WWE SmackDown Discussion II

iMoreland · Post #661 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:33 am

Bar/Usos was a fun match, two of the best teams in the world given enough time to do their thing, good booking

improper · Post #662 » by **improper** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:38 am

iMoreland wrote:Bar/Usos was a fun match, two of the best teams in the world given enough time to do their thing, good booking

I really wish Vince didn't hate tag team wrestling, because the WWE is just packed with awesome teams right now that so rarely get to show what they can do.

iMoreland · Post #663 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:22 am

Asuka/Becky/Charlotte triple threat TLC match, not the biggest fan of Asuka but that sounds fun

tugs · Post #664 » by **tugs** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:58 am

Interesting dynamic...

If you want to continue with the Charlotte-Becky feud:

- The usual route in a triple threat is for someone else to eat the pin. That is the usual basis for a challenger or champion to get back on his/her opponent. The, "You didn't even pin me!" argument.

BUT!

The other woman is Asuka. No explanations necessary. If she eats the pin, that shows how much WWE values her.

So what happens? Does Asuka win the title?

- Most probably Charlotte will be pinned because you capitalize Lynch's white hot run and salvage what's left of Asuka. Becky blames Flair for the loss.

- Becky claims her rematch clause.

*If she wins:
- Asuka win pointless?
- Establishes Becky as a dominant champ and it really was Charlotte's fault. --> feud continues

Where's Asuka now?

*If Becky loses:
- What's next for Asuka? Does she still connect with the crowd? Will her reign be overshadowed by Becky-Charlotte?

- How will you conclude the feud with Charlotte?

Easiest would be Lynch retains, pinning Charlotte. Double turn where Becky is a face-tweener and Charlotte as a sadistic heel. And Asuka returns to being overlooked.

Spens1 · Post #665 » by **Spens1** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:48 am

Good woman's title match. I'd be all for Becky vs Asuka (if she goes back to being a killer basically) and Charlotte vs Ronda as the main feuds.

I'd have Asuka go over personally and have Charlotte go to RAW (with Charlotte taking the pin). It sets up the chase nicely for Becky against a heel Asuka. Before that though Becky gives Charlotte a sendoff (via a bashing, probably), sets up Becky basically wanting to go after half the raw roster (Nia, Ronda and now Charlotte).

daoneandonly · Post #666 » by **daoneandonly** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:39 pm

Where are they going with the Orton-Mysterio feud?

My hope would be to finally use Almas, turn him face and have him save Mysterio from a vicious attack and feud with orton.

improper · Post #667 » by **improper** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:43 pm

iMoreland wrote:Asuka/Becky/Charlotte triple threat TLC match, not the biggest fan of Asuka but that sounds fun

She makes the match more interesting. We've already seen Becky/Charlotte a couple of times. I like them mixing it up a little rather than just another rematch, because they have a real tendency to run match-ups into the ground by having the people in feuds fight each other every goddamn PPV for six months.

Post #668 » by **loserX** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:58 pm

What happens in a triple threat if one person does something that should get them DQ'ed? I'm sure there are "rules" to this that I don't know.

Just wondering what happens if they have Charlotte snap again and destroy one or both of her opponents (or have Asuka do it, for that matter). Is a triple-threat just No-DQ? Or do they DQ her and restart the match between the other two?

iMoreland · Post #669 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:14 pm

It's a TLC match

improper · Post #670 » by **improper** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:41 pm

loserX wrote:What happens in a triple threat if one person does something that should get them DQ'ed? I'm sure there are "rules" to this that I don't know.

Just wondering what happens if they have Charlotte snap again and destroy one or both of her opponents (or have Asuka do it, for that matter). Is a triple-threat just No-DQ? Or do they DQ her and restart the match between the other two?

Triple threat matches are always no disqualification for that very reason unless there's an added stipulation. If it's an elimination match, for example, I think DQs do apply, as that person would simply be eliminated.

LLJ · Post #671 » by **LLJ** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:50 pm

Asuka is in the match either to get the title off Becky while protecting both Becky and Charlotte or Charlotte getting the title without directly beating up Becky for it. I believe there is a general plan to get Becky into the Royal Rumble and try to win it to face Ronda.

Asuka has been very over with crowds lately (2nd most over woman on Smackdown arguably) with very little booking help so we will see what happens at TLC. It is a match that a wildcard like her can win without actually pinning or submitting their 2 golden girls on Smackdown.

For what it's worth, it is a TLC match which if like in the past, it means the belt is suspended above the ring and the winner grabs it to win. Nobody gets pinned, Asuka is not there to eat the pin.

Which is why I strongly suspect a title change because it allows Becky to lose the belt without being pinned or submitted before facing Ronda.

Post #672 » by **Stanford** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:59 pm

Imagine if Asuka won. That would be of the most surprising booking decisions ever.

LLJ · Post #673 » by **LLJ** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:06 pm

Stanford wrote:Imagine if Asuka won. That would be of the most surprising booking decisions ever.

It would, based on our impressions of what the WWE prefers out of champs and the whole "but her english" thing, but if you look at where they are going currently with Becky, then it is very possible she is dropping the belt at TLC. They want to protect Becky until Wrestlemania, and they don't want to have Charlotte beating her directly to get the belt. So they need a go-between who the fans still care about. That is Asuka, who has weirdly become super over with fans since Becky passed her up and chose Charlotte to face Ronda 2 weeks ago.

What does make me pause is that Charlotte may be facing Ronda at Royal Rumble again. They may want to slap the SD belt onto Charlotte for that match somehow.

On the other hand, I also can't see Charlotte getting her record-breaking 8th title on a B-PPV either.

I think the finish of the match will come down to Charlotte and Asuka somehow.

Post #674 » by **Stanford** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:27 pm

If they made an attempt to elevate Asuka, do you think SD! could sustain three over babyfaces with no real heel competition?

LLJ · Post #675 » by **LLJ** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:31 pm

Stanford wrote:If they made an attempt to elevate Asuka, do you think SD! could sustain three over babyfaces with no real heel competition?

My guess is in the event that they actually give it to her, it would be a very short transitional reign to someone else or they will simply downplay the importance of the SD belt while she has it and focus more on the Ronda-Charlotte-Becky triangle from Rumble to Wrestlemania.

Part of me also wonders if they are not thinking of moving one of Charlotte or Becky over to RAW between now and Wrestlemania as well. RAW desperately needs star power since nobody on RAW matters except Ronda. You can do this by having Charlotte challenging for the RAW belt at Royal Rumble and beating Rousey. Then you could hot potato a bit and still end up with Becky vs Ronda at WM35, or Becky vs Charlotte vs Ronda.

improper · Post #676 » by **improper** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:43 am

Stanford wrote:If they made an attempt to elevate Asuka, do you think SD! could sustain three over babyfaces with no real heel competition?

I think the fans will boo Charlotte against either Becky or Asuka, so just make her heel. Yeah, they cheered her against Rousey, but that was a weird situation. She can still be a heel on Smackdown.

LLJ · Post #677 » by **LLJ** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:22 pm

I suspect they really want to push someone like Mandy, but Mandy is also not someone they want beating a Charlotte and Becky yet. Asuka is popular enough and the undefeated streak isn't so far removed in the past that fans can't see Asuka beating them. On the other hand, she is just as likely to lose to a Carmella. Would really not be surprised if Asuka wins at TLC, and then drops it weeks later to say Mandy.

Also, it seems that officially the match is indeed a ladder match rules TLC match. For those who don't know, think AJ vs Dean in TLC 2016 for the WWE title. AJ retained the title when Ellsworth tipped over the ladder to screw over Ambrose, and AJ climbed a ladder to grab the title. In this case, this will simply involve 3 people instead of 2. So unless they change it, it does mean Asuka actually has a chance and is not just taking a pin for someone.

WRau1 · Post #678 » by **WRau1** » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:22 am

DB is doing some great work as a heel, maybe even top of the main roster.

iMoreland · Post #679 » by **iMoreland** » Wed Dec 5, 2018 12:01 pm

https://streamable.com/n5o1t

"They're reciting something stupid from 20 years ago but they can't help themselves..." Daniel Bryan is great.

bestnamezRtaken · Post #680 » by **bestnamezRtaken** » Wed Dec 5, 2018 12:41 pm

That was a great line by him. I can not stand the stupid what chants. Shut up people, jeez.