dreamchaser wrote:big time fail...

I dunno I don't really consider those botches per se, there isn't anything fake about a table giving under all that weight, it adds to the realism, if you suspend disbelief and consider it a real fight it is a plausible scenario, IMO a botch is where the choreography becomes apparent and it forces you to discontinue your suspension of disbelief, of course smarks will say it's anything that doesn't go "according to plan" but I don't think that's fair