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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#521 » by LLJ » Mon May 6, 2019 4:50 pm

Scott Hall wrote:Nobody complained during the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's


The basic problem is the audience they have chased all these decades and are still chasing today is gone. The UFC has them and they're not coming back to the WWE.

These people tune into the WWE at a glance and they will say "This is fake" or "This is dumb" and then change the channel.

Right now you are only left with pro wrestling nerds and WWE brand loyalists, and they are losing the former group at a rapid rate to indie and international promotions while we're rapidly approaching a time where we can see what the company would be like if they lost every other audience demographic except the WWE loyalists.

So the WWE is under attack from a dwindling appetite for pro wrestling from the general public, a pro wrestling fanbase than gives the company's product terrible reviews more and more frequently, and an increasingly disinterested WWE loyalist fanbase. They're still making a ton of money, thanks to the TV deals and Saudi deal, BUT...what their financials often don't mention is the amount of spending they are are doing as well. NXT and the Performance centre loses money and the amount of money they have sunk into producing so much sheer content is almost as much as the money they are making. They may be making more money than they ever have...but they are also spending far more than they ever have as well. I think they will likely have to cut back on a significant amount of content at some point if the spending begins to become dangerously close to parity with revenue coming back.

Still, while fans are correct about the product's quality affecting viewer satisfaction, one thing fans consistently underestimate is Vince's creativity as a businessman in finding new revenue streams. The dude simply finds ways to make money no matter what people think of the **** he's cranking out. You could say that the WWE without the Saudi deals would be in a much more dangerous position than they are now...but the fact that these type of deals seem to happen shows how tenacious Vince is businesswise. He gets powerful people to pay a lot of money for his product.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#522 » by tugs » Tue May 7, 2019 1:36 am

Wild Card, huh?

Concerned it'll produce less air time for those underutilized wrestlers.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#523 » by JohnPferdelack » Tue May 7, 2019 1:37 am

How's raw right now? Is anybody watching that?
I am watching NBA playoffs^^
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#524 » by improper » Tue May 7, 2019 2:02 am

tugs wrote:Wild Card, huh?

Concerned it'll produce less air time for those underutilized wrestlers.


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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#525 » by iMoreland » Tue May 7, 2019 3:35 am

WWE can do nothing right at the moment. What an absolutely terrible show tonight.

• Rollins/Styles is a big money match but I could care less about either guy when you're putting them in pointless tag matches together.

• Revival/Usos should be a badass tag feud but it's being booked as a complete joke.

• Roman Reigns going back to Raw to face Drew McIntyre? Like their snooze-fest at WrestleMania wasn't enough.

• This "wildcard" thing is probably going to last a few weeks and end when ratings continue to go down. Definitely isn't going to be happening when SD goes to FOX.

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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#526 » by Spens1 » Tue May 7, 2019 5:42 am

That was laughably bad :lol: I mean i enjoyed it in a peverse way at least because of how terrible it was. it was WCW Nitro levels of bad which at least is entertaining.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#527 » by loserX » Tue May 7, 2019 6:30 am

iMoreland wrote:• Revival/Usos should be a badass tag feud but it's being booked as a complete joke.


I don't know who's writing this particular program, but I hope their teacher didn't give them any cookies after recess. This was agony.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#528 » by tugs » Tue May 7, 2019 6:49 am

I mean Usos can deliver comedic promos. Revival as well. I do get a storyline where they try to annoy one another ala E&C to the Dudleyz but for the love of wrestling, establish The Revival first.

I hope Revival comes out next week delivering a promo saying The Usos are just plain scared and afraid of wrestling them that's why they are resorting to these shenanigans. And then they both start to get serious.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#529 » by Scott Hall » Tue May 7, 2019 7:20 am

I agree with everyone what a horrendous show...

My DVR is full so I was forced to watch it live which is so painful as I usually watch it later when I have time and
FWD through the commercials. Because I'm more interested in the NBA/NHL playoffs I was flipping back and forth.

I know it's booking 101 when 2 guys are feuding and usually 2 babyfaces to put them in a tag-team match to see
if they will get along for the win and to create some dissension but its been done to death and so predictable.
Also is Styles a heel now?

When they announced Corbin as Lashleys tag partner I literally switched the channel back to the playoffs...

I came back and saw the Lucha Dragon Party guys against 3 jobbers and switched back in a nano second...

So are we getting Sami Zayn vs. Braun Strowman round 3 or is Vince already bored of Zayn and killing him off
by putting him in a dumpster?

Roman Reigns is a nice guy and all but he's about as entertaining as watching paint dry. How they haven't repackaged
him changed his look and given him new theme music I'll never understand. Also I've never heard a crowd more
dead in my life then that match with McIntyre.

The Usos vs. Revival is starting to get into "Lashleys sisters" territory. "Cringe" doesn't seem like a strong enough
adjective to use.

The Kofi Kingston vs. DB match was good but I'm sorry Kofi is lame AF. Nothing against him but him throwing pancakes
wearing his hair like an idiot and dressing in pink and dancing like a batty boy is not for me. I can't wait until he
drops this dumb ass gimmick.

I've been on record on here for months saying my only hope was the superstar shakeup but at this point it seems
completely botched and a disaster.

Also you know Vince really truly believe he's a genius with this wild card gimmick....

I'm at a point where I'm seriously reaching my breaking point and might just watch PPVs only although
summer is coming and nothing will be on soon. Honestly I'd rather watch old stuff on the Network I've
never seen before then spending time watching the current trash. Me and some friends have planned on
splurging on tickets for Summerslam weekend and now I'm seriously considering saving the money.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#530 » by daoneandonly » Tue May 7, 2019 1:48 pm

Seems like it was a good night to miss for work. The little moments I saw involved the Revival/Usos skit, that's all I needed

How petty is the WWE to do that to the Revival for not signing their contracts
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#531 » by LLJ » Tue May 7, 2019 4:21 pm

JohnPferdelack wrote:How's raw right now? Is anybody watching that?


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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#532 » by Spens1 » Tue May 7, 2019 11:33 pm

Raw ratings for this week:

Hr 1: 2.468 Mill
Hr 2: 2.24 Mill
Hr 3: 2.024 Mill
Average: 2.24 Million

Up slightly from last week overall but the big announcement didn't do all that much (86k improvement). However i believe they went up against the Golden State vs Houston game so that does have some bearing.

Vince can draw, no one else really does.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#533 » by LLJ » Wed May 8, 2019 12:43 am

Vince doing a 2.4 in hour 1 isn't exactly great either. The fact is this show should be averaging 2.6m AT LEAST right now. And I'm being generous, because 2.6 is a fairly low number compared to even 12 months ago. Just not for the WWE anymore.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#534 » by improper » Wed May 8, 2019 1:20 am

I read Csonka's review and he said that forcing people to watch Raw should be considered a war crime. :lol:
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#535 » by Spens1 » Wed May 8, 2019 1:34 am

improper wrote:I read Csonka's review and he said that forcing people to watch Raw should be considered a war crime. :lol:


The last 2 weeks certainly.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#536 » by spykelee » Wed May 8, 2019 4:21 am

Scott Hall wrote:I agree with everyone what a horrendous show...

My DVR is full so I was forced to watch it live which is so painful as I usually watch it later when I have time and
FWD through the commercials. Because I'm more interested in the NBA/NHL playoffs I was flipping back and forth.

I know it's booking 101 when 2 guys are feuding and usually 2 babyfaces to put them in a tag-team match to see
if they will get along for the win and to create some dissension but its been done to death and so predictable.
Also is Styles a heel now?

When they announced Corbin as Lashleys tag partner I literally switched the channel back to the playoffs...

I came back and saw the Lucha Dragon Party guys against 3 jobbers and switched back in a nano second...

So are we getting Sami Zayn vs. Braun Strowman round 3 or is Vince already bored of Zayn and killing him off
by putting him in a dumpster?

Roman Reigns is a nice guy and all but he's about as entertaining as watching paint dry. How they haven't repackaged
him changed his look and given him new theme music I'll never understand. Also I've never heard a crowd more
dead in my life then that match with McIntyre.

The Usos vs. Revival is starting to get into "Lashleys sisters" territory. "Cringe" doesn't seem like a strong enough
adjective to use.

The Kofi Kingston vs. DB match was good but I'm sorry Kofi is lame AF. Nothing against him but him throwing pancakes
wearing his hair like an idiot and dressing in pink and dancing like a batty boy is not for me. I can't wait until he
drops this dumb ass gimmick.

I've been on record on here for months saying my only hope was the superstar shakeup but at this point it seems
completely botched and a disaster.

Also you know Vince really truly believe he's a genius with this wild card gimmick....

I'm at a point where I'm seriously reaching my breaking point and might just watch PPVs only although
summer is coming and nothing will be on soon. Honestly I'd rather watch old stuff on the Network I've
never seen before then spending time watching the current trash. Me and some friends have planned on
splurging on tickets for Summerslam weekend and now I'm seriously considering saving the money.


I agree on Kofi. He sucks, Im sorry. Im glad everyone feels great about him and for him but his booty schtick, the pancakes, his look, everything about him is so childish and stupid.

I can't believe they can have Braun and Mcentyre on the same show but can't manage to find a way to really get them into the main event. Drew is probably the most legit heavyweight in terms of both mic work and physique and in ring work and he jobs week after week.

Roman, yea he stinks on the mic. I don't recall the line exactly as I'm only ever half watching at the best of times but he flubbed his opening line, I tuned out after that.

This...wildcard thing. Who gives a ****. Everyone was basically already on either show as is. Some of that was leading up to wrestlemania sure, but still. We've been seeing people showing up on either show for quite some time. Apparently it's an attempt by vince to boost ratings.. having his biggest stars on both shows. Really that's just going to play out by burying younger newer talent.

Enough of the Lucha house party, especially against a bunch of jabroni's nobody cares about

The revival... no comment

I really don't find Sami Zayn to be some great promo. Come out and blame the crowd. Woah, good one, never seen that done before.

Corbin I don't hate like everyone else, he's an okay heel.

This company is falling fast though. I wish I could stop watching but wrestling is so sorta ingrained in me, it's like I just automatically put it on with no second thought to how good or **** it may be.

I love the network still. There is so much great programming outside of Raw and Smackdown. How you can do such a good job on doc's, inside looks, table for 3, swerved, ride along, 24, but can't manage to put together a single good actual in ring show is mind boggling. Especially when you have multiple nxt brands tearing the roof off almost every week.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#537 » by tugs » Wed May 8, 2019 10:24 pm

Just saw the highlights from RAW. Wow. You had the Revival screaming like little girls and rolling on the floor. Ultimate cringe.
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#538 » by Dominator83 » Wed May 8, 2019 11:23 pm

Scott Hall wrote:I agree with everyone what a horrendous show...

My DVR is full so I was forced to watch it live which is so painful as I usually watch it later when I have time and
FWD through the commercials. Because I'm more interested in the NBA/NHL playoffs I was flipping back and forth.

I know it's booking 101 when 2 guys are feuding and usually 2 babyfaces to put them in a tag-team match to see
if they will get along for the win and to create some dissension but its been done to death and so predictable.
Also is Styles a heel now?

When they announced Corbin as Lashleys tag partner I literally switched the channel back to the playoffs...

I came back and saw the Lucha Dragon Party guys against 3 jobbers and switched back in a nano second...

So are we getting Sami Zayn vs. Braun Strowman round 3 or is Vince already bored of Zayn and killing him off
by putting him in a dumpster?

Roman Reigns is a nice guy and all but he's about as entertaining as watching paint dry. How they haven't repackaged
him changed his look and given him new theme music I'll never understand. Also I've never heard a crowd more
dead in my life then that match with McIntyre.

The Usos vs. Revival is starting to get into "Lashleys sisters" territory. "Cringe" doesn't seem like a strong enough
adjective to use.

The Kofi Kingston vs. DB match was good but I'm sorry Kofi is lame AF. Nothing against him but him throwing pancakes
wearing his hair like an idiot and dressing in pink and dancing like a batty boy is not for me. I can't wait until he
drops this dumb ass gimmick.

I've been on record on here for months saying my only hope was the superstar shakeup but at this point it seems
completely botched and a disaster.

Also you know Vince really truly believe he's a genius with this wild card gimmick....

I'm at a point where I'm seriously reaching my breaking point and might just watch PPVs only although
summer is coming and nothing will be on soon. Honestly I'd rather watch old stuff on the Network I've
never seen before then spending time watching the current trash. Me and some friends have planned on
splurging on tickets for Summerslam weekend and now I'm seriously considering saving the money.

The underlined is a damn shame. They were building up McIntyre and he was white effing hot as a top heel that can handle his business (sorta like TNA heel Lashley). So what do they do? Put him in a one sided feud with Roman and Basically start slowly making him irrelevant. Makes perfect sense for typical wwe booking
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Re: WWE Raw Discussion III 

Post#539 » by bestnamezRtaken » Thu May 9, 2019 12:37 pm

The crap they're doing with the Revival and the Usos...is horrendous. I don't like it at all. As someone mentioned a few days back, it's making me not care about the Usos, which is a shame because they're the top tag team in the company.

I didn't like the Drew Roman rematch, having it appear that Drew was about to lose twice makes him look really weak. I felt that Drew should have just dominated that match for the win, but no.

There's other things but I'm tired.
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