WWE General Discussion II

[tugs]

Spoiler:

Gable Steveson signs with WWE. Absolutely massive. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a star.

stuff like this that is the reason why Vince feels confident about his personnel moves.

Depth of talent has never been the WWE's problem. Yes they can lose guys like Danielson and Moxley and still have plenty of "names" (though there are no true "draws" in wrestling anymore these days). It's the utilization of their talent and the slow-drip death of their fanbase that's always been their problem. They can sign all the former gold medalists, CFL rejects and former national track athletes (Bianca) in the world they want, but if they're booked like **** (again, Bianca), they won't be creating any true needle movers.

But hey, maybe that's by design. The brand is the draw and all that nonsense.

I agree, the brand and the nostalgia with it. Reason why old guys keep coming back, they didn't care to build another generational face of the company

Reigns has been killing it but damn those wasted opportunities while he wasn't ready. Remember Cesaro? He felt like a nobody when he had his match with Seth

[Texas Chuck]

Still pissed they let go of someone with a working gimmick and character but kept his schtick and gave to a woman who doesn't need it

The Fiend sucked. The promos were repetitive and played out and The Fiend couldn't wrestle a real match. I think Bray Wyatt is a talent, but he's too invested into being odd. He doesn't seem to know how to self-edit.

And I know I'm likely alone on this, but I think Bliss plays this character better. She understands it should be more campy than dark if its ever really going to work combined with in ring stuff which ultimately it has too. And unlike Bray, she pretty much makes everything she's given work. She's the best at working a character in the entire division. I love her work.

[jakecronus8]

Still pissed they let go of someone with a working gimmick and character but kept his schtick and gave to a woman who doesn't need it

The Fiend sucked. The promos were repetitive and played out and The Fiend couldn't wrestle a real match. I think Bray Wyatt is a talent, but he's too invested into being odd. He doesn't seem to know how to self-edit.

And I know I'm likely alone on this, but I think Bliss plays this character better. She understands it should be more campy than dark if its ever really going to work combined with in ring stuff which ultimately it has too. And unlike Bray, she pretty much makes everything she's given work. She's the best at working a character in the entire division. I love her work.

This may be your opinion but it’s in the severe minority. Fiend was as over as anyone post-Daniel Bryan and his character/promos were new and refreshing in an era that’s been boring and predictable. His failings were 100% due to the company and their booking of him.

As far as Bliss goes: she was a great pairing with Wyatt but was again ruined by booking. As time goes on her interpretation of that character (or wwe’s perhaps) make less and less sense. Luckily for her, she’s talented enough in her regular heel role that she’ll be able to recover.

[Texas Chuck]

And I know I'm likely alone on this,

This may be your opinion but it’s in the severe minority.

[tugs]

I don't know what to think of Alexa. She's good, but the gimmick is like a mix of Al Snow with Head and R-Truth with Lil Jimmy, and Rosemary from Impact

[WRau1]

Still pissed they let go of someone with a working gimmick and character but kept his schtick and gave to a woman who doesn't need it

The Fiend sucked. The promos were repetitive and played out and The Fiend couldn't wrestle a real match. I think Bray Wyatt is a talent, but he's too invested into being odd. He doesn't seem to know how to self-edit.

And I know I'm likely alone on this, but I think Bliss plays this character better. She understands it should be more campy than dark if its ever really going to work combined with in ring stuff which ultimately it has too. And unlike Bray, she pretty much makes everything she's given work. She's the best at working a character in the entire division. I love her work.

This may be your opinion but it’s in the severe minority. Fiend was as over as anyone post-Daniel Bryan and his character/promos were new and refreshing in an era that’s been boring and predictable. His failings were 100% due to the company and their booking of him.

As far as Bliss goes: she was a great pairing with Wyatt but was again ruined by booking. As time goes on her interpretation of that character (or wwe’s perhaps) make less and less sense. Luckily for her, she’s talented enough in her regular heel role that she’ll be able to recover.

Yup, there was a time where Fiend was arguably the most over act in all of pro wrestling. WWE completely killed him with **** booking.

[tugs]

Started off with the effen red light lol

[Marcus]

Spoiler:

Gable Steveson signs with WWE. Absolutely massive. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a star.

stuff like this that is the reason why Vince feels confident about his personnel moves.

Depth of talent has never been the WWE's problem. Yes they can lose guys like Danielson and Moxley and still have plenty of "names" (though there are no true "draws" in wrestling anymore these days). It's the utilization of their talent and the slow-drip death of their fanbase that's always been their problem. They can sign all the former gold medalists, CFL rejects and former national track athletes (Bianca) in the world they want, but if they're booked like **** (again, Bianca), they won't be creating any true needle movers.

But hey, maybe that's by design. The brand is the draw and all that nonsense.

it absolutely is, and as a business (which is how Vince has always looked at it) he's never really looking to grab and keep hold of wrestling fan. Wrestling fan is a given, they'll forever be there good or bad because they are wrestling fan. Vince wants the casuals and has always gunned for the casuals. This is the type of signing (whether the performer pans out or not) that the casuals will gravitate to. The company is large enough to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. If it doesn't he doesn't have a problem moving on to the next. He'd rather roll the dice for that needle mover with the casuals than invest in one for wrestling fan.

[Texas Chuck]

it absolutely is, and as a business (which is how Vince has always looked at it) he's never really looking to grab and keep hold of wrestling fan. Wrestling fan is a given, they'll forever be there good or bad because they are wrestling fan. Vince wants the casuals and has always gunned for the casuals. This is the type of signing (whether the performer pans out or not) that the casuals will gravitate to. The company is large enough to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. If it doesn't he doesn't have a problem moving on to the next. He'd rather roll the dice for that needle mover with the casuals than invest in one for wrestling fan.

Yep. This is why Jake Paul appears. Or all the other stupid celebrity spots (Bad Bunny I exempt as he clearly put in a ton of work for his run). It's why he still drags Hogan out when wrestling fans view him rightfully as a pariah.

And while we can all be very critical of Vince as Creative. He's proven himself over and over again as a businessman. AEW has to play to the hardcore fans because they have no chance of competing in any other fashion. We want to credit them for doing it right, but if we are honest, they are just doing what they have to as well. Otherwise you are Impact or TNA and nobody cares at all.

[Marcus]

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Breaking: Vince’s booking finally gives Triple H a heart attack.

[tugs]

Damn, get well soon, Paul

Don't wanna say it's from all the cuts that happened

[Pharaoh]

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Highly unlikely it's a genetic thing IMO



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[Scott Hall]

it absolutely is, and as a business (which is how Vince has always looked at it) he's never really looking to grab and keep hold of wrestling fan. Wrestling fan is a given, they'll forever be there good or bad because they are wrestling fan. Vince wants the casuals and has always gunned for the casuals. This is the type of signing (whether the performer pans out or not) that the casuals will gravitate to. The company is large enough to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. If it doesn't he doesn't have a problem moving on to the next. He'd rather roll the dice for that needle mover with the casuals than invest in one for wrestling fan.

Yep. This is why Jake Paul appears. Or all the other stupid celebrity spots (Bad Bunny I exempt as he clearly put in a ton of work for his run). It's why he still drags Hogan out when wrestling fans view him rightfully as a pariah.

And while we can all be very critical of Vince as Creative. He's proven himself over and over again as a businessman. AEW has to play to the hardcore fans because they have no chance of competing in any other fashion. We want to credit them for doing it right, but if we are honest, they are just doing what they have to as well. Otherwise you are Impact or TNA and nobody cares at all.

The last 2 RAW "Legends Nights" were ordered from the USA network and with Hogan as the main attraction both
episodes saw a significant ratings increase. Hogan detractors like to pretend that Hogan doesn't have a significant
fanbase but he clearly does.

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The last 2 RAW "Legends Nights" were ordered from the USA network and with Hogan as the main attraction both
episodes saw a significant ratings increase. Hogan detractors like to pretend that Hogan doesn't have a significant
fanbase but he clearly does.

The problem is that those boosts don't really do anything, because the people who tuned in just to see Hogan will tune right back out the following week.

[iMoreland]

Gable Steveson goes straight to the main roster, right?

[tugs]

Gable Steveson goes straight to the main roster, right?

FOR THE **** ACADEMY!!!

But, can't have 2 Gables in one stable so that's not gonna happen. Or, it's gonna be Otis, Gable Steveson, and Chad

[Ruzious]

Gable Steveson goes straight to the main roster, right?

Nah, he'll be on the fast track, but it's a different sport, and he's got a lot to learn.

[Marcus]

Gable Steveson goes straight to the main roster, right?

think it depends on how quickly he picks it up performance wise. Could give him a mouthpiece to sell the character if the performance part comes around quickly. Long as the in-ring work matches the gimmick they choose for him I think the rest will be shot from the hip.

[Texas Chuck]

Gable Steveson goes straight to the main roster, right?

think it depends on how quickly he picks it up performance wise. Could give him a mouthpiece to sell the character if the performance part comes around quickly. Long as the in-ring work matches the gimmick they choose for him I think the rest will be shot from the hip.

Give him time. It's not like he's some household name that sells itself. Angle worked not because the credibility of the gold medal but because he could play his character from the jump. Rushing him only to have the audience turned off because the champion wrestler can't professionally wrestle good matches and his character isn't compelling defeats the whole purpose here.