin championships than anyone in history - it'd be a good trivia question. He's in amazing shape for a 50 year old.

The 24/7 tittle is a joke though... this guy is/was close to the total package good worker, great look, highly entertaining
could've been a main eventer. He's above the comedy stuff he's been doing for years now. I can't even remember the
last time he had a serious match. I would've turned him heel and made him a bad ass and gave him a serious push
awhile ago I don't know if it's to late now. He's got way more to offer then chasing Tozawa and Gulak in catering for
the last 5 years.

[Ruzious]

Something is off with Big E... I think he was given the tittle because of his potential that he's always had but I'm
not sure he's realized it yet. He definitely needs to be repackaged with a new character, new ring gear and a new
theme song which are all bad imo. His personality also doesn't connect with me he comes across as annoying or
a baby/victim at times he seems like a natural heel to me. As a worker he's good/solid but I'm not sure he's main
event level.

As for Bianca I hopes she wins the Rumble again and has a proper match with Becky at WM and gets the tittle off
her. I hope they go with the natural story of her getting revenge from the SummerSlam fiasco.

And speaking of black wrestlers I've been thinking lately is R-Truth the biggest waste of talent in WWE history?
He's so much better then this comedy role he's been doing for years. Dolph Ziggler is a close 2nd for me.

Still, with all those 24/7 wins, I bet Ron Killings has won more pro rasslin championships than anyone in history - it'd be a good trivia question. He's in amazing shape for a 50 year old.

The 24/7 tittle is a joke though... this guy is/was close to the total package good worker, great look, highly entertaining
could've been a main eventer. He's above the comedy stuff he's been doing for years now. I can't even remember the
last time he had a serious match. I would've turned him heel and made him a bad ass and gave him a serious push
awhile ago I don't know if it's to late now. He's got way more to offer then chasing Tozawa and Gulak in catering for
the last 5 years.

I don't disagree, but how many 50 year olds get the amount of TV time and recognition that he does? Sure, he plays the fool sometimes, but I think he's had a wonderful career in the WWE - a 2-time US Champ, 2-time Hardcore Champ, 1 time tag champ with Kofi, and 53 time 24/7 champ. He's a fine wrestler but nothing special, and it's not like he's a huge guy who'd be a big draw in a serious role. It's been a mutually beneficial role that he's played in the WWE. He's probably also received a good chunk of money for his musical prowess.

[Scott Hall]

Still, with all those 24/7 wins, I bet Ron Killings has won more pro rasslin championships than anyone in history - it'd be a good trivia question. He's in amazing shape for a 50 year old.

The 24/7 tittle is a joke though... this guy is/was close to the total package good worker, great look, highly entertaining
could've been a main eventer. He's above the comedy stuff he's been doing for years now. I can't even remember the
last time he had a serious match. I would've turned him heel and made him a bad ass and gave him a serious push
awhile ago I don't know if it's to late now. He's got way more to offer then chasing Tozawa and Gulak in catering for
the last 5 years.

I don't disagree, but how many 50 year olds get the amount of TV time and recognition that he does? Sure, he plays the fool sometimes, but I think he's had a wonderful career in the WWE - a 2-time US Champ, 2-time Hardcore Champ, 1 time tag champ with Kofi, and 53 time 24/7 champ. He's a fine wrestler but nothing special, and it's not like he's a huge guy who'd be a big draw in a serious role. It's been a mutually beneficial role that he's played in the WWE. He's probably also received a good chunk of money for his musical prowess.

I'm mostly talking about the last several years as opposed to now and I guess I saw more potential then others. You
can say the same thing about Dolph Ziggler and list his accolades and longevity but to me soooo much more could've been
done with him. In the mid 20teens he was one of the few guys I actually enjoyed watch wrestle as his matches were
one of the few bright spots on the show. To me this last decade or so has seen a severe talent drought and seeing guys
like R-Truth and Ziggler be treated like afterthoughts for so long is frustrating. Also the R-Truth character as the fun loving
comedy guy has become stale to me at this point. Has he ever had a proper heel run? would love too see him get involved
in an important storyline bash someone over the head with a steel chair turn heel and cut a promo about him not being a
comedy joke anymore. It would shock the audience and no one would see it coming both the heel turn and him getting
a serious push. I think that's what's missing in WWE it's become to complacent for to long hardly any shock value anymore.

And while he's 50 and got a comfy secure job at WWE...part of me wishes he went to AEW and ditched the comedy stuff
and wrestled serious matches. That's the thing he's a good worker with an innovative offense from what I remember
it's a shame to not see him wrestle 15-20 minute matches especially against other good workers.

[Ruzious]

Here's where a guy like Rollins shows he's better than guys like Truth and Ziggler. He's got a role now where he has to act like a weirdo - with a crazy laugh. But he's so talented that he's able to overcome an odd role and stay one of the top few guys - and has a real chance of winning the WWE Championship.

[gambitx777]

I remember when TNA AKA( Impact ) put a world tittle on R-Truth back in the day. He lost it to Jeff Jerrett both times. LoL honestly he's has the USA tittle twice a tag run. He's been hard core and featured as 24/7 champ he's had a good career. He's constantly featured and given interesting creative. When talking about wrestlers being treated well he's at least in the top 25 % over the last 15 years.

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[Scott Hall]

You guys keep acting like the 24/7 and hardcore tittles are some sort of accomplishment lol it's a joke of a tittle(s)
basically the catering world championship no self respecting wrestler would want it or has it as some sort of an
achievement. I guess we have a different definition of "interesting creative" and it's been years since he's been featured
in a meaningful way. It's not about being "treated well" as it is being way under utilized. Being good at the comedy
stuff has almost been a curse just a guy a lot of people have slept on almost his entire career.