WWE General Discussion II

[Scott Hall]

https://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2019-01-07/article/hulk-hogan-return-honor-mean-gene-okerlund?fbclid=IwAR1p5MHPeBV70itj9y87kPtgWUvmPPlVa6iJ6Vpew_61X6YJM3U5p17v5gs

I mean i get it, but please no.

Vince: "Surely they've forgotten he's a racist by now, right pal?"

Hogan had a massive fan base...

There are people that haven't forgiven him over his comments, there are people that didn't like him
before and are just using what happened to pile on and then there are people who have forgiven him or
are just over it already.

They must feel most people have forgiven and ready to move on to proceed

[jakecronus8]

Flair would've been a better choice. Hogan will somehow make Gene's memorial about himself.

ETA:

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[improper]

Flair would've been a better choice. Hogan will somehow make Gene's memorial about himself.

Supposedly Flair is gonna be there too.

[Scott Hall]

The sponsors also must be cool with Hogan coming back as well. It's funny that Moolahs name got taken off
the WM battle royal because of the scandal and people complaining to Snickers but I bet like 95% of fans
didn't even know about it or heard about it.

As for Hogan this is gonna be interesting... Before this incident there was a lot of Hogan hate online but when
ever he appeared on TV he'd usually get the biggest pop and I still see his merch in the crowd more then anybody
to this day.

So I don't know what to expect... Florida usually doesn't have loud boisterous crowds.

Smart move by the WWE though gets people talking and interested in RAW and takes some shine away from
Wrestle Kingdom and AEW.

[Scott Hall]

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[Stanford]

Cool spot. I have no problem with it.

[Spens1]

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I mean i get it, but please no.

Vince: "Surely they've forgotten he's a racist by now, right pal?"

Hogan had a massive fan base...

There are people that haven't forgiven him over his comments, there are people that didn't like him
before and are just using what happened to pile on and then there are people who have forgiven him or
are just over it already.

They must feel most people have forgiven and ready to move on to proceed

Probably the case but still, there is going to be massive backlash again, i would have thought they'd try to avoid this after the massive PR disaster that was 2018 for the WWE.

I mean i guess the sponsors must have given it the ok cause WWE wouldn't do it otherwise, though if this does go south (which it very well could), expect them to start bailing. I mean at least in terms of fans backlash, its not like the company has much good will left with them so it can't actually get worse in that regard.

[iMoreland]

Kenny Omega in 2017: "The main reason I would go to WWE is because I would love to have a match against AJ Styles at WrestleMania. If I’m being truthful, before AJ hangs it up, and before I start to degenerate as an athlete, I really want to have a big match with him on the biggest stage possible, so that is a career goal of mine."

The window for that match is literally right now. I'm thinking it's highly likely Kenny signs with WWE soon. Fantasy booking here, AJ beats Bryan for the title at the Rumble and Kenny debuts in and wins the Rumble. The story writes itself after that.

[improper]

Kenny Omega in 2017: "The main reason I would go to WWE is because I would love to have a match against AJ Styles at WrestleMania. If I’m being truthful, before AJ hangs it up, and before I start to degenerate as an athlete, I really want to have a big match with him on the biggest stage possible, so that is a career goal of mine."

The window for that match is literally right now. I'm thinking it's highly likely Kenny signs with WWE soon. Fantasy booking here, AJ beats Bryan for the title at the Rumble and Kenny debuts in and wins the Rumble. The story writes itself after that.

What sucks is that Omega would demand enough money that they'll have him skip NXT, which means we'll miss out on the chance to see him wrestle five star matches at multiple Takeovers.

[Scott Hall]

Vince: "Surely they've forgotten he's a racist by now, right pal?"

Hogan had a massive fan base...

There are people that haven't forgiven him over his comments, there are people that didn't like him
before and are just using what happened to pile on and then there are people who have forgiven him or
are just over it already.

They must feel most people have forgiven and ready to move on to proceed

Probably the case but still, there is going to be massive backlash again, i would have thought they'd try to avoid this after the massive PR disaster that was 2018 for the WWE.

I mean i guess the sponsors must have given it the ok cause WWE wouldn't do it otherwise, though if this does go south (which it very well could), expect them to start bailing. I mean at least in terms of fans backlash, its not like the company has much good will left with them so it can't actually get worse in that regard.

I don't know the stuff you hear on the internet can't be taken as the majority of the opinion. Like all the people screaming
bloody murder over the Saudi Arabia show when in reality the fact was the majority of people didn't care either way.

As for the Hogan incident there is a lot of people that are pissed and making giant proclamations and claiming everybody
hates it and doesn't want to see him. When in reality there is a significant amount of people that have forgiven him and
want to move on and then he still has a lot of fans.

There really is no prevailing opinion on Hogan and what the consequences should have been. They have done a bad job
with him PR wise and they should have a network special where he apologizes and give context to what was going on at
that time. They also should bring him back as Hollywood Hogan so if he gets booed it won't seem out of place and he can
play off of that.

It is a brilliant move by the company...People are gonna be pissed, people are gonna be happy and people are gonna
be intrigued to see what happens and it's a big story that gets people talking WWE instead of the AEW rally on Tuesday
and Wrestle Kingdom from the weekend.

I really don't think they realized Mean Gene was loved "like that" with all the attention his passing got so
this does seem like a publicity stunt.

[Spens1]

Hogan had a massive fan base...

There are people that haven't forgiven him over his comments, there are people that didn't like him
before and are just using what happened to pile on and then there are people who have forgiven him or
are just over it already.

They must feel most people have forgiven and ready to move on to proceed

Probably the case but still, there is going to be massive backlash again, i would have thought they'd try to avoid this after the massive PR disaster that was 2018 for the WWE.

I mean i guess the sponsors must have given it the ok cause WWE wouldn't do it otherwise, though if this does go south (which it very well could), expect them to start bailing. I mean at least in terms of fans backlash, its not like the company has much good will left with them so it can't actually get worse in that regard.

I don't know the stuff you hear on the internet can't be taken as the majority of the opinion. Like all the people screaming
bloody murder over the Saudi Arabia show when in reality the fact was the majority of people didn't care either way.

As for the Hogan incident there is a lot of people that are pissed and making giant proclamations and claiming everybody
hates it and doesn't want to see him. When in reality there is a significant amount of people that have forgiven him and
want to move on and then he still has a lot of fans.

There really is no prevailing opinion on Hogan and what the consequences should have been. They have done a bad job
with him PR wise and they should have a network special where he apologizes and give context to what was going on at
that time. They also should bring him back as Hollywood Hogan so if he gets booed it won't seem out of place and he can
play off of that.

It is a brilliant move by the company...People are gonna be pissed, people are gonna be happy and people are gonna
be intrigued to see what happens and it's a big story that gets people talking WWE instead of the AEW rally on Tuesday
and Wrestle Kingdom from the weekend.

I really don't think they realized Mean Gene was loved "like that" with all the attention his passing got so
this does seem like a publicity stunt.

Honestly i'd be more open to it if the apology was more sincere than the 'i'm sorry you where offended' or 'i'm sorry i got caught' apology lines which is basically what it sounded like. Though no doubt, it is Hogan, he has a lot of fans and he is a legit draw who people will tune into.

Its certainly a way to get people talking about the WWE instead of AEW's announcement that's for sure (i mean they lost most of last week to Wrestle Kingdom and AEW already but that's to be understandable, that was New Japan's Wrestlemania after all).

I think its more a question of sure, it will help in the short term, but could incidents like Saudi and now bringing back Hogan lead to a build up of bad PR.

[Scott Hall]

Probably the case but still, there is going to be massive backlash again, i would have thought they'd try to avoid this after the massive PR disaster that was 2018 for the WWE.

I mean i guess the sponsors must have given it the ok cause WWE wouldn't do it otherwise, though if this does go south (which it very well could), expect them to start bailing. I mean at least in terms of fans backlash, its not like the company has much good will left with them so it can't actually get worse in that regard.

I don't know the stuff you hear on the internet can't be taken as the majority of the opinion. Like all the people screaming
bloody murder over the Saudi Arabia show when in reality the fact was the majority of people didn't care either way.

As for the Hogan incident there is a lot of people that are pissed and making giant proclamations and claiming everybody
hates it and doesn't want to see him. When in reality there is a significant amount of people that have forgiven him and
want to move on and then he still has a lot of fans.

There really is no prevailing opinion on Hogan and what the consequences should have been. They have done a bad job
with him PR wise and they should have a network special where he apologizes and give context to what was going on at
that time. They also should bring him back as Hollywood Hogan so if he gets booed it won't seem out of place and he can
play off of that.

It is a brilliant move by the company...People are gonna be pissed, people are gonna be happy and people are gonna
be intrigued to see what happens and it's a big story that gets people talking WWE instead of the AEW rally on Tuesday
and Wrestle Kingdom from the weekend.

I really don't think they realized Mean Gene was loved "like that" with all the attention his passing got so
this does seem like a publicity stunt.

Honestly i'd be more open to it if the apology was more sincere than the 'i'm sorry you where offended' or 'i'm sorry i got caught' apology lines which is basically what it sounded like. Though no doubt, it is Hogan, he has a lot of fans and he is a legit draw who people will tune into.

Its certainly a way to get people talking about the WWE instead of AEW's announcement that's for sure (i mean they lost most of last week to Wrestle Kingdom and AEW already but that's to be understandable, that was New Japan's Wrestlemania after all).

I think its more a question of sure, it will help in the short term, but could incidents like Saudi and now bringing back Hogan lead to a build up of bad PR.

Yeah Hogan is not a well spoken man and probably has some undiagnosed concussions from back in the day when
they weren't as prevalent. We also don't know if that's his apology or what he was instructed to say by Vince or his
PR team etc.

They flew him in at Extreme Rules to apologize to the roster in Pittsburgh in the summer and supposedly recorded
it for a WWE Network Special so I wonder if they ever plan on showing it.

[Spens1]

I don't know the stuff you hear on the internet can't be taken as the majority of the opinion. Like all the people screaming
bloody murder over the Saudi Arabia show when in reality the fact was the majority of people didn't care either way.

As for the Hogan incident there is a lot of people that are pissed and making giant proclamations and claiming everybody
hates it and doesn't want to see him. When in reality there is a significant amount of people that have forgiven him and
want to move on and then he still has a lot of fans.

There really is no prevailing opinion on Hogan and what the consequences should have been. They have done a bad job
with him PR wise and they should have a network special where he apologizes and give context to what was going on at
that time. They also should bring him back as Hollywood Hogan so if he gets booed it won't seem out of place and he can
play off of that.

It is a brilliant move by the company...People are gonna be pissed, people are gonna be happy and people are gonna
be intrigued to see what happens and it's a big story that gets people talking WWE instead of the AEW rally on Tuesday
and Wrestle Kingdom from the weekend.

I really don't think they realized Mean Gene was loved "like that" with all the attention his passing got so
this does seem like a publicity stunt.

Honestly i'd be more open to it if the apology was more sincere than the 'i'm sorry you where offended' or 'i'm sorry i got caught' apology lines which is basically what it sounded like. Though no doubt, it is Hogan, he has a lot of fans and he is a legit draw who people will tune into.

Its certainly a way to get people talking about the WWE instead of AEW's announcement that's for sure (i mean they lost most of last week to Wrestle Kingdom and AEW already but that's to be understandable, that was New Japan's Wrestlemania after all).

I think its more a question of sure, it will help in the short term, but could incidents like Saudi and now bringing back Hogan lead to a build up of bad PR.

Yeah Hogan is not a well spoken man and probably has some undiagnosed concussions from back in the day when
they weren't as prevalent. We also don't know if that's his apology or what he was instructed to say by Vince or his
PR team etc.

They flew him in at Extreme Rules to apologize to the roster in Pittsburgh in the summer and supposedly recorded
it for a WWE Network Special so I wonder if they ever plan on showing it.

A lot of that will have to do with reception, if he is received well (which i'm sure this is all part of that plan) then i'm sure we'll get a Hulk Hogan redemption, 30 for 30 style network special (which, for whatever else, should be good viewing).

[Spens1]

Also, this may be nitpicking at this point, but i want to see the Big Gold make its return and them ditch the Universal Title (the belt was bad then, it is still bad now).

Especially if Smackdown goes towards more of a sports orientation on fox, they can ditch the Universal Title, bring over the WWE title to raw (its the same belt, just black instead of red) and the big gold can be on smackdown for that legit feel (also the big gold has been a fixture on smackdown). They also need to redesign the tag team titles, take some inspiration from the UK titles, those are stunning, the women's titles should be distinguished somewhat too).

This may just be me but the titles appearance does bear some importance i feel.

[jakecronus8]

Also, this may be nitpicking at this point, but i want to see the Big Gold make its return and them ditch the Universal Title (the belt was bad then, it is still bad now).

Especially if Smackdown goes towards more of a sports orientation on fox, they can ditch the Universal Title, bring over the WWE title to raw (its the same belt, just black instead of red) and the big gold can be on smackdown for that legit feel (also the big gold has been a fixture on smackdown). They also need to redesign the tag team titles, take some inspiration from the UK titles, those are stunning, the women's titles should be distinguished somewhat too).

This may just be me but the titles appearance does bear some importance i feel.

Love your train of thought though I'd swap the winged eagle belt in its place. The big gold reminds me of WCW and Trips' reign of terror. The winged eagle, besides looking incredibly aesthetically pleasing, also just screams prestige to me.

Kinda crazy when you consider how much they hot potatoed the world title since the attitude era, just how few guys actually held the winged eagle.

You've got Hogan, Macho, Warrior, Slaughter (I don't really count as he was transitional to get it back to hogan), Flair, Bret, Yoko, Backlund (see slaughter), Nash, Michaels, Sid, Taker, and then Austin before it was retired. I think that's everyone. Save for Slaughter, Backlund, and Sid (who I think combined held it less than a year) those are straight up legends. That belt looks good on anyone in wwe 2k19

[bestnamezRtaken]

Someone had mentioned Vince being petty by not letting AEW shirts in to SmackDown...

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The new intro from SmackDown Live.

[Stanford]

Oh well. NXT has it right anyway. The intro should feature the show's main players.

It doesn't strike me as petty to not feature a competitor's talent on your product.

[improper]

Oh well. NXT has it right anyway. The intro should feature the show's main players.

It doesn't strike me as petty to not feature a competitor's talent on your product.

I don't really have a problem with them removing him. It's just kind of funny how quickly they got around to it after he joined AEW when they didn't give a crap about him being in NJPW for months.

[Stanford]

Domestic competitors are way different than New Japan.

[improper]

Domestic competitors are way different than New Japan.

I mean, sure, but they're barely even a promotion yet. They haven't even held a show.