WWE General Discussion II

[LLJ]

Let's not beat around the bush anymore. For what they want to do, the WWE clearly should only hire actors and public speakers, not wrestlers.

[WRau1]

The entire WWE Women's division is a mess and I'd be ready to walk if I were Sasha, too.

[Scott Hall]

Nia Jax out several months with double knee surgery
Rousey having hand surgery on Tuesday and expected to take extended time off anyways
Sasha and Bayley completely unhappy with Vince
Ember Moon still injured on the sidelines
Alexa Bliss just coming back after a long serious concussion
Asuka floundering creatively
Carmella reduced to dancing and managing
Bella Twins retired
Mandy Rose getting start and stop pushes
Naomis become a jobber
Riott Squad still not getting over with anybody
Nikki Cross is MIA
Mickie James has fallen into obscurity
WWE trying to convince Beth Phoenix to stay out of retirement for awhile

Yeah giant mess... I'd expect the Sky Pirates, Shayna, LeRae and possibly Thea Ripley or whatever her name is from NXT UK
to get called up for the draft I think they'll have Belair get more seasoning and be the face of the division in NXT.

[spykelee]

Nia Jax out several months with double knee surgery
Rousey having hand surgery on Tuesday and expected to take extended time off anyways
Sasha and Bayley completely unhappy with Vince
Ember Moon still injured on the sidelines
Alexa Bliss just coming back after a long serious concussion
Asuka floundering creatively
Carmella reduced to dancing and managing
Bella Twins retired
Mandy Rose getting start and stop pushes
Naomis become a jobber
Riott Squad still not getting over with anybody
Mickie James has fallen into obscurity
WWE trying to convince Beth Phoenix to stay out of retirement for awhile

Yeah giant mess... I'd expect the Sky Pirates, Shayna, LeRae and possibly Thea Ripley or whatever her name is from NXT UK
to get called up for the draft I think they'll have Belair get more seasoning and be the face of the division in NXT.

Rhea Ripley is awesome. She did recently drop the title so a call up is possible I guess, but she's presently engaging in a feud with a newly debuting Piper Niven who is also awesome. I'd think both women stay on nxt uk for the time being.

I can definitely see the pirates coming up as Paige's new team but I really don't see them making an impact. I just don't think they will be able to connect with the main roster audience. Larae... Sorta the same problem but in a different way.. Maybe it's just me but I only know her as being Johnny's wife. On her own merits I'm not sure what she brings, but admittedly I haven't seen her much in the ring

Shayna is overdue for a call up and I can definetly see her succeeding. Not sold on her cell mates though. They both need quite a bit more seasoning

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[Spens1]

The IIconics are great improvisors, have a strong understanding of their characters and are very likeable despite being annoying heels. There's a lot of value in that combination of traits. Should they be champions? I don't know. But they're good and deserve a shot.

X-Pac Heat is easily the dumbest phrase wrestling fans use on a regular basis. Except maybe workrate, which is equally dumb.

I have no issue with the Iiconics either and they're much more stable as they're an actual tag team rather than just friends who teamed up because creative has nothing for them. Are they the best technically, probably not, but they're hardly undeserving either.

[Spens1]

There are legitimate reasons to be unhappy, but dropping the titles shouldn't be one of them IMO.

Im actually happy a real tag team have the titles. I think it's good for the belts. Her and Bayley were initial champions to get the titles some legitimacy, but they are better in singles and the belts are better off elsewhere.

I think its more the straw that broke the camels back.

Sasha is a 4 time champ but only held the belt for like a combined 2 and a half months (i think 3 of those reigns lasted a combined two weeks).

Bayley's situation is even worse, she won the belt once and that was it (albeit, a 2 and a half month reign).

[LLJ]

Nia Jax out several months with double knee surgery
Rousey having hand surgery on Tuesday and expected to take extended time off anyways
Sasha and Bayley completely unhappy with Vince
Ember Moon still injured on the sidelines
Alexa Bliss just coming back after a long serious concussion
Asuka floundering creatively
Carmella reduced to dancing and managing
Bella Twins retired
Mandy Rose getting start and stop pushes
Naomis become a jobber
Riott Squad still not getting over with anybody
Nikki Cross is MIA
Mickie James has fallen into obscurity
WWE trying to convince Beth Phoenix to stay out of retirement for awhile

Yeah giant mess... I'd expect the Sky Pirates, Shayna, LeRae and possibly Thea Ripley or whatever her name is from NXT UK
to get called up for the draft I think they'll have Belair get more seasoning and be the face of the division in NXT.

Vince shouldn't be booking women at all. This is basically 98% of the main roster women's division you listed. And he's not much better with the men either. I mean basically the only reason Kofi got his opportunity at Mania was because everyone else on Smackdown got jobbed out too badly over the past year to have any momentum to challenge for the WWE title.

The funny thing is that Becky's popularity already peaked before Mania, too. So despite all the women they threw under the bus to make the Mania main event bigger, it ultimately kind of fell flat with crowds at Mania because fans had just gotten tired of the 3 women shrieking like harpies every single week.

What a disaster. I can't remember the last time when nothing in the company felt relevant. Kofi Kingston, Becky Lynch and Seth Rollins are champions and it seems more like they became champs through process of elimination rather than actually being booked well and capturing the wrestling world's attention.

No wonder ratings are tanking.

[jakecronus8]

You guys are mostly dead on in your analysis. It's amazing how they have the most talented roster they've ever had and yet the quality continues to dwindle.

I'm hoping AEW works. I'm ready for an alternative even if it just forces WWE to get their stuff together. Was never a WCW fan but appreciate the fact that it kept the creative juices flowing in wwe.

[bestnamezRtaken]

I can definitely see the frustration for Sasha and Bayley, they've been booked really badly lately. Especially Sasha. But I honestly don't think putting the tag titles on the IIconics is as bad as people are making it out to be. I don't see them as a "comedy act" and I don't see them as "much better divas in the diva era" either. They're good, just not the best. They're both athletes as well. Maybe not in the sense that Charlotte is but not a lot of women are as good as Charlotte is. I dunno why she keeps getting brought up when talking about other women.

I think the IIconics will do the tag titles just fine, they're a great heel team too.

[Scott Hall]

Nia Jax out several months with double knee surgery
Rousey having hand surgery on Tuesday and expected to take extended time off anyways
Sasha and Bayley completely unhappy with Vince
Ember Moon still injured on the sidelines
Alexa Bliss just coming back after a long serious concussion
Asuka floundering creatively
Carmella reduced to dancing and managing
Bella Twins retired
Mandy Rose getting start and stop pushes
Naomis become a jobber
Riott Squad still not getting over with anybody
Mickie James has fallen into obscurity
WWE trying to convince Beth Phoenix to stay out of retirement for awhile

Yeah giant mess... I'd expect the Sky Pirates, Shayna, LeRae and possibly Thea Ripley or whatever her name is from NXT UK
to get called up for the draft I think they'll have Belair get more seasoning and be the face of the division in NXT.

Rhea Ripley is awesome. She did recently drop the title so a call up is possible I guess, but she's presently engaging in a feud with a newly debuting Piper Niven who is also awesome. I'd think both women stay on nxt uk for the time being.

I can definitely see the pirates coming up as Paige's new team but I really don't see them making an impact. I just don't think they will be able to connect with the main roster audience. Larae... Sorta the same problem but in a different way.. Maybe it's just me but I only know her as being Johnny's wife. On her own merits I'm not sure what she brings, but admittedly I haven't seen her much in the ring

Shayna is overdue for a call up and I can definetly see her succeeding. Not sold on her cell mates though. They both need quite a bit more seasoning

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That's cool you met Vampiro and that he's a cool guy. I always liked him in WCW and his commentary on Lucha Underground
and it's pretty crazy that a guy from Thunder Bay became a big legend in Mexico and embraced that culture and I think
moved there for awhile.

Yeah I agree with LaRae she's really bland but is an adequate worker and I think I read a rumor about her getting
called up. As for Ripley I've learned current NXT champions and/or currently involved in feuds doesn't really impact
being called up especially if there's an urgency on the main roster. Ripley and Niven have really just stared each other
down but Ripley can always go back and film a match or 2 while she jumps. I just figure with Nia and Rousey gone
they might want 2 bad ass heels to replace them in Ripley and Shayna. Also agree on the other horsewomen being to green.

Now that Wrestlemania season is over this is usually the down period of the year and you see a lot of re-acclimation
projects. I'd expect Asuka, Mandy Rose and Nikki Cross are gonna start getting featured more prominently possibly
even Carmella since she won the battle royal.

[iMoreland]

Meltzer said on Twitter today that Shinsuke Nakamura is planning on staying in WWE. I want babyface Shinsuke back. The heel turn was the worst thing to happen to him.

Remember when he was the hottest thing in WWE?

[improper]

Remember when he was the hottest thing in WWE?

No.

As for his heel turn, I think it would have been fine if they put the damn belt on him at the end of it, but when you turn a guy and then he just loses the feud that caused him to turn anyway, what the f*ck was the point of turning him at all? You don't turn someone either way and then have them lose their first feud.

[LLJ]

Shinsuke was hot one day, his Smackdown debut. Man, it was a great debut. That was the high point of his main roster

[iMoreland]

Shinsuke was hot one day, his Smackdown debut. Man, it was a great debut. That was the high point of his main roster

Was also hot when he beat Cena clean on a SD leading into SummerSlam. And when he won the Rumble.

[Spens1]

Meltzer said on Twitter today that Shinsuke Nakamura is planning on staying in WWE. I want babyface Shinsuke back. The heel turn was the worst thing to happen to him.

Remember when he was the hottest thing in WWE?

Absolute waste of time tbh, he's absolutely coasting and we all know it. I appreciate the fact that he's making bank for doing not much at all (seeing how little he is on tv nowadays) so he can surf as much as he wants but from an entertainment standpoint i'd much rather he did return to New Japan where the mid card is damn good (and chances are he'd still make bank).

I mean WWE are paying this guy main event money as well which makes it even more bizzare (paying a guy main event money to barely feature is weird).

[improper]

Absolute waste of time tbh, he's absolutely coasting and we all know it. I appreciate the fact that he's making bank for doing not much at all (seeing how little he is on tv nowadays) so he can surf as much as he wants but from an entertainment standpoint i'd much rather he did return to New Japan where the mid card is damn good (and chances are he'd still make bank).

I mean WWE are paying this guy main event money as well which makes it even more bizzare (paying a guy main event money to barely feature is weird).

I don't really blame him or a lot of guys for coasting. What incentive do they have to try? Most of them have a ceiling. And it's a lot lower than it should be because WWE has no interest in pushing anyone outside of 3-4 guys. I feel like Owens is coasting too, and has been for ages, but I don't hate him for it. I hate WWE for not realizing how good he is and giving him a proper, dominant push.

[Spens1]

Absolute waste of time tbh, he's absolutely coasting and we all know it. I appreciate the fact that he's making bank for doing not much at all (seeing how little he is on tv nowadays) so he can surf as much as he wants but from an entertainment standpoint i'd much rather he did return to New Japan where the mid card is damn good (and chances are he'd still make bank).

I mean WWE are paying this guy main event money as well which makes it even more bizzare (paying a guy main event money to barely feature is weird).

I don't really blame him or a lot of guys for coasting. What incentive do they have to try? Most of them have a ceiling. And it's a lot lower than it should be because WWE has no interest in pushing anyone outside of 3-4 guys. I feel like Owens is coasting too, and has been for ages, but I don't hate him for it. I hate WWE for not realizing how good he is and giving him a proper, dominant push.

I think that's my point, you pay these guys so much and then do nothing with them. I think that is my huge issue with the signings, i will never begrudge talent for signing with the WWE if they're getting paid well (if they're signing on mark contracts like seemingly the whole NXT UK crew did, then thats a different thing altogether). Get your money from the WWE to sit in catering, but even that doesn't come without consequences.

Hopefully if AEW emerges as another big company, they can offer both good creative that satisfies talent creatively whilst paying them really well.

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[loserX]

Dang, I was an unapologetic Harper mark. I know he had some injury troubles but I often felt he was underused while Rowan, who has all the magnetic personality of an ironing board, keeps sticking around. On to better things, Luke.

[improper]

Dang, I was an unapologetic Harper mark. I know he had some injury troubles but I often felt he was underused while Rowan, who has all the magnetic personality of an ironing board, keeps sticking around. On to better things, Luke.

Harper is also a great worker against smaller guys, something we rarely got to see in WWE since he was never given anything meaningful to do.