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What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 6:14 am
by NBADraft2003
What would it take for the second and third best professionally wrestling companies to combine to challenge the almighty WWE? It makes perfect sense because it's showcasing younger talent, producing dream matches, and all types of different content. In order for this to work, someone like Jim Cornette needs to be running the company because this guy was good. Set it up WWE style but have Impact on Thursday as regular and Ring of Honor on Saturday as regular but the PPV that should be remade is Hardcore Justice. Hardcore Justice should be held every year at the old ECW arena and have it straight up hardcore just like ECW. Then after Bound for Glory or in April, since WWE doesn't do a Draft TNA does a draft to shake up the rosters. They might have to switch ROH's name to sound like a show. Imagine Steen vs. Joe, Strong vs. Aries, etc. that would bring in good ratings because this is what all wrestling fans want to see and WWE would have to make up major changes although it has been real interesting since Summerslam. Maybe WWE's developmental wrestlers that are familiar with both brands want to be released and join the ride. Have Hogan be the GM of Impact and stay out of storylines and probably Eric Bischoff the GM of whatever ROH's name change is. TNA has been making huge mistakes releasing some very young and talented wrestlers who just needed a push such as Jesse Sorensen.
-TNA's Roster:
http://www.impactwrestling.com/roster/Wrestler-Roster-ROH's Roster:
http://www.rohwrestling.com/wrestlers/roster*Sign these wrestlers: Matt Morgan, Crimson, Joey Ryan, Christian York, DOC(Team up with Knux for Tag Division), Tara, Taeler Hendrix, Madison Rayne(If she decides to wrestle after pregnancy), Adam Pearce, Colt Cabana, Chris Masters, and John Morrison, Elijah Burke, Elix Skipper, Jesse Sorensen,Alex Silva, Devon(I think he'll be back later), Christian York, Crimson, Douglas Williams, Kid Kash, Matt Morgan(Team back with Crimson or stick him in the title hunt), Awesome Kong, Petey Williams, Alex Shelley, Kofi Kingston(Steal him from WWE), Adam Pearce, Ted Dibiase Jr., Paul London and Brian Kendrick, Muhammad Hassan(find a way to get him with Khali or Mahal), and more(you guys list at bottom)
*Doesn't ROH have a deal with NJPW?
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 6:32 am
by Cammo101
Those rosters combined still hold no threat to the WWE. Especially without a quality TV deal.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 9:41 am
by NBADraft2003
Cammo101 wrote:Those rosters combined still hold no threat to the WWE. Especially without a quality TV deal.
You're right, it does need a quality tv deal for it to succed but from who TNT?
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 4:38 pm
by Cammo101
NBADraft2003 wrote:Cammo101 wrote:Those rosters combined still hold no threat to the WWE. Especially without a quality TV deal.
You're right, it does need a quality tv deal for it to succed but from who TNT?
That's the problem. With the abysmal ratings TNA does, no network is going to give them a decent deal.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 4:47 pm
by NBADraft2003
Cammo101 wrote:NBADraft2003 wrote:Cammo101 wrote:Those rosters combined still hold no threat to the WWE. Especially without a quality TV deal.
You're right, it does need a quality tv deal for it to succed but from who TNT?
That's the problem. With the abysmal ratings TNA does, no network is going to give them a decent deal.
Well they'll just have to prove their worth with Spike lol. Prove themselves by putting on good matches, have good ratings and interesting storylines. I blame Hogan and Dixie for their ratings because Dixie doesn't know what the hell she's doing and Hogan just likes to hog tv time for himself instead of having a Booker T Gm role and letting the wrestlers do their thing.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:12 pm
by Stanford
NBADraft2003 wrote:What would it take for the second and third best professionally wrestling companies to combine to challenge the almighty WWE?
Money, and more of it than Vince is willing to spend.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 9:35 pm
by skbucks1985
I heard an argument a few days ago that all things considered TNA gets pretty good ratings. TNA gets, roughly, a 1 rating while WWE gets, roughly, a 3 rating. And that's obviously a huge disparity but the disparity between the two companies' name ID is probably higher than 3:1. Then when you take into account the fact that TNA is in a very competitive timeslot and is, frankly, a pretty poor product there ratings are pretty good. Now, I don't know how fully I buy the argument because I think a 1.0 is probably close to the basement of what a wrestling company that has been in primetime for several years on a network like Spike can expect.
As for your idea, you're basically suggesting bringing back the pre-Bischoff and Hogan era of TNA when Cornette was one of the top bookers in the company. And suffice it to say I don't think any of those people would make a real ratings uptick.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm
by Stanford
Ratings, maybe. They're dreadful at every other aspect of the business. Vince's advantage goes well beyond TV ratings.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 11:01 pm
by skbucks1985
Certainly true. Although I would add if TNA had all the same creative, financial issues they currently have and were averaging something in the 2-2.5 range, everyone would be looking at them completely differently.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Sep 3, 2013 11:21 pm
by Cammo101
safi wrote:Certainly true. Although I would add if TNA had all the same creative, financial issues they currently have and were averaging something in the 2-2.5 range, everyone would be looking at them completely differently.
It would also help if they could draw more than 300 people to a house show.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:32 am
by Stanford
Cammo101 wrote:safi wrote:Certainly true. Although I would add if TNA had all the same creative, financial issues they currently have and were averaging something in the 2-2.5 range, everyone would be looking at them completely differently.
It would also help if they could draw more than 300 people to a house show.
Exactly. Or had a clue how to market their product.
I've never once seen a TNA T-Shirt. I've see plenty of Colt Cabana shirts.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2013 6:06 am
by NBADraft2003
Cammo101 wrote:safi wrote:Certainly true. Although I would add if TNA had all the same creative, financial issues they currently have and were averaging something in the 2-2.5 range, everyone would be looking at them completely differently.
It would also help if they could draw more than 300 people to a house show.
TNA needs to get out of those small arenas. Start doing what WWE is doing but that'll never happen.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2013 3:04 pm
by skbucks1985
That's the worst idea possible. Those arenas are much more expensive and they wouldn't draw anymore than they currently draw in the small arenas.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Thu Sep 5, 2013 7:28 pm
by Cammo101
safi wrote:That's the worst idea possible. Those arenas are much more expensive and they wouldn't draw anymore than they currently draw in the small arenas.
Exactly. If you can't get 300 people in Danville, Illinois to show up, you surely can't get 10,000 people in San Antonio to show up.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Fri Sep 6, 2013 3:44 am
by NBADraft2003
Cammo101 wrote:safi wrote:That's the worst idea possible. Those arenas are much more expensive and they wouldn't draw anymore than they currently draw in the small arenas.
Exactly. If you can't get 300 people in Danville, Illinois to show up, you surely can't get 10,000 people in San Antonio to show up.
Why doesn't Vince McMahon just won't but it?
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Sat Sep 7, 2013 3:02 am
by Cammo101
NBADraft2003 wrote:Cammo101 wrote:safi wrote:That's the worst idea possible. Those arenas are much more expensive and they wouldn't draw anymore than they currently draw in the small arenas.
Exactly. If you can't get 300 people in Danville, Illinois to show up, you surely can't get 10,000 people in San Antonio to show up.
Why doesn't Vince McMahon just won't but it?
Why buy it when it has nothing of value he really needs? He can just wait for them to go belly up and grab whoever he wants without buying them.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:00 pm
by skbucks1985
A couple years ago Daffney sued TNA because of injuries she suffered and it being an unsafe work environment. They settled out of court like 6 months ago.
What does that have to with this topic you ask, that's a good question and let me explain. The lawyer who defended Daffney recently said he is speaking to another client who wants to challenge TNA's classification of wrestlers as independent contractors. If there's anything that would make WWE ever consider purchasing TNA its that lawsuit. Its possible that WWE could just have there lawyers consulting on the case, but even then TNA's lawyers are still leading the case. Absorbing that lawsuit is a better reason to purchase TNA than any other. Because TNA can make a decent case that there wrestlers are in fact independent contractors. They're not allowed to appear on a competitor with television but if AJ Styles wants to work some local Indy show on his day off, he's well within his rights to do so. The same does not apply for Daniel Bryan. So, if that's thrown out for TNA its hard to see how WWE could still claim it and if WWE had to start classifying there wrestlers as employees... it would, in HHH's words, not be good for business.
Re: What Would It Take for TNA & ROH to COMBINE?
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:46 pm
by elrey21
Cammo101 wrote:NBADraft2003 wrote:Cammo101 wrote:
Exactly. If you can't get 300 people in Danville, Illinois to show up, you surely can't get 10,000 peoplit in San Antonio to show up.
Why doesn't Vince McMahon just won't but it?
Why buy it when it has nothing of value he really needs? He can just wait for them to go belly up and grab whoever he wants without buying them.
Patents on the six sided ring, the x-division title, along with hours on hours of wrestling programing that they can put on wwe tv when it comes out along with the tna video library. Jeff hardy, kurt angle, sting dvd's etc... would have extra content. Plus contract rights to the entire roster. For the right price vince would buy I