All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[WRau1]

WWE putting all their Jericho merch on sale, ha. They must be very upset.

Really? I'm seeing four items, only one of which is on sale: the t-shirt. And all shirts are on sale right now.

Maybe Canada has a different shop.

I didn't check it personally, read it in here:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/2019/1/11/18178051/rumor-roundup-jan-11-2019-chris-jericho-contract-dolph-ziggler-missing-raw-wwe-discounting

[WRau1]

According to reports, Omega turned down an insane contract from the WWE. Rumored to be even better than the one offered to the Young Bucks (ton of money, top storylines, merch/creative control, 6 month opt out) and expected to sign with AEW on Feb 1st.

Although I'm a bit disappointed we won't see those guys in the WWE, I think it's really cool what they're doing. Can't wait for AEW.

[Stanford]

WWE putting all their Jericho merch on sale, ha. They must be very upset.

Really? I'm seeing four items, only one of which is on sale: the t-shirt. And all shirts are on sale right now.

Maybe Canada has a different shop.

I didn't check it personally, read it in here:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/2019/1/11/18178051/rumor-roundup-jan-11-2019-chris-jericho-contract-dolph-ziggler-missing-raw-wwe-discounting

Interesting. I wonder where they got their info. There's no discount and it's easy enough to check before publishing.

[improper]

According to reports, Omega turned down an insane contract from the WWE. Rumored to be even better than the one offered to the Young Bucks (ton of money, top storylines, merch/creative control, 6 month opt out) and expected to sign with AEW on Feb 1st.

Although I'm a bit disappointed we won't see those guys in the WWE, I think it's really cool what they're doing. Can't wait for AEW.

If AEW gets a good TV deal, it could pretty quickly be better than main roster WWE with the group of guys and girls they are putting together, so I actually am glad they are turning down WWE. WWE would probably just ruin them like they ruin most other guys. That's especially true of the Bucks since Vince clearly doesn't give two sh*ts about tag team wrestling, which is why the main roster is where great tag teams go to die.

[bestnamezRtaken]

Kind of beating a dead horse here but how much value do you think can Punk bring if he's on board?

Lol stop with the punk crap. He's burned too many bridges with everyone.

[improper]

I think Punk is content to make a boatload of money getting his ass kicked once a year.

[Stanford]

I think Punk is content to make a boatload of money getting his ass kicked once a year.

Who's going to pay him to do that though?

[WRau1]

Agree with Punk burning too many bridges, the Cabana thing seemingly was the last straw. When you have Cody Rhodes and Jericho publicly mocking you, I don't think he's ever coming back.

[tugs]

Your thoughts on having Ws and Ls and rankings?

[WRau1]

I don't think I like the idea of Ws and Ls mattering, especially in the "reality era". I'll wait to see how they handle it, though.

[tugs]

A bit pessimistic myself. Imagine those numbers tagged on Dolph or Bray. It's really hard to believe the character.

Although upsets could be a big factor in matches which I think could be exciting.

[improper]

Your thoughts on having Ws and Ls and rankings?

I think it's a great idea. I've long thought WWE should have some sort of UFC style power rankings that helps inform PPV matches. Doesn't mean the technical number one contender always has to be the guy who gets the match. That doesn't happen in UFC either and it wouldn't need to happen in WWE. But I do think that pretending it's an actual sport makes wrestling better. Wins and losses absolutely need to matter.

This is why Jinder Mahal's reign with the main title last year was such a joke. He was a jobber just weeks earlier, but suddenly they randomly have him win the top belt and no one took him seriously the entire damn title reign. It was just months of wasted TV time where no one looked good as a result. You need to build guys up as credible before you give them major title reigns, or the belt just looks like a joke.

[RonMexico915]

I wish AEW luck. WWE will always be #1 by any metric. It will take years for AEW to make ground on the WWE. Since they're unlikely to go head to head, AEW can only hope to be the premier #2 promotion in the United States. It would take a major drug/sex/murder scandal by numerous top WWE talents to hurt the WWE empire.

[Spens1]

Your thoughts on having Ws and Ls and rankings?

Incredibly difficult to make work, WWE tried for a week and they dropped it, TNA actually did make a concerted effort but also dropped it when it proved too hard.

I still think it could be done, but you're almost guaranteeing that you must have a strict hierarchy system, it would almost be like a constant G1 situation where you're paying attention to wins and losses closely to see who is the contender, if the champ gets pinned etc. It sounds like a booking nightmare, especially for a very inexperienced team (Cody and the Bucks are active wrestlers and Khan's never booked a wrestling show and is taking up the Vince role, they need 2-3 experienced guys on that team or at least someone like a Jimmy Jacobs who has some experience booking) because the attention to detail for everyone, they would have to be on point and nothing can slip through the cracks up and down the card.

So really, they'd be better off following the wins and losses matter, but maybe not strictly (maybe just have a general tiered system unofficially, like main eventers, upper mid carders, mid carders, lower mid carders and jobbers).

[Spens1]

I wish AEW luck. WWE will always be #1 by any metric. It will take years for AEW to make ground on the WWE. Since they're unlikely to go head to head, AEW can only hope to be the premier #2 promotion in the United States. It would take a major drug/sex/murder scandal by numerous top WWE talents to hurt the WWE empire.

I think that's fine, all they need to be is an alternative to WWE, especially with the poor product the main roster puts out nowadays, those who are unhappy with the product at least can go over and watch something instead of nothing at all, i think that's who they're going to target (probably the old TNA audience actually as well as disenfranchised fans).

[tugs]

Your thoughts on having Ws and Ls and rankings?

Incredibly difficult to make work, WWE tried for a week and they dropped it, TNA actually did make a concerted effort but also dropped it when it proved too hard.

I still think it could be done, but you're almost guaranteeing that you must have a strict hierarchy system, it would almost be like a constant G1 situation where you're paying attention to wins and losses closely to see who is the contender, if the champ gets pinned etc. It sounds like a booking nightmare, especially for a very inexperienced team (Cody and the Bucks are active wrestlers and Khan's never booked a wrestling show and is taking up the Vince role, they need 2-3 experienced guys on that team or at least someone like a Jimmy Jacobs who has some experience booking) because the attention to detail for everyone, they would have to be on point and nothing can slip through the cracks up and down the card.

So really, they'd be better off following the wins and losses matter, but maybe not strictly (maybe just have a general tiered system unofficially, like main eventers, upper mid carders, mid carders, lower mid carders and jobbers).

Yeah, lots of mistakes to be made and details overlooked due to inexperience.

I was thinking to make it easier, either they can:

- make some tournament style matches ala King of the Ring. Winner faces the champ as finals

Or

- team, ball game-like regular season ala NBA where everyone competes for the chip.

[Spens1]

Your thoughts on having Ws and Ls and rankings?

Incredibly difficult to make work, WWE tried for a week and they dropped it, TNA actually did make a concerted effort but also dropped it when it proved too hard.

I still think it could be done, but you're almost guaranteeing that you must have a strict hierarchy system, it would almost be like a constant G1 situation where you're paying attention to wins and losses closely to see who is the contender, if the champ gets pinned etc. It sounds like a booking nightmare, especially for a very inexperienced team (Cody and the Bucks are active wrestlers and Khan's never booked a wrestling show and is taking up the Vince role, they need 2-3 experienced guys on that team or at least someone like a Jimmy Jacobs who has some experience booking) because the attention to detail for everyone, they would have to be on point and nothing can slip through the cracks up and down the card.

So really, they'd be better off following the wins and losses matter, but maybe not strictly (maybe just have a general tiered system unofficially, like main eventers, upper mid carders, mid carders, lower mid carders and jobbers).

Yeah, lots of mistakes to be made and details overlooked due to inexperience.

I was thinking to make it easier, either they can:

- make some tournament style matches ala King of the Ring. Winner faces the champ as finals

Or

- team, ball game-like regular season ala NBA where everyone competes for the chip.

Well for a tornuament, they have the G1 as an example which is W-L based.

A stsable based one would be different. It would mean the company would be very stable orientated with almost everyone in a stable (i.e. Dragon Gate), i mean that could work as well as it gives each person some structure (leader, ace, young up and comer, tag teams, jobber).

[iMoreland]

I think Dolph Ziggler is gonna be the top WWE guy to jump ship. He has nothing left to do in WWE. I read that WWE offered him a producer role recently which doesn't make sense for him since he's still in his prime and can make a lot more money by still wrestling. He also recently changed all his social media to his real name, but that could be for his stand up comedy career.

Another guy that make sense is Zack Ryder, him and Cody Rhodes have always been good friends I think. Plus he's still only 33.

I doubt it but I wish Luke Harper would go, he's too damn talented to always be an afterthought.

[improper]

Harper would be awesome in AEW. He works best with smaller guys and AEW will have a lot of them. He could be a great monster heel there.

[improper]

Sounds like, in addition to Omega, AEW is getting Pentagon and Fenix too. That roster is getting stacked real fast. Give me Pentagon vs. PAC please.