WWE General Discussion II

improper · Post #521 » by **improper** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:32 pm

LLJ wrote:They'll throw Charlotte into the match to absorb some of the boos. That's pretty much Charlotte's role these days anyway. There's also a chance crowds will just be sick of all 3 women by Mania, judging by how much this match has been talked about and hyped for the past 6 months.

I'd laugh if Charlotte ended up winning the match though. I mean, at some point people have to realize Charlotte is going to get her 8th title win. She's not going to keep losing PPVs like she has been for the past 8-9 months.

Well, if Charlotte wins, it'll continue the trend of ending the show to a chorus of fans crapping on the product. I think we've had like five straight years of that now. Might as well make it six I guess. Pretty sure the last time the fans were happy with the finale of a 'Mania main event was when Rollins cashed in his briefcase and stole the title from Roman, and they were mostly just cheering because Roman didn't win.

LLJ · Post #522 » by **LLJ** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:44 pm

It's just that Becky has been booked so damned strong for about 6 months now, and Charlotte has been booked, relatively speaking, fairly weak since WM34. If you believe that this weak Charlotte booking is leading somewhere, then the logical "payoff" to the story is Charlotte winning her 8th at Wrestlemania. There doesn't seem to be any bigger way for her to do it than there.

Becky becoming wildly popular in the process may have changed plans, but at what point do they spring that inevitable big Charlotte win on everyone? It has to happen sometime--after all, there is no "good" time for Charlotte to win her 8th title since she's almost in every big women's match every few months anyway. The last 2 "threats" for her to win a big match were Evolution and TLC. And it was the same fan reaction every time: "Please don't let Charlotte win at Evolution" and "Please don't let Charlotte win at TLC" and they were avoided both times. But, the axe has to fall some time.

And considering they let Becky beat Charlotte black and blue during their feud a few months ago, quid pro quo would suggest that if Charlotte is in a Mania match with Becky, Charlotte will get her revenge over Becky by pinning Ronda for the RAW title.

bestnamezRtaken · Post #523 » by **bestnamezRtaken** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:15 pm

I think they're eventually going to have Charlotte break Ric's championship title record. People think it's gonna be Cena but I honestly think it might be Charlotte. She's still pretty young and has plenty of time, whether she gets number 8 at Mania or not, it'll happen this year at least twice.

iMoreland · Post #524 » by **iMoreland** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:22 pm

Charlotte deserves to main event WrestleMania, Becky would not be as over as she is without Charlotte

improper · Post #525 » by **improper** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:23 pm

bestnamezRtaken wrote:I think they're eventually going to have Charlotte break Ric's championship title record. People think it's gonna be Cena but I honestly think it might be Charlotte. She's still pretty young and has plenty of time, whether she gets number 8 at Mania or not, it'll happen this year at least twice.

I mean, she's already halfway there and she's been in WWE for like three years. Of course she's going to break that record, especially the way they hot shot their titles around these days and the fact that there are only about eight women worth a damn on the entire main roster and two titles to share between them.

LLJ · Post #526 » by **LLJ** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:46 pm

I've got nothing against Becky, in fact I'm happy she's found a breakthrough gimmick for her, and she is very good on the mic and passable in the ring...but I honestly wouldn't be unhappy if Charlotte gets the RAW title at Wrestlemania over Becky either. Becky's online fanbase is quickly becoming the most obnoxious fanbase since CM Punk's. So I would derive some pleasure in seeing a meltdown if Charlotte is the one who beats Ronda instead.

Spens1 · Post #527 » by **Spens1** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:53 am

So apart from Abyss and Sonjay Dutt. WWE have also signed slapnuts to be a producer and on air talent.

The WWE is trying to become TNA (all the way down to the LOLTNA moments), i'm actually a bit worried about this signing, whilst Jarrett was smart generally and booked some gold, their is some highly questionable angles as well, then again, at least he doesn't have creative control.

Scott Hall · Post #528 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:25 am

LLJ wrote:I've got nothing against Becky, in fact I'm happy she's found a breakthrough gimmick for her, and she is very good on the mic and passable in the ring...but I honestly wouldn't be unhappy if Charlotte gets the RAW title at Wrestlemania over Becky either. Becky's online fanbase is quickly becoming the most obnoxious fanbase since CM Punk's. So I would derive some pleasure in seeing a meltdown if Charlotte is the one who beats Ronda instead.

I've never gotten the appeal of her I still think she's not in Charlottes league. With that said I acknowledge shes wildly
over and have no problems with her push. I didn't want it to be another Roman situation where I felt like an innocent
bystander in this war between the fans and Vince.

But I've noticed how annoying and disrespectful her fan base is and I still hate "The Man" gimmick. I try to look
at her with an open mind and all I see is an average worker, with average mic skills, with an average look that
acts like she's entitled to something.

Different strokes for different folks I guess

Post #529 » by **bondom34** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:27 am

Well that gets me interested.

improper · Post #530 » by **improper** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:41 am

Scott Hall wrote:I've never gotten the appeal of her I still think she's not in Charlottes league. With that said I acknowledge shes wildly over and have no problems with her push. I didn't want it to be another Roman situation where I felt like an innocent
bystander in this war between the fans and Vince.

But I've noticed how annoying and disrespectful her fan base is and I still hate "The Man" gimmick. I try to look
at her with an open mind and all I see is an average worker, with average mic skills, with an average look that
acts like she's entitled to something.

Different strokes for different folks I guess

She caught lightning in a bottle. WWE is so boring these days, so when an unassuming boring babyface just snapped and beat the tar out of a Vince favorite, the fans latched on. We just desperately want to see wrestlers who give a sh*t, and Becky Lynch, in this role, gives a sh*t like we haven't seen in WWE in years. She's owning this character like nothing else, and it's working.

When I watch NXT, what strikes me is that everyone always feels like they are giving 100% every match on Takeovers. I rarely feel that way in WWE. But since her heel turn, Becky has been giving 150%. She's fired up and that gets the crowd into it. Every time she's on screen, I care.

Scott Hall · Post #531 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:51 am

improper wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:I've never gotten the appeal of her I still think she's not in Charlottes league. With that said I acknowledge shes wildly over and have no problems with her push. I didn't want it to be another Roman situation where I felt like an innocent
bystander in this war between the fans and Vince.

But I've noticed how annoying and disrespectful her fan base is and I still hate "The Man" gimmick. I try to look
at her with an open mind and all I see is an average worker, with average mic skills, with an average look that
acts like she's entitled to something.

Different strokes for different folks I guess

She caught lightning in a bottle. WWE is so boring these days, so when an unassuming boring babyface just snapped and beat the tar out of a Vince favorite, the fans latched on. We just desperately want to see wrestlers who give a sh*t, and Becky Lynch, in this role, gives a sh*t like we haven't seen in WWE in years. She's owning this character like nothing else, and it's working.

When I watch NXT, what strikes me is that everyone always feels like they are giving 100% every match on Takeovers. I rarely feel that way in WWE. But since her heel turn, Becky has been giving 150%. She's fired up and that gets the crowd into it. Every time she's on screen, I care.

I don't think Charlotte should be considered "Vinces Favorite" or her push being a result of her last name. She
legitimately turned into the greatest womens wrestler ever and how do you not push her to the top and have her
dominate it?

I do get that she can't dominate the division forever and you need some new blood in there so I have no problem
with Becky getting this push I just personally don't see the appeal of her. As for giving 100% I've felt almost all
the women do except for Nia.

improper · Post #532 » by **improper** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:16 am

Scott Hall wrote:I don't think Charlotte should be considered "Vinces Favorite" or her push being a result of her last name. She
legitimately turned into the greatest womens wrestler ever and how do you not push her to the top and have her
dominate it?

I do get that she can't dominate the division forever and you need some new blood in there so I have no problem
with Becky getting this push I just personally don't see the appeal of her. As for giving 100% I've felt almost all
the women do except for Nia.

Look, I'm not saying that Charlotte doesn't deserve it. But she's won an absurd amount of titles in just a couple of years. She's already halfway to her dad's record, and Flair wrestled for like forty years. They've pushed her to a ridiculous degree, and thus I think they need to cool her down for a while and let her work some secondary feuds and allow other women to head the two divisions for a while. She's the female Roman (although much better in the ring), and the fans are going to totally turn on her if they don't pull back on her for a while.

In wrestling, sometimes you just need to read the room. Charlotte is great. I think we all agree. But right now, they need to chill out on pushing her for a little while. Do that, and when you eventually do push her again, the fans will accept it.

Scott Hall · Post #533 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:44 am

improper wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:I don't think Charlotte should be considered "Vinces Favorite" or her push being a result of her last name. She
legitimately turned into the greatest womens wrestler ever and how do you not push her to the top and have her
dominate it?

I do get that she can't dominate the division forever and you need some new blood in there so I have no problem
with Becky getting this push I just personally don't see the appeal of her. As for giving 100% I've felt almost all
the women do except for Nia.

Look, I'm not saying that Charlotte doesn't deserve it. But she's won an absurd amount of titles in just a couple of years. She's already halfway to her dad's record, and Flair wrestled for like forty years. They've pushed her to a ridiculous degree, and thus I think they need to cool her down for a while and let her work some secondary feuds and allow other women to head the two divisions for a while. She's the female Roman (although much better in the ring), and the fans are going to totally turn on her if they don't pull back on her for a while.

In wrestling, sometimes you just need to read the room. Charlotte is great. I think we all agree. But right now, they need to chill out on pushing her for a little while. Do that, and when you eventually do push her again, the fans will accept it.

Well like I said I have no problem with them having Charlotte out of the tittle picture for awhile. But comparing her
Tittle wins to her dad should be apples and oranges. For one it was a different era and two the womens roster is way
more shallow with the company being split into 2 brands with 2 separate championships. So whether she's on RAW or
Smackdown how is she not constantly in the championship picture with what was for awhile until recently like a
10 woman division per show. Ric Flair winning world tittles on deep rosters full of HOFers shouldn't be compared.
Also it was stupid when they played hot potato with the belt when her and Sasha were feuding.

There's been so few legit main event level women to justify 2 shows I don't see her being pushed to a ridiculous degree.
It's one thing to say Roman didn't deserve that push but there's no denying Charlotte did especially when she delivers
every PPV match and performs better than most men.

I don't think in this day and age fans have the attention span for long championship reigns. People love AJ Styles
but they were starting to complain about his tittle reign and were glad when it was over.

I don't care if Charlotte is champ for 2 years if that means I'm not forced to watch Carmella, Bliss and Naomi
World tittle reigns again.

improper · Post #534 » by **improper** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:55 am

People complained about AJ Style's title reign because we wanted "best in the world" AJ Styles but we got "three star match" AJ Styles. If he went out there and put on Gargano Takeover classics every month, no one would be complaining about him holding the title for a year.

Scott Hall · Post #535 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:13 am

improper wrote:People complained about AJ Style's title reign because we wanted "best in the world" AJ Styles but we got "three star match" AJ Styles. If he went out there and put on Gargano Takeover classics every month, no one would be complaining about him holding the title for a year.

Yeah as bad as the booking has been... Nobody on the main roster on the mens side produced one great PPV
match in 2018 which I've never seen before. But who does and always has hot crowds? the guys from NXT.

As much as we rail on Vince and justifiably so... the main roster guys have dropped the ball quite a bit.

improper · Post #536 » by **improper** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:17 am

Scott Hall wrote:Yeah as bad as the booking has been... Nobody on the main roster on the mens side produced one great PPV
match in 2018 which I've never seen before. But who does and always has hot crowds? the guys from NXT.

As much as we rail on Vince and justifiably so... the main roster guys have dropped the ball quite a bit.

I think a lot of that is booking, though. NXT puts guys in a position to succeed with the booking. The main roster often does not. And I also think that a lot of guys get burnt out by repeated poor main roster booking and start phoning it in, which is why you see guys like Styles and Owens put on awesome matches early but gradually morph into mediocre workers. Why bother going out there and killing yourself every night when you're just fodder for Roman Reigns in the end? Vince doesn't care how great you work.

Scott Hall · Post #537 » by **Scott Hall** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:26 am

improper wrote:
Scott Hall wrote:Yeah as bad as the booking has been... Nobody on the main roster on the mens side produced one great PPV
match in 2018 which I've never seen before. But who does and always has hot crowds? the guys from NXT.

As much as we rail on Vince and justifiably so... the main roster guys have dropped the ball quite a bit.

I think a lot of that is booking, though. NXT puts guys in a position to succeed with the booking. The main roster often does not. And I also think that a lot of guys get burnt out by repeated poor main roster booking and start phoning it in, which is why you see guys like Styles and Owens put on awesome matches early but gradually morph into mediocre workers. Why bother going out there and killing yourself every night when you're just fodder for Roman Reigns in the end? Vince doesn't care how great you work.

Does AJ Styles belong in that group though? He was a champ for a year and on a different show then Reigns.
I think Father time is getting him he's north of 40 and his biggest asset has always been his athleticism which
is clearly declining and he hasn't compensated by being a master storyteller.

I think that analogy makes sense for Owens who I felt was doing that after being killed by Strowman for months

Spens1 · Post #538 » by **Spens1** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:49 am

PWRTorch (I.e. Wade Keller, so after Meltzer he's probably the most reliable alongside Satin) reporting that Dean Ambrose is leaving the company post Wrestlemania. that would explain Raw.

If he leaves though, for some reason i'm thinking its not for AEW, i'm thinking its a legit retirement, not that i would blame him either. He's not someone who would have spent money like crazy, he has enough money to retire and live comfortably, he seems like the type of guy who would be willing to call it a day, maybe make an appearance here and there (CZW, Impact) and do a money feud or two (the one that springs to mind is him vs Callihan, that would be money).

However, IF (its a big if) he does leave to AEW, this one is a gamechanger, Ambrose has been in and out of the main event for a few years now and that's despite Vince not seeing him as a main eventer and despite gross misuse. He's not an elite worker but he is a great mic worker, which will be valuable in a company full of good workers.

Post #539 » by **Stanford** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:22 am

Wrestlers don't retire, Spens!

iMoreland · Post #540 » by **iMoreland** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:42 pm

Spoiler: