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Post#481 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 9, 2020 7:42 pm

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Cup Bracket is here and it looks good. some of them matchups in the first round will be amazing.

KENTA vs Karl Fredericks is a grudge match with the student looking for revenge for the master (though KENTA will probably end him in about 10 minutes and goad on shibata).


I saw this last night on Twitter and my first thought was Okada is gonna win isn't he? He always seems to win or
be in the main event. I'd like to see some new blood win and see NJPW make a new star.

But that's the wrong bracket, right?
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#482 » by WRau1 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 8:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Image

Cup Bracket is here and it looks good. some of them matchups in the first round will be amazing.

KENTA vs Karl Fredericks is a grudge match with the student looking for revenge for the master (though KENTA will probably end him in about 10 minutes and goad on shibata).


I saw this last night on Twitter and my first thought was Okada is gonna win isn't he? He always seems to win or
be in the main event. I'd like to see some new blood win and see NJPW make a new star.

But that's the wrong bracket, right?


Yup, a lot of those guys aren't in it now.
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Post#483 » by Scott Hall » Tue Jun 9, 2020 8:33 pm

Spens1 wrote:For the first time since February, New Japan is going to be back.

June 15 return to shows. NO AUDIENCE with 9 shows to follow into July
June 16 - July 3 New Japan Cup 2020 Special. 1st round matches announced
June 24 and July 1 - New Japan Cup 2nd round
July 2 - NJ Cup Quarter Final
July 3 - NJ Cup Semi Final
July 11 - Osaka Jo Hall Day 1 (1st show with audience at 1/3 capacity) - NJ Cup Final
July 12 - Osaka Jo Hall Day 2 (Dominion) - Double championship match (Heavyweight & IC) vs NJ Cup Winner
Tanahashi to speak for the fans
All shows will be on NJPW World

Tanahashi speaking to fans is interesting, he's totally going to be smashed. Double Championship match at Osaka Jo, yeah i think Naito retains that (then again he was going to anyhow). They'd be stupid not to.

Cup bracket is diferent as well due to the restrictions and foreign talent being unable to enter (though ZSJ is in somehow, didn't realise he was still in Japan). Shame for guys like Ospreay, Juice and the L.A young lions so as you can see, they're relying heavily on the dads and some juniors (even Gedo and Jado are getting a run out). the left side of the bracket is WEAK (with only Ishii, Okada and Suzuki posing a threat, unless Hiromu somehow wins). Right side though, good god, it has every other main eventer and upper mid carder on the roster that isn't Naito pretty much.

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Post#484 » by Spens1 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:00 am

New Japan apparently had tapings in the States (overseen by Dave Marquez's CWFH).

Interesting thing to note is that Tom Lawler (the former MLW World champion) was at the tapings and worked two matches (one against Coughlin and one against Rocky Romero). Others at the taping were Jeff Cobb, TJP etc.
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Post#485 » by Spens1 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:04 pm

So the new japan all together show finished and it was a really good show. It played out a lot like a New Beginning show.

Yota Tsuji vs Gabriel Kidd

Very solid matchup between the two of them, they gave it more time than they usually would and it turned out pretty well. I was really impressed with how much Tsuji improved, gone where the weak strikes and now he has rather crisp shots which makes a world of difference for a brawler. Even his normal wrestling moves have come a long way since even a few months ago. Kidd as well is already pretty impressive in his own right (then again he also has experience prior to being a dojo boy).

Suzuki-Gun (El Desperado & Yoshinobu Kanemaru) vs Tomohiro Ishii & Yuya Uemura

Uemura came in looking jacked and was incredibly good, so big improvements from him (out of him and Tsuji, looks like Uemura is the most likely to become a main eventer, then again good luck getting ahead of Narita and Umino cause those two will most likely be the #1 & #2 guys in about 10 years).

Bullet Club (Ishimori, Yujiro, Gedo & Jado) vs Goto, Yoshi Hashi, Honma & Yano)

Standard lower end tag match, Goto is for the most part so far above these guys its kind of ridiculous.

Yoshi Hashi botched drop kick (like missed badly) along with some other things, can't say much was that memorable but not bad either.

I missed Yano so much though, the comedy spots where great, especially the standoff between Jado with his stick and Yano with the pad.

Tencozy & Taguchi vs Sanada, EVIL & Bushi

Surprisingly even matchup and Taguchi even picked up the win (which probably means all three men are taking the L in the first round), decent matchup but didn't really show off a lot other than a lot of Taguchi in it.

Tanahashi, Ibushi, Makabe & Nagata vs Suzuki-Gun (Suzuki, Taichi, ZSJ & Douki)

Standard Suzuki-Gun stuff, a lot of outside stuff, Nagata & Suzuki spent a fair bit brawling and ZSJ & Ibushi had an incredibly smooth sequence early on. Taichi & Tana got some stuff in and it finished off with Makabe and Douki with Douki taking the pin (of course). Doesn't bode well i'd say for the face side for tomorrow (I think Tana takes the L against Taichi).

Okada & Roppongi 3K vs Naito, Hiromu & Takagi

Very solid tag main, surprisingly enough, a lot of interaction between Okada and Hiromu along with Naito and Yoh. The main feud featured however was takagi & Sho with their hard hitting offense on display. To start off with though we did get Okada vs Naito which i'm kind of surprised they did but glad they did to an extent (okada ain't winning the cup two years in a row and i doubt they face each other anytime soon so its good to get glimpses).

Overall, very solid opening show and did a good job bringing everyone back in, some glaring ommisions however (White, Ospreay, Juice,KENTA and Moxley being the main ones) who they could really use right now (especially White who I predicted would have gone to the cup final and possibly could have won it had he been in Japan).
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Post#486 » by Spens1 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:11 pm

First night of the cup and it was a pretty good showing given how bad on paper it was (they gave these guys the chance to shine)

Yota Tsuji vs Togi Makabe

We actually got a good hoss fight, with Tsuji allowed to show some real fire, going after Makabe and actually i'd say, having more of the offense. In the end though Makabe won but I believed for a bit that they may have Tsuji go over (then again its kind of hard to send anyone on excursion right now).

Toru Yano vs Jado

Ok this was just downright comedy, Jado straight up can't work given I'm pretty sure everything in his body has been replaced (or at least he moved super robotic). It was a decent comedy match I guess but dragged a bit too long for my liking.

Suzuki-Gun vs Ibushi, Tanahashi, Yuya Uemura and Nagata

the face team actually jumped suzuki-gun and didn't fight this one strictly down the middle. A lot of suzuki-gun shenanigans, it was decent but honestly the most important thing was Uemura and his development in these last two matches, he looked really good in this.

Toamaki Honma vs Hiromu Takahashi

Now this was a great match, i'm surprised Honma still had this in him. Best match from him by far since his return, he almost looked like the Honma of old. Hiromu nearly killed Honma however with that apron spot and i think my heart skipped a beat but other then that, not so much high flying from him other than one spot (a bit of a surprise, but not point doing high spots with no live crowd).

Tomohiro Ishii vs El Desperado

Fantastic showing for Despy and Ishii proving he can have a great match with everyone. Each man played up their strengths and waeknesses, Despy targeted the legs of Ishii and Ishii just basically whacked El desperado as hard as he could. It was a very good clash of styles that played off well.
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Post#487 » by Spens1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:19 pm

Night 2 of the cup and it was a show of real high and lows to be honest. Main event sucked to be honest, I thought they'd do something far more believable to make Gedo a chance (not that he had any) rather than just usual Gedo Shenanigans. Semi Main though was freaking great.

Gabriel Kidd vs Taiji Ishimori

Very short match for the most part, Kidd got in some offense but Ishimori ended it pretty quickly.

Yuya Uemura vs Yoshinobu Kanemaru

They gave this more time and honestly, it was really good. They surprisingly enough let Yuya pretty much jump Kanemaru (which is rare) and got a good showing, Kanemaru as well got to showcase what made him the former ace of the NOAH jr division. The next round though should be a good one, battle of two long term rivals in Ishimori and Kanemaru.

CHAOS vs LIJ

CHAOS and LIJ fought each other minus CHAOS's two main players (Ishii and Okada) and LIJ without their leader and jr ace (Naito and Hiromu) so whilst the LIJ side was fine on paper, you got R3K, Goto and then theirs Yoshi Hashi....... Honestly this match was what it was, its the same as the other ones honestly, nothing new was learned about this feud.

Suzuki vs Nagata

What.a.freaking.match. Best match that i can recall two plus 50 year men having and the match of the tornuament by far to date. This exceeded all expectations, it was a good old slobberknocker. One thing i noticed, Suzuki hit way harder than Nagata and dominated but still lost. If you are to watch any match from the opening two nights, watch this match (maybe Despy and Ishii as well but certainly this match).

Kazuchika Okada vs Gedo

From one of the best matches, to honestly one of the worst, this shouldn't have main evented, it turned out pretty bad, not only as a match but even as an angle. It wasn't all that believable that Gedo would win for one second and it was just a lot of Gedo breaking down Okada and then Okada coming back in the end with like 3 moves. I know it was meant to show how valient Okada was but it didn't work. I legit think they would have been better off getting someone from outside the company to come in for a match (or have that angle with Gedo being injured and bringing and outsider in for that match alone) cause this was just bad.

Honestly I hope a lot of the more gimmicky matches are done now that we've moved past Gedo and Jado in (who lets face it, are only in as absolute last resorts).

Overall, average card i'd say (the semi mains greatness balanced out the main events mediocrity, and matches featuring young lions are what they are).
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Post#488 » by Spens1 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:17 am

WOR Ratings

Night 1

Togi Makabe v. Yota Tsuji - ***1/4
Toru Yano v. Jado - -*
Tomoaki Honma v. Hiromu Takahashi - ***1/2
El Desperado v. Tomohiro Ishii - ****1/4
Night 2

Gabriel Kidd v. Taiji Ishimori - **1/4
Yoshinobu Kanemaru v. Yuya Uemura - **1/2
RP3k, Goto, Yoshi-Hashi v. Evil, Sanada, Bushi, Shingo - **3/4
Minoru Suzuki v. Yuji Nagata - ****1/2
Gedo v. Kazuchika Okada - *

Yano and Jado getting minus 1 star :lol: damn he REALLY hated that much. Granted i think it was pretty poor as well, i would have inversed the rating and given Okada vs Gedo the minus 1 (I personally had Gedo vs Okada and Jado vs Yano as duds). Glad to see Suzuki and Nagata got their due.
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Post#489 » by Spens1 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:56 am

The allegations surrounding Ospreay are back, that he blackballed Pollyanna (a former female independent wrestler, a popular one too) after she came out and said she was raped by his best friend.

These allegations have been known for the last 3-4 years, ever since Polly retired really (she spoke out on it then). Probably why I've never really liked Ospreay the person very much (and certainly not Bea Priestley who is just as involved, she pressured EVE to not book her).

There is now proof that Ospreay did in fact pressure promotions to not book Pollyanna

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Given that this is New Japan, i don't think that much will happen initially. However, if he is blackballed by UK companies across the board and other independent promotions and becomes toxic to book outside Japan (ala Micheal Elgin) i could see New Japan de-pushing him and having him mainly being a mid to lower carder guy (Elgin lost his push because of the allegations of sexual assault against him, which led to him leaving the company).

Personally I'd honestly like to see him released for this. Not only did he not offer support (look, fair enough, its your mate but a rape allegation is a rape allegation and that should be taken seriously) and he sure as hell shouldn't have gaslighted her or gotten her blackballed. If he does get fired from New Japan from this (highly unlikely, almost impossible), he would have deserved it.
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Post#490 » by Spens1 » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:58 pm

Night 3 of the cup and given all the darkness in the industry, this was a bit of reprieve. This was the best night so far of the tornuament on paper and it did not dissappoint.

Opening match was what it was, mainly focused around the Suzuki vs Nagata feud that's being built up. That can only be a good thing.



Sanada vs Taguchi

Started off way too slow and was built way too much on comedy which was irritating. It was not even that good and its a shame cause Taguchi is a really good wrestler but the comedy in my opinion mostly fell flat (it did get funnier as it went on), however the last few minutes actually was very solid, edge of your seat stuff but too little to late i felt. It did redeem itself but still not that good of a match.

Shingo Takagi vs SHO

So Sho got a singles theme and its pretty good (very much SNES inspired I feel). On the match, best match of the tornuament thus far and the best match in ages. I'd go as far as 4.75 stars (personally had Suzuki vs Nagata at 4.25 stars so this is how insanely good this was), absolutely insane match of brawling and high intensity, I felt exhausted watching this (in a good way) just due to high intensity this was and they went over 15 minutes at an insane pace. Real edge of your seat at the end as they somehow found even another gear for the last sequence. Sho legit got emotional I think after that win and I think many at home would have, biggest win of his career by far as it stands.

I honestly struggle to see any match in this tornuament being better unless they give EVIL and Sanada the time to develop and let them go nuts or they give Sanada vs Ibushi the time needed. As for Shingo and Sho, they'll run it back again at Dominion most likely which should be an insane match as well. Anytime these two are in the ring its magic, honestly they probably have the best in ring chemistry out of any duo in the company right now. Sho always goes to another level when he's against Shingo (and he's already really good) and Shingo is legit one of the best in the business (in fact with Ospreay out, i'd argue other than Okada, Ibushi and Ishii, he's the best in ring guy in the company). Do yourself a favour, watch this match.

Kota Ibushi vs Zach Sabre Jr

It started with a lot of chain wrestling and in fact, a lot of it was ZSJ just applying different submissions. He legitimately is the only one I know with this kind of insanity in terms of submissions (I mean there is Gresham but even he doesn't bend and contort his body like ZSJ does). He makes submission wrestling look insane with that mix of MMA submissions and just pure windy man nonsense. Ibushi didn't get a lot of offense other than strikes. The end was very quick, a running knee then a kamigoye for the pin. Wasn't a bad match but certainly not their best but it did the job.

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Taichi

The match started off with Taichi powerbombing Tana off the top rope onto the canvas during Tana's entrance during that corner spot pose (shouldn't have been that surprised). Shortly after that Douki came from backstage and attacked Tanahashi and was providing intereference here and there. A lot of the early going was Taichi but Tana did get a lot of control throughout the middle and then it evened up a lot and turned into a lot of Dangerous T vs Tanahashi. With it being relatively clean afterwards with Taichi just striking the hell out of Tanahashi (and honestly, he was dominating the strike game against him). Tanahashi however would get some momentum from some dragon screws and twist and shouts and switchblades of his own. Taichi however would be able to get a quick flurry towards the end, last ride into the superkick, tear off pants came off for the first time in the tour and black mephisto was hit, and that was all she wrote. Overall, a very decent match between the two. Certainly focused a lot on the psycological aspects here (as you would expect from two of the better psycological wrestlers in the company going right now).

After the match, Taichi would lock on his finishing submission (which the name escapes me) after the match, young lions come in and try to stop it, they get run off by Douki. Ibushi then goes out and confronts Taichi and they have a face off until the two on one attack comes, then both Ibushi and Tana get hit with the tag belts. So it looks like the challenge is set, Golden Ace vs Dangerous Tekkers for the tag titles at Dominion (and low key hope it leads to Dark Ibushi staging a coup of Suzuki-Gun, cause I'd have to imagine Suzuki taking an L in the first round doesn't bode well for his future).


Either way, good show, Sho vs Takagi is the one to really watch and i'd say the semi and main are good but take some time to get into it.
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Post#491 » by Spens1 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:48 pm

Last night of round 1 in the New Japan Cup and it's really a tale of two halves.

Yoh vs Bushi

This was downright terrible. I think both Yoh and Bushi got injured cause it was at half pace and was sloppy and pretty poor technically and wrestled at half pace. Complete flop of a match really and the less said about this one, the better.

Yoshi Hashi vs Hiroyoshi Tenzan

Not all that bad, Yoshi Hashi actually got an alright match out of Tenzan. It wasn't that great but it did the job. Yoshi Hashi kind of wrestled more as the heel if anything and it was decent.

CHAOS vs LIJ

This was one of the funniest multi man tag matches this year. The match was mainly built around Yano vs Takahashi and the fact that Yano ten years ago shaved Takahashi's head as a young lion. Hiromu was absolutely terrified of Yano and it led to some top tier comedy. Yano bringing out two shavers somehow out of his tights and chasing Hiromu around Korakuen and leading to a double countout was great. We also saw Shingo vs Sho continue their battle as Shingo came in hot against Sho trying to avenge last night, we also got a good interaction between Shingo and Ishii along with Naito and Okada getting some in ring time and even Hiromu and Okada (which would be an amazing match). However This was all about Hiromu and Yano really.

Hirooki Goto vs Yujiro Takahashi

Better than it had any right to be and a reminder that Yujiro can actually wrestle pretty well when he wants to and Goto is a top tier wrestler (even if he mostly loses when it counts). This was a good, nearly 20 minute matchup that actually was relatively clean (at least for Yujiro). Showed off both mens moveset nicely. Goto however will be the one moving on here and no surprises really.

EVIL vs Satoshi Kojima

This match delivered really well. EVIL showing he can be relied upon in these main event situations and Kojima showing he's the best of the dads (he looks better than Suzuki atm to be honest). Kojima can absolutely go and should probably wrestle more singles matches, by far the best of the dads and is actually in shape. A lot of this match was built around Kojima's arm and the fact that he couldn't really hit that cozy lariat, with EVIL working over that arm for most of the match. Got some really good psycology, high spots and even some top rope moves courtesy of Kojima surprisingly enough and a big superplex. This match was a very good match.

Anyway 2nd round is over and here are the matchups:

Togi Makabe vs. Tomohiro Ishii (June 24)
Toru Yano vs. Hiromu Takahashi (June 24)
Yoshinobu Kanemaru vs. Taiji Ishimori (June 24)
Yuji Nagata vs. Kazuchika Okada (June 24)
SHO vs. SANADA (July 1)
Kota Ibushi vs. Taichi (July 1)
YOSHI-HASHI vs. BUSHI (July 1)
Hirooki Goto vs. EVIL (July 1)

I'm 15/16 for my bracket (how the hell was I supposed to know Suzuki of all people would lose to Nagata), though now i'm a bit worried cause Yano I know will mess up my bracket, Kanemaru vs Ishimori is a coin toss, Ibushi SHOULD win but Taichi may take it honestly and Goto vs EVIL is also a coin toss (but Goto is suffering is a rule that Gedo abides by religiously almost).

Tomorrow night will be very solid as you can see. Makabe vs Ishii is practically the matchup that the NEVER Openweight division was built upon (at least in this iteration). Yano vs Hiromu will probably be the funniest match of the year, Kanemaru and Ishimori is sure to be a good one with their history (Ishimori is like 0-12 against Kanemaru, going back to their time in NOAH and there is deep history with them from NOAH) and the battle between the best wrestler of this generation and the best wrestler of the third generation.

Then next week Wednesday, Sho and Sanada technically should be solid, Ibushi vs Taichi honestly should be an incredibly high octane and hard hitting matchup (give us Dangerous T vs Dark Ibushi please) and Goto and EVIL should be good. That Yoshi Hashi vs Bushi matchup....... I have no words for that though.
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Post#492 » by Spens1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:45 am

Semi final night 1 and decent show up and down the card honestly.

Taji Ishimori vs Yoshinobu Kanemaru

It was good but i think it could have been a lot better. They did acknowledge the history between the two men (I think if Charlton was doing live commentary on the english side he would have absolutely have given the backstory which would have helped tremendously, this is something the english commentary does better than the japanese side i think). The end spot was pretty cool with Ishimori more or less choking Kanemaru with his highball and then turning the momentum.

Given the context of the New Japan Cup, it was good but didn't really do this major feud justice and sure didn't make for the most satisfying first win for Ishimori (like if this was in NOAH, it would have been a massive match and if you also watch NOAH and then watched this, it would feel like a rather flat payoff). This should have been longer i'd say.

Togi Makabe vs Tomohiro Ishii

Of course they started where they left off from their last feud for the NEVER openweight title. This feud basically was the NEVER openweight division for a while honestly, the two biggest names of that division just hammered each other, stiff as anything (like Ishii legit look like he was hitting him as hard as he could). It was a brutal match and even though Makabe doesn't move like he used to (he has gotten a lot slower since their last major feud) but it was good all the same.

Douki, Taichi and ZSJ vs Tanahashi, Ibushi & Taguchi

Bit of a nothing 6 man tag mainly building towards the Golden Tekkers vs Golden Ace tag team title match at dominion most likely and the Ibushi vs Taichi new japan cup match. Surprisingly Taguchi got the win but then a post match attack and a brief fightback means this feud continues obviously. Honestly it isn't that complicated and i can't imagine the tag team matches adding a lot of elements to this match other than Taichi and ZSJ beating down Ibushi and Tana really.

Hiromu Takahashi vs Toru Yano

This was peak DDT, it really was. Absolutely amazing comedy match built on what Yano did to a young lion Hiromu a decade ago. This match was fought everywhere, with Hiromu actually getting some proper offense but Yano going for scissors and razors out (at one point i think even the timekeeper had one). Anyway, Yano did manage to cut a lock out of hiromu's hair and tied Hiromu to Yota Tsuji, despite that, Hiromu managed to tape Yano's hands and then taped over his eyes and pushing him into an elevator, sending him to the basement. Hiromu had to work with Tsuji and just about got back to the ring before the 20 count to end the match. It was brilliantly creative and an incredibly fun comedy match. This is comedy done really well and this is how you copy DDT style comedy well. Wasn't a traditional strong style or technical match but I was highly sports entertained.

Kazuchika Okada vs Yuji Nagata

I actually was a bit dissappointed with this, granted basically nothing was beating that Suzuki vs Nagata match but this was actually was more like two wrestlers wrestling at different paces. I mean it was a decent match but given the caliber that Okada is and the fact that Nagata had an absolutely amazing match with Suzuki, this should have been top tier. Overall, not bad and was a good showcase for Nagata, but not a must watch match either and ultimately, a match that was above average to good really.

Okada vs Ishimori and Hiromu vs Ishii in the next rounds. I was 3/4 cause Nagata screwed my bracket but at least with him out that side is sorted. Okada and Ishimori should be interesting, both are toruyamon graduates and Okada vs Luchadors is usually quiet good cause he gets to show off his athleticism and he does wrestle better against smaller guys I feel. Hiromu and Ishii however I think is a potential MOTY, 5 star classic. Ishii doesn't have bad matches with anyone and Hiromu is probably the most high profile jr wrestler in the world today with the ability to match. if this gets time it should be a wild one.

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Post#493 » by Spens1 » Wed Jul 1, 2020 12:30 pm

This is what, 2nd round night 2 i think (night 7 overall, idk, its been a week)

Even I couldn't be bothered with Yoshi Hashi vs Bushi. Heard it was a match, I don't think I missed all that much, Yoshi Hashi goes through as expected.

Sanada vs Sho

This was not bad, but not great either, they were not that good of a mix I feel, the mix in styles did not go over as well as I thought. Also Sanada needs to throw the skull end in the bin. Its probably the worst finisher in pro wrestling (submission or otherwise), what's worse is that they literally zoomed in on this submission that was basically over his hair pretty much. It wasn't too bad for a 2nd round match though I guess, its just that I don't think this matchup is going to lead to some long term feud.

LIJ (Naito, Shingo & Hiromu vs Ishii, Yano & Tsuji)

This was actually pretty good. Tsuji actually managed to hit Naito with some moves amazingly enough, they had a continuation (slightly) of Hiromu and Yano, Shingo matching up with Tsuji but this was mainly to build up Hiromu vs Ishii and they did a good job, we had no nonsense Hiromu vs Ishii. This match if the exchanges in the tag are any indication, should be brilliant. This was low key a highlight.

Ibushi vs Taichi

First 10 minutes where a wash of interference, however after that, it finally became a really good, hard hitting matchup with two wrestlers with very similar striking games. Very much a strong style match based on kicking rather than chops and strikes which was interesting to see. After the 10 minute mark it became very good but this always felt like a build moreso to the tag team title match at dominion (even if it isn't confirmed, its pretty much set in stone). They did finally have Taichi use the Iron Claw (which he inherited from Iizuka after he retired last year) to win a major matchup after the ref was down. I wish they did a straight up match but to get Ibushi (1 of only 4 legit main eventers and threats to the world title), this was a good way to do it. I picked Ibushi (foolishly) forgetting that they would have built up the tag team matchup. Either way, Sanada vs Taichi should be a good match I think (they've had good matches before anyway)

Hirooki Goto vs EVIL

Now this match was damn solid. Traditional strong style brawl that started before the bell could even ring. What shocked me was the end, had to watch that ending again but EVIL kicked Goto in the balls and then hit his finisher to win but I'm actually shocked that they had him blatently cheat, then again, this is LIJ, a few years back this was their bread and butter so I shouldn't be too shocked by this development.

tomorrow night are the following matches in the first lot of quarters (block semi finals):

Tomohiro Ishii vs. Hiromu Takahashi
Kazuchika Okada vs. Taiji Ishimori
Taichi vs. SANADA
YOSHI-HASHI vs. EVIL

All those matches should be really good (yes, even Yoshi Hashi vs EVIL, provided that the awkward landing on that knee isn't too serious).
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Post#494 » by Spens1 » Thu Jul 2, 2020 12:45 pm

So we have the quarter finals done and what a night of wrestling that was. Best night overall I think with all 4 matches really delivering (even though Yoshi Hashi and EVIL was like 5 minutes and more an angle, it was really damn good).

Tomohiro Ishii vs Hiromu Takahashi

I said this was one to watch and my god did they deliver. One of the best matches (i'm not sure if this is better than Shingo vs Sho but it may be better at the same time). This was basically disrespectful Ishii challenging Takahashi and Takahashi feeling disrespected which meant no nonsense Hiromu. Hiromu didn't do a lot of high flying offense but this was still a fast, hard hitting banger of a match. Best match today out of any of the three shows easily. My jaw was basically on the floor though when HIromu managed to win, I did not expect that (Hiromu screwed up my pickems :lol: that's now like 3 matches i'm down).

EVIL vs Yoshi Hashi

I loved the way they did this, Yoshi Hashi really was messed up and they sold it. EVIL went nuts and attacked Yoshi Hashi before the bell and did a con-chair-to to Yoshi Hashi's damaged knee before the bell with the young lions and ref surrounding him. I thought they may call no contest for a sec but they let the match start and whilst Yoshi Hashi tried to fight, EVIL just countered by targeting his knee. He then locked in the scorpion death lock (basically a variation of the single leg boston crab) and that's all she wrote, Yoshi hashi didn't tap but the ref called for it (ref stoppage) in just under 5 minutes. EVIL even attacked Yoshi Hashi's leg post match.

EVIL actually looks, well, evil for like the first time in like 2 years. He looks absolutely deadly. Brilliant stuff honestly

LIJ vs CHAOS 6 man tag

This was pretty short, the main story here was Sho and Shingo which got most of the time, Yuya definately is not some generic young lion, he actually has a pulse it seems in terms of showing some attitude. I'm not entirely sure if Yuya ends up in CHAOS after his excursion cause he already shows this much aggression (same with Coughlin), he seems primed almost to return from excursion as a big time heel (I can't see him playing some happy go lucky generic face), then again CHAOS needs to go away, its not even really a faction anymore so I doubt it exists by the time he's back from excursion anyway (or at least not in this form). Shame we didn't get more Goto vs Naito cause that's a hell of a feud (and Goto brings out the most heelish tendancies out of Naito other than Ibushi, I expect full heel Naito to show up if they ever feud). Surprisingly, Bushi got the pin over Yuya (Yuya was always going to lose but I thought Naito or Shingo would get the pin).

Okada vs Ishimori

This match was pretty good but the weakest match out of the 4 cup matches tonight, if not a bit slow given its Ishimori and you'd think being a junior he wouldn't try to wrestle like some power wrestler (he's an incredibly strong junior but he's giving up around 60-80 pounds on Okada). Intereference from Gedo was fairly prominent also so I think that prevented this match from hitting top gear. At the end though Ishimori legit started dominating a bit, had two incredibly close falls and even nearly tapped out Okada. At the end though, Okada manged to submit Ishimori with that new move, Okada isn't moving that far down the card this time it seems, he's going to be there abouts for a while in that main event scene.

Sanada vs Taichi

This was really damn good, surprised it went last but it was the right call absolutely. Other than some nonsense with Kanemaru it was relatively clean and Taichi and Sanada actually meshed really well. Really edge of your seat stuff with Taichi's brawling and even Sanada bringing a bit of grit here. Dangerous T got a good showing and 100% was treated like a threat even without the tomfoolery. End sequence was a shock as Sanada won another match with a O'Connor Roll again for a second time in the tornuament after Kanemaru did run intereference whilst Taichi tapped to Skull End (so red shoes didn't see it, which led to Sanada being stuck in skull end himself (and Taichi does the move better which goes to show you how bad the move is), in the end though, Sanada just outsmarted Taichi to win. This was a 20 minute match but it just flew by, I'd put this in the do watch pile, probably 3rd or 4th best match of the tornuament after Sho vs Shingo, The opener tonight and Suzuki vs Nagata from round 1. Sanada can absolutely deliver as can Taichi if given the right amount of time. A worthy main event and hopefully both men play a bigger role in the upper mid card scene and even in the main event for Sanada (Hopefully they seperate the IC belt from naito cause both men could really make that belt special, though I don't think Taichi is done with that belt).


Overall, best night of the tornuament thus far, the two and a bit hours of show just flew by.

Even though Takahashi has been amazing and Sanada is the guy being built up, the guy who has come out looking the best in the last two nights and is the most intriguing act as to where they go with this is EVIL. We've gotten full blown heel EVIL which is a massive shock and I love it, we need something of a shakeup, they may not do it to LIJ but I wouldn't be shocked of EVIL does pull of something.

Tomorrow night is Takahashi vs Okada (Give me the full Takahashi experience vs Godkada) and then Sanada vs Evil, the best tag team (alongside G.O.D) in the last 3 years facing off against each other, both are very much at the top of the upper mid card so this should be a banger.
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Post#495 » by Spens1 » Fri Jul 3, 2020 1:19 pm

Semi Finals tonight and it was eventful

Didn't really watch the opening tags that closely (I did watch the latter half of the LIJ vs CHAOS one) but SHO vs Shingo parts where solid. Interesting ending and pretty much confirmation that we're getting Shingo vs SHO for the never openweight title. Though I think it did highlight something to me and my evolution as a fan watching New Japan and that's my absolute contempt for CHAOS and what its become post Nakamura. CHAOS was my faction for a long time (at least from when I started watching till around 2017/18) but since they aligned with Hontai and Taguchi Japan its an absolute joke of a faction. They have lost all semblance of what made them unique or cool. Just fold the faction and call it a day.

Then, my god, the worst debut I think i've ever seen in New Japan (even worse than Okada's), this was the hokiest thing i've seen. I burst out laughing seeing Kawato's goofy looking ass there with a Yoshi Hashi type expression. To top it all off, he comes, does this weird pose and makes a weird face and gets attacked by Douki of all people. That's not even getting to his name, he's going by Master Wato now :lol: this whole thing was a mess. Now it is Gedo so he can turn this around (and he probably will), either that or he's going to be a jobber in which case, what a big fall from grace it was, at one point it looked like he would actually be fairly high on the jr's list and was the main young lion alongside Kitamura.

Sanada vs EVIL

This match was very good back and forth with both evenly matched. EVIL was using chairs and anything he could to win basically. There was one really scary spot where Sanada was going for some move and spiked his head from the top rope, it was really nasty looking, hopefully the injury isn't too serious. End came with EVIL throwing Sanada into Asami (cause Marty is legit the most useless of refs), hitting him in the balls (again, another one), attacking Sanada's neck and then then hitting another low blow and then Everything is Evil (an STO) for the win. Massive shock here that EVIL went over (it was trending as Sanada's tornuament, though if he hasn't put pen to paper) but even more than that, the manner in which it was done, it was full blown screwjob and EVIL outright cheating to win this against his tag team partner of all people. This will have much much bigger implications for their team (which I'd imagine unless Sanada somehow is cool with losing a world title shot, won't be happy at all with EVIL) and not only that, LIJ as a whole. I thought LIJ would be fine, but this isn't the normal LIJ tornuament hijincks, EVIL's ramped it to another level. People seemingly are saying EVIL will break up LIJ, I'm actually going for Naito actually being cool with it and Sanada being the one to turn heel fully (though I think both are ready for a push, EVIL or Sanada could take over Suzuki-Gun and feasibly be ahead of Taichi and ZSJ). Outside kayfabe its deserved for EVIL though, he's been the MVP alongside Takahashi for the tornuament whilst this is the only outright great match that Sanada has had thus far. Anyway I'm intrigued where this all goes, LIJ certainly is not fine.

Okada vs Hiromu

I straight up got worked, it started slow as per all Okada matches but then it picked up nicely and I legit thought Hiromu would win. Anyway fantastic storytelling and the first proper Okada match that was good (he's had a shocker, was involved in the worst match, had a fairly mediocre match after Nagata went and had the best match thus far at that point and then the match against Taiji being a bit underwhelming). Then we got peak **** heel Okada coming and overkilling Hiromu after he kicked out of the Timebomb and nearly lost. This went 25 minutes and it was good. I was thoroughly worked. Though I think it made me realise, Okada is so so SO much better as a heel its not even funny. He isn't some wholesome babyface, not by a long shot, he's less Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and more Ric Flair and honestly they should book him as such. With the lack of any real heels, he should be heel like 90% of the time (only time he should even be a face is against the likes of Bullet Club and Suzuki-Gun, he should be heel basically at all other times).

We avoided Okada vs Sanada (and it ruined my bracket in the process, it was hanging on by a thread, now its completely shattered) but Okada vs EVIL isn't much better. I fully expect them to run EVIL vs Naito instead of re-running the main event of Dominion (if Okada wins Osaka may actually riot as it is a show with crowds, also Naito has only defended it once against KENTA and then lockdown, and now this, granted I think Jay White was probably meant to make the run instead, hence I imagine the original thing was for White to get massive amounts of heat).

I hope there is a massive post dominion shake up to the roster in terms of factions, other than bullet club, they all need changes, CHAOS needs to fold and two new factions need to come out of that mega face monstrosity that is CHAOS/Taguchi Japan/Hontai (obviously Hontai is Hontai and will always be there but even without the dads and young lions, you would comfortably get 2 new factions). Suzuki-Gun situation needs to be resolved ASAP as well, they've been the weakest faction by far for the last 2 years and Suzuki is downright declining and just took a first round loss to a dad for crying out loud. If that shouldn't spell trouble for the man idk what will. LIJ situation as well needs to actually lead somewhere, no way in hell should there be the 'water under the bridge' phase after the cup, EVIL and Sanada should absolutely have beef moving forward. I suspect that as it is Naito and Gedo likes screwing Naito more than anyone not named Hirooki Goto really :lol: that something will happen here.
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#496 » by Spens1 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:18 pm

Well the New Japan cup is done and what. a. night

GBH beat Tsuji and Uemura to the surprise of no one. the two young lions do look impressive though and definately have more edge than usual youngins.

Tenkoji beat Goto & Kidd in a decent enough undercard tag

Sanada & Bushi take the L as Yujiro of all people pins Bushi

Despy pins Taguchi in their multi man setting up the IWGP tag team title matchup between Dangerous Tekkers and Golden Ace.

Anyway those are unimportant, we're all here for the two singles really.


Master Wato vs Douki.......

I mean it was a good match don't get me wrong but i'm not feeling it with Kawato and this gimmick, not to mention him being saved by Tenzan of all people at the end and seemingly joining hontai does not help making this guy feel like a massive geek. Then again now that Kanemaru attacked him, it will be interesting to see if he can beat Uncle Nobu, what happens with him.

Kazuchika Okada vs EVIL

Wow, ok where to begin. the match itself wasn't anything to write home about tbh, thought Okada has been rather sub par this entire tornuament other than the Hiromu match and again, this was pretty meh. But the main meat and potatoes occurs towards the end. EVIL is about to lose but for some reason, Bullet Club gets involved and Yujiro attacks Okada which was just weird (though you're thinking in the back of your head, no way, are they going to do it). EVIL tries to take advantage but Okada comes back in, but as he's in that Cobra Clutch (another thing, Okada's cockiness 100% cost him this, he insisted by not winning via rainmaker). EVIL shoves him into the ref, low blows him again, hits darkness falls and eventually an STO (Everything is EVIL) to win the cup but that's just the beginning.

EVIL then calls out Naito to the ring, Naito says he loves this side of him, they go for the LIJ fistbump but just as they're about to, EVIL two sweets Naito's fist and hits the STO and then the rest of the Bullet Club boys come in, they two sweet over Naito (as well as EVIL stamping on the LIJ hat, if not confirming that he's gone from LIJ) and attack him before the remainder of LIJ come in (Shingo just looked sad and Hiromu was screaming at EVIL almost saying 'how could you do this to us' sort of way), Bushi and Sanada tended to Naito (though Sanada couldn't care less tbh as always).

This is the first faction defection from LIJ in its 4 year history and the first faction jump since KENTA jumped to Bullet Club from hontai last year at the G1 finals and really the first proper inter factional jump (cause Hontai ain't a faction really) since Jay White became bullet club leader in 2018 and honestly the most shocking jump in years (I thought it would be Sanada for sure if he went to Bullet Club).

Anyway it will be interesting to see where they go from here, its clear that EVIL will be the main guy for the time being with both White and KENTA in the states and therefore they have no proper singles guys to compete so that's why right now its needed. In the future I'd imagine EVIL is becoming the factions #2 over KENTA and just behind Jay White (most factions have 3 legit heavyweights).

I honestly think more is to come though cause when it rains, it pours (my money is on Ibushi sometime this year turning on Tanahashi and ousting Suzuki, Dark Ibushi is worth too much money, also Ibushi is the only one of the big 4 that doesn't lead a faction and is one of the few guys who could legitimately oust Suzuki and is believable in that role). I did say the factions needed a big shakeup and this may just be the start, i think we need some factions to die, be revamped and new factions to form around younger stars, the factions need to better reflect the reality of the promotion right now (i.e. Suzuki mainly, but Tanahashi as well is nowhere near the main event realistically anymore, he'd be behind guys like EVIL, Sanada and even ZSJ most likely on the pecking order).

For LIJ, i do wonder where they go from here, in a way its about right, they rolled through for years before Shingo joined with 3 heavy's and 2 juniors so i could see them staying this way but i wouldn't be shocked if another junior comes in (just hopefully not Kawato, maybe Shota or Ren in a couple of years).
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#497 » by Spens1 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:59 am

Dominion show was on tonight. Read no further if you haven't watched, it is spoiler heavy and will be talking about results and the storylines going forward


Oh. My. God (if ever Joey Styles was needed, it was tonight).

Didn't watch the 6 man tags (heard Goto got pinned by Yujiro in the Yuj + Taiji vs Okada + Goto match, remember kids, Being Goto is suffering, rule #1 of New Japan). No Wato turn, this better be some KENTA type slow burn turn otherwise despite being a decent wrestler, Wato looks like a massive geek and frankly he's been good in the ring from what i saw last night (I mean he got a decent match out of freaking Douki).

Never Openweight Title - Shingo Takagi (c) vs SHO - *****

What a match. This was very much in the same vein of their New Japan Cup match but turned up even more. They did not hold back, this was a proper strong style brawl. Sho i'd say had the better of it but it was really good back and forth. In the end Shingo reversed SHO and hit last of the dragon, it came down to Shingo's experience. Great story here in the continuing rivalry between these two dating all the way back to Takagi's debut (his debut match and unveiling as against RP3K by the way back in 2018, that's how long this feud has been going, Gedo loves his long term storytelling).

IWGP Tag Team titles - Golden Ace (Ibushi & Tanahashi) (c) vs Dangerous Tekkers (ZSJ & Taichi) - ***1/4

This match started off damn slow, took 20 minutes to get into it which is about the only reason i'm rating it so low cause the last 10 minutes they really went off. To be fair this was less a workrate match (cause lets face it, Tanahashi's so cooked at this point he isn't going to have a conventional classic, he has been relying heavily on psychology, not a bad thing though cause him, Naito and Okada are probably the best in the business at it). Match ended with basically a 5 minute torture session of Tanahashi's legs after Ibushi got hit by the iron claw from Taichi (the one he inherited from Iizuka). I counted 6 inverted and 6 conventional dragon screw leg whips per leg by ZSJ and then the tag finisher. It was a murder of Tanahashi to the point where he was actually sobbing and screaming out in pain (i don't mean like 'screaming in pain' as an expression, i mean he basically was screaming and sobbing) which honestly was top notch selling by Tanahashi. It made me believe that he was legit being murdered or at least his career was being ended and that he'd never walk again. As a match, technically it wasn't great perse, but as a story it did a damn good job.

IWGP Intercontinental & IWGP World Championship - Tetsuya Naito (c) vs EVIL - ****3/4

Easily the most emotionally charged match in recent years for a number of reasons. First of all, EVIL has new music and attire and despite EVIL's last theme being the best in the company, this also is about equal to that, it still is fantastic and honestly just screams final boss music, its main event music (then again, so was his last theme tbf). Attire too was on point (loved the bullets on his shoulder pad armour thing). Anyway Naito comes out and theres this absolute look of sadness, betrayal, heartbreak and anger on his face which he keeps for the entire match (like a 'how could you, of all people, do this to me). He was Naito's first Pareja after all, the first man recruited to LIJ out of everyone (before even Hiromu or Bushi). Of course EVIL comes in with the Bullet Club (or at least the scrubs + Ishimori) and of course Red Shoes sends them to the back. This was a hell of a emotional rollercoaster. Naito was not wasting time, not really following the rules himself, hair grabbing, using the ropes etc. Just anything to hurt him. Match goes outside and Naito throws EVIL into the barracade etc. Then EVIL reverses it and does the same, brings out a table. A bit later after the action goes outside again. EVIL passes Milano (who is still holding up his little sycthe and fan, almost in denial, the poor man is so broken he was sobbing last night), and grabs the sycthe and breaks it over his knee. Milano jumps over the barracade and EVIL just beats the poor man and irish whips him into the other guard rail, with poor Milano just crumpling down and sobbing again (give all your prayers to Milano, may be the worst two nights of his entire life). Crowd was meant to be keeping silent and just clapping, after that they legit starting booing heavily (well, for a 4k crowd it was nuclear). EVIL puts Naito through a table (gimmicked, if it was a proper japanese table Naito would have lost a leg) so that messed his knee (and he got a back cut too for good measure). EVIL gets out a chair and then Red Shoes picks up a table and is just on his knees holding up this piece of table protecting himself and Naito :lol: :lol: :lol: one of the most unintentionally hillarious moments of the year. Puts in the scorpion death lock and it looks like Naito may tap or pass out (but he doesn't). Then a bit of back and forth and Naito starts getting back in and by this point, its half an hour and it absolutely flew by. Of course a few minutes later, the ref spot occurs (cause Red Shoes). Jado starts walking out but you know he's so slow that Naito will have made a full recovery by the time he reached the ring (he's legit slower than the Undertaker if that's possible). Sadly, Ishimori comes sprinting past and springboard sentons Naito and holds Naito up for Jado and that damn stick, Hiromu however sprints down and makes the save. Now we get Naito and EVIL on somewhat even terms until another ref spot (again, cause Red Shoes is blind) and then, what looked like Bushi came out, if Bushi gained 50 pounds overnight and became buff. Naito thinks its Bushi (somehow) and then fake Bushi gets the bike lock and strangles him with it. EVIL takes advantage, hits that STO.

1.2.3. EVIL is your new World Heavyweight Champion. Throughout that 3 count I was thinking no way they do this, Naito's going to kick out surely, but nope. EVIL is Double Champ (in fact he's technically Threevil cause he has the 6 man tags as well).

After the match EVIL unveils Buff Bushi to be in fact Dick Togo (at this point I started laughing however, i was like really, you couldn't get someone younger or someone i hadn't seen fairly recently doing comedy stuff, as legit as he is, i was watching some DDT matches with him doing incredibly goofy stuff). So I guess EVIL has a new corner man (Jado is the general corner man and Gedo is Switchblade's guy, so EVIL's cornerman is Dick Togo).

They then have a two on one attack until Hiromu again runs down and makes the save. and this is what he said

Hiromu: EVIL! How does it feel? What's going on in your mind right now? Tell me, tell me now! I don't care about anything else, just tell me how you feel right damn now! I have a favour to ask of you, EVIL. Let me challenge for those belts you just took! If you're too scared to put them both up, one or the other is fine!


So Hiromu is up next, he'll challenge for one of the belts (most likely the world title) at Sengoku Lord in Aichi in two weeks time. I don't like his chances but Hiromu is legit top 5, maybe top 3 in terms of most over talents and maybe the most talented wrestler on the roster. At some stage in the near future i do hope Hiromu does become world champ, hell, i'd take Hiromu as ace of the entire company (he's that damn good).

EVIL goes to pick up the mic but then just drops it and walks away with Togo, whilst Hiromu is shaking with rage and he just drops to his knees and screams in absolute anger and anguish over the nights events. In the back EVIL said he's triple champ and Naito is done, whilst he accepts HIromu's challenge and said he'd smash him apart.

These last two nights honestly have been the biggest seismic change in the company arguably since LIJ came in and this betrayal and title win is the biggest since the Okada shock 8 years ago. It had an air of that in terms of unbelievability. EVIL, who couldn't beat Ishii and was on a massive singles losing streak dating back to last year before this cup, becomes the double champ. Naito's world title run ends after 1 title defense as well (then again, he still looks ridiculously strong, almost op in a way, the only naito match with more intereference that i can remember was his match last year against Taichi at New Beginning at Sapporo, Naito could have gotten shot and he still would have kicked out at 2 and a half). EVIL becomes the 4th man not named Naito, Okada, Tanahashi or Nakamura to win the world title. First was AJ Styles when he came in and beat Tana on his first night, he joined the big 4. then it was Omega beating Okada, he was already part of the new 3 muskateers at this point and was leader of the bullet club and had won the G1, then it was Jay White, who just murdered Okada in 14 minutes and was facing off against Tanahashi, who despite a fantastic run in, was still Tanahashi and broken as hell, plus White was always destined for big things and had held singles gold in the form of the U.S title. EVIL's run comes out of absolutely nowhere and I think you could say, if Naito winning at WK was the final chapter of his career, then we're now in the epilogue in a way. I think its not just the end of Naito as a main eventer potentially (i mean i could see maybe Naito having another world title run, but it will never be the same and he'll never have this aura of invincibility and fan connection again as his run to it was really a once in a decade storyline, kind of like Bryan's, where all the ducks lined up, including the fans) and we're now having the new generation stepping up (EVIL becoming a leading figure in Bullet Club and is now world champ, Hiromu stepping up as a challenger).

Tonight was a night for the newer generation and it maybe the case that Naito's generation (4th gen) other than maybe Ibushi are done as main eventers and that in fact, its now time for new stars to rise the ranks and lay claim to the top of the card. It may not be immediate, but i think the rise has started. Hiromu is first batter up, I can imagine Shingo will eventually get involved and then I think there is a very big matchup ahead given their history. EVIL vs Sanada, what a feud this could be. Assuming Sanada signs that damn contract, its clear he's been set up as the #2 guy in the company at some point and Okada's main rival.

I think Covid, given that shows are 1/3rd capacity and all the foreigners minus ZSJ are overseas, i think Gedo is using it as a chance to build new main event stars. I'm curious to see where Golden Ace goes (low key hope it leads to Ibushi-Gun, just let the man get a world title run please) as well as LIJ. I don't think they're long for this company honestly. I can't see LIJ surviving too much longer (I don't mean dying in 6 months, but maybe a year or two before they're one for the history books) just due to the fact that Hiromu, other than EVIL, is the breakout star of this Cup and they have big plans for Sanada. I could see Naito and Shingo becoming a tag team at some point (in a year maybe, cause both will almost be 40). I think Gedo is surely going to start messing with factions now. A lot of the people will be thinking 'wtf is he doing' and reaction has been similar to when White won the title but look how Jay White turned out. In my eyes, EVIL is even more of a sure thing than White is. He is fantastic in the ring (has a catalogue of fantastic matches now), has charisma for days (usually one of the guys that gets the most views for promos and has a super over catchphrase and has this enigmatic aura about him as well). EVIL as a top star to me is an obvious choice, i don't think they intended to do it so soon however.

My theory is the original plan was probably for White to be walking out with the world title and EVIL as IC champ at first (with maybe KENTA as Never champ) and they'd slow build EVIL to the main event but covid messed things up. I think Sanada has a fairly good chance of winning the G1 (I think Hiromu and Naito will come close as well, Okada could be in the mix but i don't think Okada is going for the world title, wouldn't shock me if he's going for the IC title, cause Gedo loves them lessons and Okada probably needs one in humility cause he lost the Cup because of not just interference, but his cockiness and insistence on finishing via the cobra clutch).

I now think that with Covid, and the fact that drawing a gate isn't the biggest concern (they'll draw 1/3rd regardless) they're running that bullet club takes over everything angle that they wanted to run 2 years ago with EVIL at the helm.

Anyway, whoever watched this, what are your thoughts about the show?
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#498 » by Spens1 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:16 pm

I think in about 2 years once Naito and Ibushi are down the card (and hopefully after Ibushi gets his title run, even if its short), then i think the main event is as follows:

1. Okada (a 34 year old Okada, so still incredibly young in wrestling terms, but his knee is cause for concern, and he is looking slower than before, i think by the time he's 33/34 he will 100% have to change how he wrestles to be slower and a bit more like a traditional new japan ace. I also think he'll be due a challenge to his acehood, or at least the beginning of it, much like Tanahashi faced, so he has a good 2-3 years before he is surpassed as ace)

2. SANADA (at 33 years old himself, I think if Sanada is still around in New Japan he'll be the clear cut #2 guy and probably the most over guy in the company, I hope he starts to emote more and changes up his moveset a bit including ditching skull end, if he does that, he'll be an absolute star of the wrestling world). I think he will have won the world title at least once by this point.

3. EVIL (Now 35, EVIL will have established himself as one of the top guys in the company, i don't think his current double champ run will be that long, i think the belts will be seperated by at the latest, wrestle kingdom 15)

4. Jay White (At just 29 years old at this point, White is still the youngest, i think he'll be the first gaijin they bring in as a current big 4 member, i think at this point they'll have turned him face, i honestly think he'll be recognised as the best wrestler in the world potentially, well, either him, Hiromu or Sanada will).

HM: Hiromu (He'll only be 32 at this point, so 1-3 years younger than the rest of the big 4, i would not be shocked that if Sanada doesn't sign that contract and goes to the states, that Hiromu will be the main beneficiary and be the #2 guy, the dark ace if you will and fill Naito's role as the people's ace, he, to me if Okada's injuries get worse, could be a legit candidate to take the aceship at least in the interim until one of Shota or Ren are ready for it).

On top of that, you have Shota Umino, Ren Narita, Yuya Uemura and Yota Tsuji from the young lions along with guys like SHO who will all be either in their mid 20's or in their early 30's in Sho's case.

Another bold prediction, only Bullet Club will be left standing in 2 years time, Suzuki-Gun, CHAOS and LIJ will all be dead and Bullet Club will die itself once Fale and G.O.D either retire or in G.O.D's case, go to the states full time (and i think that realistically could be within 2 years itself, Tama said he doesn't want to wrestle deep into his 40's and i could see Fale just dedicating himself to backstage stuff like Rocky at some point soon, I think Tanga Loa then becomes the odd man out really).

Tonight i think was truly the beginning of a new era for new japan. Not in the switchblade kind of way, if the 2010's was the era of Tanahashi, Makabe and Nakamura on top with Naito, Goto and Okada on the cusp, we'll now have the likes of EVIL, Sanada, Hiromu, White and Okada on top with Umino, Narita and Sho challenging their status.
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#499 » by Spens1 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:15 pm

Sengoku Lord happened and for the most part, actually a by the numbers PPV, it was a good PPV but after the madness of dominion, this was far more normal.

LIJ attacks a ref in the prelims (I mean, the refs are dumb)

Wato is already forgotten about as is.

Onto the singles matches



Kazuchika Okada vs Yujiro Takahashi

This was boring, honestly, this was a boring match. Okada has had about 1 really good match since the restart and that was his match with Hiromu, sans that Taiji Ishimori match, everything else has sucked quiet frankly. He needs to lose about 10 pounds to take the weight of his bum knee. Yujiro as well didn't have that good of a showing all things considered. Okada doesn't have the same ability to elevate someone like an Ibushi or Ishii does and often wrestles down to their level and this was evident here.

NEVER Openweight Championship - Shingo Takagi vs El Desperado

Short and Sweet, as it should be. I think Despy going for the underhanded method worked well and Shingo sold it like death. Shingo is probably the best wrestler in the company at the moment. He honestly is the perfect representative for that belt, i'd have him just go through everyone they can and even bring guys from outside even (let him go a year as champ, rack up 10+ defenses with the belt) and have him be the most dominant champion in that titles history. He can bring prestige to that belt with a monster run.

IWGP Heavyweight & Intercontinental Championships - EVIL vs Hiromu Takahashi

Before going into the review, Dick by name, Dick by nature. That's all that needs to be said, not sure if its a huge surprise that a man called Dick Togo, is indeed, a dick.

Anyway the match was solid but it went too long. They told the story however of Hiromu trying heavyweight things and failing, then going back to what makes HIromu, well Hiromu (i.e. fast paced, more junior heavyweight style tactics) and doing really well. So well in fact that he nearly won the match but alas, Bullet Club intereference meant that EVIL was able to change things here and take the W. Hiromu by all accounts had this match won, in new japan kayfabe he's probably the 3rd strongest active wrestler after Okada and Naito at this point. Anyway afterwards Ishimori attacked Hiromu, setting up a jr heavyweight title match there and Naito made the save and cut a promo (asking EVIL if he's lost and saying the rental period of the belts is over and its time to give them back), setting up a title match there (and hopefully separating the damn belts, ffs Gedo do it already). Liger was complaining that the IWGP Commision should step in :lol: they haven't done anything in damn well years.

My guess for their summer struggle show (which is an open air, baseball stadium show),

IWGP Heavyweight title - EVIL vs Tetsuya Naito
IWGP Jr Heavyweight Title - Hiromu Takahashi vs Taiji Ishimori
IWGP Tag Team titles - Dangerous Tekkers vs Golden Ace
Never Openweight Title - Shingo vs Someone (Not sure who, Doubt its uncle Nobu)
Wato/Tenzan vs Despy/Kanemaru

Its not too bad but they are certainly still hurting, not sure what's going to happen with Okada honestly, i'm sure he gets a match but where idk.
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#500 » by Spens1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:26 am

New Japan announced some things

- COVID time off doesn't count to time the title wasn't defended, so the jr, 6 man and US titles won't be vacated
- After the success of the Lions Gate shows in america, their is a new U.S based show called NJPW Strong to be shown on friday's weekly on njpw world (focusing on the american talents)

for the main announcement, Okada has started this KOPW 2020 title (yeah I know, a title named after a big 4 PPV is weird).

I'll just quote the thing since its weird:

The title is called the “KOPW 2020” (but there won’t be a belt), and looks like it’ll be an annual thing. The inaugural champion will be crowned at the Jingu event with a 4-way between 4 winners of 4 singles qualifying matches, and after that the winner of the title will defend it until the end of the year, in a similar way to how the G1 winner defends their title shot after winning the tournament.

The title matches (after this 4 way) will have stipulations which will be determined by fan votes (which are proposed by the competitors), so looks like there could be some very different matches in NJPW (which Okada acknowledged - interesting this came from him, the man who represents the tradition of the IWGP heavyweight title). Perhaps similar to WWE’s Cyber Sunday/Taboo Tuesday concept - he mentioned 2/3 falls matches, ladder matches and steel cage matches, as examples.

At an event at the end of the year the title holder will be presented with a trophy which concludes KOPW 2020, and next year they will crown a KOPW 2021 champion and continue in a similar way.


So as mentioned, cyber sunday/taboo tuesday title. Its a gimmick title but no belt as such. Just that you defend this title in gimmick matches all year as voted by the fans until the end of the calander year and if you hold it, you win.

Its interesting and if it keeps the other gimmicky stuff off the rest of the card i'm for it. Its to be seen how well executed it is though. Then again back in the day they used to have some incredibly gimmicky matches, also ZSJ doing submission matches, getting someone doing a deathmatch and it existing 'on the fringes of the company' as mentioned in the presser means an opportunity for outsiders to come and wrestle.

Suzuki also cut the promo of the year:

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ZSJ, Taichi and Naito as always all having fire promos, same for Kidd and Uemura for that matter. Tanahashi's promos have been interesting in terms of development and coming to terms with his decline seemingly (Ibushi straight up said 'step up' so development is there for dark Ibushi to murder Tana maybe).

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