WWE Raw Discussion III

[donkeylips]

they should have ended with the women's segment.

[Scott Hall]

Some RAW thoughts...

- This Kurt Angle thing is so sad the way it's going down but now I'm starting to read between the lines. Let's
face it Kurt Angle is complete toast and really has no business in the ring anymore. The fact that his match
with Styles was like 2 minutes and his match with Mysterio was cancelled means he's injured or he's such
a shell of himself he can't keep up and will look bad. He's not what Ric Flair was in his last match against HBK
at WM 24. If you put Angle in the ring against a legend at WM it's just gonna make him look even worse. At least
Corbin won't make him look bad and you can use weapons and have run-ins and the fans won't be expecting one
last Angle classic now. It's crazy Angle was still good his last year in TNA in 2016 or whenever it was then he comes
to WWE and they don't use him much and he just completely lost it and father time won. This is why Jericho needs
to stay humble he's also in his late 40's and not active much and could fall off a cliff at anytime but Y2J has never
been injured and could be a rare bird. Angle however was announced for Starrcast and if he does have a good
performance then F WWE for the way things are going down.

- The Demon Balor thing was so bad and corny I gotta give major props to Lashley and Lio for not laughing their
ass off and staying in character when Balor was making those ridiculous faces and sticking his tongue out. Won't
happen but I'd love to see Lashley destroy him now at WM.

- I like that Bobby Roode was glaring at Gable and teasing them breaking up. Hopefully they get separated during the
shake up and Roode gets a solid mid card push or they put him in an Evolution like faction with EC3 or something.

- The Womens segment was great one of the better RAW segments I've seen in a long time. Love the intensity from
Ronda, Becky and Charlotte. Reminded me when RAW was WAR.

- Black and Ricochet man I hope they're not a permanent tag-team going forward both should be single stars
and Vince doesn't care about 95% of Tag-Teams anyways.

- Rollins and Brock was meh still don't care about that match

- Batista promo was disappointing wanted to hear him talk and I think this feud needs more juice
especially from his side. We already know the history and we'll see that video package a thousand
times on the pre-show and before their match. From a story perspective why is he so obsessed with
beating/fighting HHH out of the blue?

- Mysterio vs. Corbin was boring and was a terrible way to get fans excited as the go home RAW segment to WM

- They couldn't even give Brutus a HOF video package like everyone else? they just lumped him in with
all the others. Speaking of the HOF I thought they were supposed to move it to Friday or Thursday because
of speeches going on to long and not having talent sit for 5 hours and getting to bed late the night before WM?

[Ruzious]

- The women have become - by far - the most interesting part of Raw.
- I'm fine with the way they're bringing along Black and Ricochet - with the understanding that they don't want to jam them down our throat, and when the time is right - Black's going to turn on Rico, and they will have an epic series of matches.
- Balor's gone a little bit stale. They need to turn that smile into a smirk and put him in a Bullet Club type situation.
- We've already seen Batista with that non-talking promo. This thing with him and HHH is boring the hell out of me. They probably need Charlotte's dad to hype it to make anyone care about it - just like Charlotte super-charged the Ronda/Becky conflict - but on a much lower level - showing how far ahead this group of women have lapped that group of men.
- Angle angle - like Scott said, cutting his last few matches... the implications there are all sad. With TNA, his weight fluctuated wildly... and since he's been in the WWE, his neck is as wide as a tree trunk because that's what they think it needs to be for him to look the part. He's given his life to pro rasslin, and he's earned a ton of respect, but... it's past time.

[Flames24Rulz]

I just found it extremely odd to close the show out on the Corbin-Mysterio match. I get that they're trying to make Angle's last match prominent, but it's not working. Like both Scott and Ruzious mentioned, Angle can barely stand in the ring for longer than a couple of minutes. Combine that with the fact that Corbin is the guy he's having his last match with, and it almost feels like it's a throwaway match for his last WWE match. All of that makes how they ended the show last night pretty peculiar.

[tugs]

Most points covered so I'll just say it would've been better to keep the Demon til his entrance in WM.

[jakecronus8]

Can't wait for the mark's reactions when Ronda flips out about her shoulders being up last night and her getting kayfabe suspended for attacking management.

[Flames24Rulz]

So now that Rollins is champ, I'm guessing he defends the title tonight. Since it's the RAW after WM, I'm going to guess it's either going to be Cena or a "returning" Ambrose.

[iMoreland]

So now that Rollins is champ, I'm guessing he defends the title tonight. Since it's the RAW after WM, I'm going to guess it's either going to be Cena or a "returning" Ambrose.

Reigns. Or for some mega heat, they put the title on Corbin.

[Flames24Rulz]

So now that Rollins is champ, I'm guessing he defends the title tonight. Since it's the RAW after WM, I'm going to guess it's either going to be Cena or a "returning" Ambrose.

Reigns. Or for some mega heat, they put the title on Corbin.

I could see Rollins-Corbin tonight, but there's no way they're going to have Rollins drop the title to Corbin the day after WM...right?

[iMoreland]

So now that Rollins is champ, I'm guessing he defends the title tonight. Since it's the RAW after WM, I'm going to guess it's either going to be Cena or a "returning" Ambrose.

Reigns. Or for some mega heat, they put the title on Corbin.

I could see Rollins-Corbin tonight, but there's no way they're going to have Rollins drop the title to Corbin the day after WM...right?

Why not? Universal Title has had nothing but lengthy reigns, why not hot potato it around a bit? Title changes are exciting.

[Flames24Rulz]

Reigns. Or for some mega heat, they put the title on Corbin.

I could see Rollins-Corbin tonight, but there's no way they're going to have Rollins drop the title to Corbin the day after WM...right?

Why not? Universal Title has had nothing but lengthy reigns, why not hot potato it around a bit? Title changes are exciting.

I mean yeah, if you want to give Corbin nuclear heat, it makes sense. That would take some balls though to do that the night after he already retired Angle.

[iMoreland]

I could see Rollins-Corbin tonight, but there's no way they're going to have Rollins drop the title to Corbin the day after WM...right?

Why not? Universal Title has had nothing but lengthy reigns, why not hot potato it around a bit? Title changes are exciting.

I mean yeah, if you want to give Corbin nuclear heat, it makes sense. That would take some balls though to do that the night after he already retired Angle.

Well if they did it a month later he wouldn't get the same heat

[improper]

Why not? Universal Title has had nothing but lengthy reigns, why not hot potato it around a bit? Title changes are exciting.

There's not much I'd find less exciting than a title belt on Baron Corbin. Dude sucks. He does two cool moves and that's his only redeeming quality.

[iMoreland]

Why not? Universal Title has had nothing but lengthy reigns, why not hot potato it around a bit? Title changes are exciting.

There's not much I'd find less exciting than a title belt on Baron Corbin. Dude sucks. He does two cool moves and that's his only redeeming quality.

The fact that you don't want to see it means Corbin is doing his job right.

He is very capable in the ring, great on the mic, and is one of the most hated guys in WWE. He'd be perfect in that role.

[improper]

The fact that you don't want to see it means Corbin is doing his job right.

He is very capable in the ring, great on the mic, and is one of the most hated guys in WWE. He'd be perfect in that role.

But the thing is, I don't really hate him. I don't care about him. He sucks. I've literally never seen a Baron Corbin match that I thought was anything other than okay to bad. If he's the champ, I'm going to change the channel during his matches, or mute the TV and watch a YouTube vid on my laptop like I did during Reigns/McIntyre last night.

[improper]

If Corbin becomes champ, here's what will happen. He'll get real heat for a short time because people are mad WWE put the belt on him, then people will gradually stop giving a sh*t about him the longer his reign lasts and start sitting on their hands during his matches like they did during Mahal's godawful title reign. Mahal didn't get healthy heat. He made people ambivalent toward the product. I don't hate Mahal any more than I hate Corbin, but he's a bad wrestler and was a terrible champ just like Corbin is and would be.

The thing is, doing something just because it would piss the fans off is, to me, stupid. If Corbin were some great wrestler who was a great heel, it'd be one thing. But he's not. People boo him because he sucks, not because he's an amazing heel. They boo him because they want him to go away. I don't want to watch Corbin wrestle. I don't want to watch him on my TV. That's not me hating him. That's him being so bad that he drags down the quality of the product when he is on screen.

Daniel Bryan is a heel. Daniel Bryan is fun to boo. But guess what, I want Daniel Bryan on my damn TV screen because, unlike Corbin, he's actually good at his job. I want to watch Daniel Bryan wrestle, because unlike Corbin I can be reasonably sure Bryan will deliver a good to great match. Or how about Kevin Owens? He's a heel, or at least he was, but I'll gladly watch him talk or wrestle because he's good at both. His match quality has been underwhelming for a while now, but it's still a mile better than what Corbin is capable of.

There are plenty of great heels in WWE. Corbin isn't one of them. He's just a guy. There are probably thirty guys on the roster better than him at pretty much everything.

[iMoreland]

That's why I said hot potato. A lengthy Corbin run isn't what they should do. He can win it tonight, get that heat, then lose it next week or at the next PPV.

If they do something like Reigns vs Rollins tonight, have them go out and have a 20 or so minute match. Then right when it feels like it's about to end, Vince comes out and says he forgot to mention this was supposed to be a triple threat match. Out comes Corbin to steal the title from both of them.

[Flames24Rulz]

Yeah, I'll echo the Corbin hate too. Of course it's his job as a heel to be disliked. But he's disliked because he's pretty bad at everything he does -- not exactly great on the mic, he's not great in the ring, and everything about him just feels stale. The Mahal comparison is a good one, but at least with him, I didn't get the sense that he was being fed down our throats every week like Corbin has been for the better part of the last year.

Honestly, the best moment of Corbin's career was mocking Cena in his match last night. I can't recall one other thing he's done where I was like, "Hey, this guy really deserves a push." His look of a TGI Friday's waiter is, uh, odd too. I'm not quite sure why they haven't changed his attire yet, but maybe Vince knows.

[spykelee]

wow great opening segment. Can't believe they are going to amalgamate the titles tonight. that's crazy.

[iMoreland]

Rip brand split, I don't hate it though