All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[AirCanadaMouse]

I found this to be a fun show, solid matches and segments all around.

I owe it to Kip Sabian for giving me the biggest laugh of the night when he put his glasses back on with one lens missing after Shida punched him, it’s the small things like that which go a long way for me.

I’m not buying the OC serious side at all, I get why they’re doing it, but I just can’t. Jericho is most likely going to put him over, typical Jericho, but I really hope not.

Enjoyed the opener with ward low and the Dino, always enjoy two big guys that can move

Hager’s wife is such a good heel that plays the trophy wife, I wish they went full mma with the press conference, it was a bit silly getting that upset over water..

The hype video package was well done. Liking the best friends more and more, just doesn’t feel like they’re acting and playing up a character. Works for me, is this potential omega / page feud done with now ? I don’t see them losing until FTR challenges for the belt.

I love the tag team wars storyline, I get matching the bucks and FTR so they can tease that match more at fyter fest, but would preferred if they just had a regular tag match with the Lucha bro’s. Really miss PAC btw.

Tazz with his best promo yet. I enjoy Cage a lot, great look, bad ass Wolverine attire he used, really neat! Too bad he gasses out absurdly early. No way his match with Mox hits 10 minutes unless its slow paced.

I’m a sonny kiss fan tbh, he’s improving so much every week. I actually want him to play the gay thing as entire gimmick like Adrian Adonis/goldust style. Flashy, vibrant and flamboyant, i eat that stuff up haha. Their tag team feels less random given the jersey ties, but still can do without janella in general. I was hoping to see Archer vs. Kiss rather than Janella.

Other quick notes:

- Brodie Lee gimmick is a win for me, but Colt joining dark order does nothing for me.

- Good call keeping baker on tv, one of their best heels.

- Hardy isn’t as washed up in the ring as people made it out to be prior to his signing.

[Spens1]

AEW lost by 153k in the ratings this week.

Honestly, good, they 100% deserved to given the quality of this last show. Also just make the Cody turn official, i don't want to see this arrogant prick and his entourage on TV, just turn the man and make it official (this match between him and Hager is heel on heel, they're lucky their is no live audience otherwise it would get the Goldberg vs Lesnar treatment).

The show has been getting worse over the last month, one of the few highlights i'd say are Janela and Kiss (actually a good tag team and Kiss, take all the flash away, you have the makings of a very decent worker).

Also they need the Lucha bros back badly and honestly, they just need to start pushing all 3 of them as not only tag teamers, but the three as legit main eventers cause frankly, Pentagon Jr is more over than anyone not named Kenny Omega and Chris Jericho really (or at least was at the beginning). After the Cage match, they need to run Moxley vs Pentagon Jr honestly in a hardcore match for the world title. They need to build Pentagon Jr to be that guy he was in Lucha Underground (i.e. the violent, fearless bastard that he was that became the fan favourite, stuff Prince Puma, Pentagon Jr was the real success story of that show).

[Spens1]

Fyter Fest night 1 was decent. I wish they pulled the trigger on Best Friends but if FTR are going to challenge, its clear they're winning the belts (otherwise they're idiots, and honestly they might be given they had Cody go over Archer). All the tag team matches where good (I think they do need a mid card tag team belt like All Japan has with their All asia tag team titles). Don't bother with a 6 man belt cause no one cares about them but having a strong mid card tag team title could mean more teams on tv and dark and giving them a realistic prize to fight for (I mean AEW has so many tag teams, with just one title for the division its kind of impossible to showcase everyone).

Speaking of Cody, actually had a decent match. These two clearly have some in ring chemistry cause this was better than it had any right to be.

Glad to say i was wrong about Taz, this isn't Samoa Joe and TNA, they've done a very good job with him as Cage's manager.

Also Cassidy and Jericho's segment was hillarious, honestly this was comedy i'd say done right, I've felt AEW has gone and become way too goofy over the last few weeks to the point where the suspension of belief was broken. They did a better job of comedy here (OC and Baker and their comedy is must watch every week).

Penelope Ford actually got some good offense in, it turns out she can actually wrestle which is good to see (I mean since she's been kind of in the limelight, she was more or less just running interference for Janela and now Sabian). Nice match to finish off a decent filler feud for the champ. I still think, as much as I despise her as a person, they need an established talent like Tessa Blanchard though (with strict conditions however).

[AirCanadaMouse]

Pretty good night for me, I have to say my MOTN was Shida vs. Penelope Ford, glad they allowed Ford to shine like that. She looked really strong and will be a future champion, it wasn’t just Shida carrying the match entirely.

I read some complaints about all titles being retained but I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. There’s no match that made me feel otherwise, FTR was bound to win the titles off Omega/Page with the Bucks as the stepping stone or the next feud. It’s perfect long term story telling all set up.

Cody seems to be getting a lot of hate, but I’m still enjoying his work, though his matches continue to be a over booked. I liked this match until the finish, no way Hager loses with a passed out opponent, I rather have Cody tap, but they probably wanted to avoid a taker/angle duplicate. Just made no sense.

They made the right call with Jurassic Express winning. They can’t continue to lose to Wardlow/MJF, and they progressed this Wardlow/MJF soon to be feud. Works for me, this was booked right.

I honestly don’t recall much from PvP vs. Santana/Ortiz, mostly remember the Jericho/OC shenanigans that came from it.

Also,Jericho on commentary is always good, get annoyed when the aew commentators don’t get animated, Jericho brings some much needed energy to that booth.

Tazz is awesome btw. Him and Raven were my favourite ecw guys.


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[daoneandonly]

Great show, loved it from bell to bell.

The ending was intriguing with Page almost aligning with FTR. The 3 of those recruiting one more guy, maybe Cody since he's already with Arn, would be an awesome 4 Horsemen like stable. WHooo

[Amare_1_Knicks]

I can sit through a full show of AEW (whereas I certainly cannot with WWE), but I’m beginning to grow wary of the silly segments they put out there. WTF was that puppy segment (and apparently there’s going to be a puppy battle royal at some point, just because) ? I just don’t see how something like this helps AEW progress as a brand/company.

The Orange Cassidy segments are a little hit or miss for me at this point, also. Just a touch too silly (or much too silly, at times). I’m finding that it feels more like Jericho is stepping down to feud with these guys, rather than these guys getting elevated by working with Jericho.

Hardy with Private Party is still weird for me, but it was a nice touch to have them use that poetry in motion double-team as an homage to the Hardy’s.

I liked the Hager/Cody match. Cody got the W but Hager came out looking great/strong. I liked the finish.

The Shida v Ford women’s match was pretty good. A lot of false finishes and at times I legitimately thought Ford would win. Which I wouldn’t have minded — it hasn’t been a long reign for Shida and she performs really well in the ring, but give me some promos.

The main event tag match was okay. Pretty forgettable, though. I’m literally sitting here and I can’t remember who Hangman and Omega faced. Overall, night 1 was solid. Definitely watchable all the way through.

[Scott Hall]

This was one of the best episodes I've seen in weeks...

Loved the 4-Way Tag match should've been the Main Event. The Bucks and Lucha Bros have amazing chemistry the moves
they can pull off are really amazing. Don't know if it's the layoff or just being in the ring with the talent of AEW but Scott
Dawson (forgot his new name) has looked completely gassed in his last couple of matches like he's completely blown up.

Taz bringing back the FTW championship from ECW is pretty cool and a nice touch...

Private Party is just getting better each passing week just wish they didn't change their entrance music. Also why is
Matt Hardy randomly a manager for them. What happened to the entertaining Broken Matt Hardy that debuted that
everybody wanted to see get a fair shake in AEW?

Usually AEWs Womens matches/Segments kill the flow and momentum of the show it was smart to keep it nice and short.
If the talent is not there no need to force feed it down the audiences throats.

Good to see Archer back interested to see where he goes from here...

I don't care about the Dark Order at all but the story line with Colt Cabana is one of the better ones in the company right now

[Scott Hall]

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[AirCanadaMouse]

Idk man,I like aew and appreciate it getting me back to wrestling, but it seems like for awhile now we haven’t had a “Big Bang”, something noteworthy, something that gets us all talking...

All the closing moments of the episodes didn’t leave me wanting more, it’s not that they’re producing bad shows, they’re actually really easy for me to watch.. but it’s just not memorable enough for me.

With that being said, 8 man tag match was great. Lucha Bros are my fav tag team, Fenix is amazing. They over do Canadian destroyers , but he managed to innovate that move into a spot I’ve never seen before.

Also, I really liked the main event. This whole rivalry had Jericho’s footprints all over it. They made OC look like a million bucks, they gave him some serious edge to his character, you don’t need OC to win to put him over, you need his character to properly develop and Jericho gave him a lot of spots to make that happen.

I like how they worked the back, and Jericho is so good at the little things like kicking out at 2.99, it’s just so good. I recall his match with Sky and after he got hit with the belt, he just barely managed to kick out.

He suspends disbelief in matches where the result is obvious on paper. Jericho is proof that you don’t need to be a young wrestler doing all these flippy-do high spots, you can put on a great match with storytelling and working with what you have. Well done.


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[Spens1]

I actually liked AEW this week more as a whole, other than NXT's main event which obviously was amazing.

I do think AEW absolutely is hurting from not having talent available (no Moxley and PAC namely). Also i'd argue the singles scene is actually quiet bad. They also need to sign Flip.

Once Mox comes back, you could have the Cage match and then i'd have him face each member of the Death Triangle (first, Fenix, then of course Pentagon Jr in a death match and then have him drop to PAC).

Also hopefully we have FTR win the tag team titles off of Page and Omega (it was fun but Page and Omega aren't a proper tag team and have never been and both are desperately needed in the singles scene).

As for the 4 new horseman, here's my take on it honestly.

Hangman Page (Lead singles)
FTR
Brian Pillman Jr

In terms of a stable that will be a hell of a team (plus the Hangman + FTR vs Omega + Bucks would be dope, at least that's where i hope this is going).

[Ruzious]

Idk man,I like aew and appreciate it getting me back to wrestling, but it seems like for awhile now we haven’t had a “Big Bang”, something noteworthy, something that gets us all talking...

All the closing moments of the episodes didn’t leave me wanting more, it’s not that they’re producing bad shows, they’re actually really easy for me to watch.. but it’s just not memorable enough for me.

With that being said, 8 man tag match was great. Lucha Bros are my fav tag team, Fenix is amazing. They over do Canadian destroyers , but he managed to innovate that move into a spot I’ve never seen before.

Also, I really liked the main event. This whole rivalry had Jericho’s footprints all over it. They made OC look like a million bucks, they gave him some serious edge to his character, you don’t need OC to win to put him over, you need his character to properly develop and Jericho gave him a lot of spots to make that happen.

I like how they worked the back, and Jericho is so good at the little things like kicking out at 2.99, it’s just so good. I recall his match with Sky and after he got hit with the belt, he just barely managed to kick out.

He suspends disbelief in matches where the result is obvious on paper. Jericho is proof that you don’t need to be a young wrestler doing all these flippy-do high spots, you can put on a great match with storytelling and working with what you have. Well done.


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I love the Lucha Bros as well. But does their style mesh with the rest of their tag teams? I think they do with the more high flying teams, but probably not with teams like FTR or even Page and Omega. It'll be interesting to see if that becomes a limiting factor.

[daoneandonly]

I actually liked AEW this week more as a whole, other than NXT's main event which obviously was amazing.

I do think AEW absolutely is hurting from not having talent available (no Moxley and PAC namely). Also i'd argue the singles scene is actually quiet bad. They also need to sign Flip.

Once Mox comes back, you could have the Cage match and then i'd have him face each member of the Death Triangle (first, Fenix, then of course Pentagon Jr in a death match and then have him drop to PAC).

Also hopefully we have FTR win the tag team titles off of Page and Omega (it was fun but Page and Omega aren't a proper tag team and have never been and both are desperately needed in the singles scene).

As for the 4 new horseman, here's my take on it honestly.

Hangman Page (Lead singles)
FTR
Brian Pillman Jr

In terms of a stable that will be a hell of a team (plus the Hangman + FTR vs Omega + Bucks would be dope, at least that's where i hope this is going).

Yes you beat me to it, Brian Pillman Jr would be a great 4th man given his father was a member. This would also allow Hangman to be the leader, which he really should.

My only hesitation would be that AEW is already chalk full of stables, Inner Circle, Death Triangle, Jurassic Express, Best Friends/OC, and the ELite. It may be bordering on overkill

[Spens1]

I actually liked AEW this week more as a whole, other than NXT's main event which obviously was amazing.

I do think AEW absolutely is hurting from not having talent available (no Moxley and PAC namely). Also i'd argue the singles scene is actually quiet bad. They also need to sign Flip.

Once Mox comes back, you could have the Cage match and then i'd have him face each member of the Death Triangle (first, Fenix, then of course Pentagon Jr in a death match and then have him drop to PAC).

Also hopefully we have FTR win the tag team titles off of Page and Omega (it was fun but Page and Omega aren't a proper tag team and have never been and both are desperately needed in the singles scene).

As for the 4 new horseman, here's my take on it honestly.

Hangman Page (Lead singles)
FTR
Brian Pillman Jr

In terms of a stable that will be a hell of a team (plus the Hangman + FTR vs Omega + Bucks would be dope, at least that's where i hope this is going).

Yes you beat me to it, Brian Pillman Jr would be a great 4th man given his father was a member. This would also allow Hangman to be the leader, which he really should.

My only hesitation would be that AEW is already chalk full of stables, Inner Circle, Death Triangle, Jurassic Express, Best Friends/OC, and the ELite. It may be bordering on overkill

I'd probably say their should be more stables. Dragon Gate and New Japan both have pretty much everyone belonging to a stable which is what helps make booking easier as a result (then again both promotions have stables which have like 6 people at least). I'd say if New Japan had like 6-8 full fledged 3-4 man stables it would be fantastic, it means you can have inter stable warfare which gives people stuff to do in terms of feuds.

[Coach Smiley]

I just don't get the obsession with Neilson ratings in 2020, nobody has tv anymore! There has to be a better way to measure popularity.

And why is aew caught up in competing with nxt? I feel like that's what Vince McMahon wanted. They really are wwe-light and it makes me sad! What a wasted opportunity to make wrestling relevant again.

[RonMexico915]

I just don't get the obsession with Neilson ratings in 2020, nobody has tv anymore! There has to be a better way to measure popularity.

And why is aew caught up in competing with nxt? I feel like that's what Vince McMahon wanted. They really are wwe-light and it makes me sad! What a wasted opportunity to make wrestling relevant again.

A lot of people are ditching traditional cable/satellite, it doesn’t mean they don’t have Sling or an OOT service that provides them with TNT/USA.

[Stanford]

I just don't get the obsession with Neilson ratings in 2020, nobody has tv anymore! There has to be a better way to measure popularity.

I agree but that's what advertisers care about, and that's all that matters.

The fact that fans care about this **** is and has always been the dumbest thing about wrestling.

[daoneandonly]

So are the ELite turning heel?

Both Cody and Omega showed heel tendencies on Dynamite yesterday, especially the latter. It may actually be the right call if the idea is for them to feud with a face Hangman Page and FTR. All the time the expectation was for Page to turn on Omega, but the opposite would be a welcome change and probably give Omega a much needed boost in character.

[iMoreland]

There's a lot of potential horsemen stables they could do that I'd like. Cody, Spears, and FTR seems the most likely. But I would love it if Tully dumped Spears and aligned with Hangman.

Heel Cody is a must for the group. Cody vs Moxley is a huge feud they can do to get the title on Cody. Cody vs Omega as well. Hangman vs Omega can be a huge feud. Hangman vs Moxley can be a huge feud. Hangman can be the mid card guy until the eventual breakup, then Cody vs Hangman is another huge feud.

If Spears is involved... None of Cody vs Spears, Omega vs Spears, Moxley vs Spears sound intriguing at all. It's gotta be Hangman.

[Spens1]

There's a lot of potential horsemen stables they could do that I'd like. Cody, Spears, and FTR seems the most likely. But I would love it if Tully dumped Spears and aligned with Hangman.

Heel Cody is a must for the group. Cody vs Moxley is a huge feud they can do to get the title on Cody. Cody vs Omega as well. Hangman vs Omega can be a huge feud. Hangman vs Moxley can be a huge feud. Hangman can be the mid card guy until the eventual breakup, then Cody vs Hangman is another huge feud.

If Spears is involved... None of Cody vs Spears, Omega vs Spears, Moxley vs Spears sound intriguing at all. It's gotta be Hangman.

Don't think you have to have Cody there, in fact i think it would be worse with him being there actually given how blatant he was about it. I'd have him form something completely different if anything or just run as a solo heel (he does need to turn though). If EC3 wasn't going to Impact i'd argue that that a stable of egotistical pricks (add Kip Sabian and Ricky Starks even.

I still say Hangman needs to be a lead guy in a stable and given where the storyline with him and FTR is going, it seems like a natural fit for the 4 horseman (then its a matter of finding another young star to put as the 2nd singles guy).

You could easily have Hangman vs Cody cause Cody could get jealous for Hangman stealing his thunder and of course you still have Hangman vs Kenny for Hangman's 'betrayal'. I also think the new horseman could get away with being tweener almost, no one is going to boo FTR and Hangman outright lets face it.

I think they still would have enough scope for a heel vs heel sort of faction with Cody feuding with the Elite over his absenteeism from the Elite (if booked right with real human motivations and have the other just go deeper and deeper into what kind of depraved messed up things they're willing to do to each other and those around them to get an upper hand).

[bondom34]

I wasn't familiar with Eddie Kingston before this....but I really hope they sign him.