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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#21 » by Shem » Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:17 am

Walton1one wrote:Wow DC played 9min tonight, way to utilize your #7 pick Billups

Are you saying that Clingan would have made the difference and won the game tonight if he got 25 minutes? He played like trash (3 turnovers in those 8:31 playing time) and didn't look comfortable out there.
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#22 » by Shem » Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:18 am

PDXKnight wrote:First game he's back and we are down 20. Predictable

Or maybe it's the 6th time this season that Embiid, Maxey and Paul George have played together this season. Did you really think the Blazers had more talent than the Sixers? Or did you forget that the win against the Jazz by 2 points was against a team that sucks and the Mavericks were missing 3 starters and 4 rotational players?
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#23 » by dckingsfan » Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:29 pm

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Walton1one wrote:Wow DC played 9min tonight, way to utilize your #7 pick Billups

Are you saying that Clingan would have made the difference and won the game tonight if he got 25 minutes? He played like trash (3 turnovers in those 8:31 playing time) and didn't look comfortable out there.

I think the point is that you play your rookie through his mistakes ESPECIALLY when you are getting blown out.

The question is why he hasn't received more playing time in this game and previous games when this team is going nowhere. And yes, you will look uncomfortable if you know there is a quick hook coming.
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#24 » by Walton1one » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:28 pm

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Walton1one wrote:Wow DC played 9min tonight, way to utilize your #7 pick Billups

Are you saying that Clingan would have made the difference and won the game tonight if he got 25 minutes? He played like trash (3 turnovers in those 8:31 playing time) and didn't look comfortable out there.


No, I don't think he would have made a difference, however when you invest such an important asset (lottery pick) into a player, you need to play that player, whether he struggles or not, especially when you are a team that is not expected (nor wants to be) good this year.

9 minutes for the #7 pick is just stupid, kind of like bringing your #3 pick off the bench or taking him out with 5min left in a game you are already getting blown out in. They invested these precious (most valuable) assets in these players, you better well cultivate\play them as much as you can, for their benefit and the organization's.

But this is 100% a byproduct of Cronin's own making, (4) centers on the roster, vets that don't fit the young players' timeline that are still on the team b\c he either WANTS to play two timelines or he greatly overvalued their worth.
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#25 » by Shem » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:28 pm

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Walton1one wrote:Wow DC played 9min tonight, way to utilize your #7 pick Billups

Are you saying that Clingan would have made the difference and won the game tonight if he got 25 minutes? He played like trash (3 turnovers in those 8:31 playing time) and didn't look comfortable out there.

I think the point is that you play your rookie through his mistakes ESPECIALLY when you are getting blown out.

The question is why he hasn't received more playing time in this game and previous games when this team is going nowhere. And yes, you will look uncomfortable if you know there is a quick hook coming.

You have to remember that there were 3 centers playing in last night's game since Time Lord was available to play. It was just one game out of many this season. It's not a big deal.
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#26 » by dckingsfan » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:48 pm

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Shem wrote:Are you saying that Clingan would have made the difference and won the game tonight if he got 25 minutes? He played like trash (3 turnovers in those 8:31 playing time) and didn't look comfortable out there.

I think the point is that you play your rookie through his mistakes ESPECIALLY when you are getting blown out.

The question is why he hasn't received more playing time in this game and previous games when this team is going nowhere. And yes, you will look uncomfortable if you know there is a quick hook coming.

You have to remember that there were 3 centers playing in last night's game since Time Lord was available to play. It was just one game out of many this season. It's not a big deal.

No - not a huge deal. Clingan has been playing ~ 16 mpg. Probably not optimal for his development, so there is that.

But when it gets to the 4th quarter and the game is already over - you don't play him? This is very short sighted.

And it wasn't like he played like "trash". He was +1 while he was on the floor, as well as 2 assists against those 3 TOs. And you watched the game, at least 1 of those TOs really wasn't his issue. And I thought he did fine on the defensive end of the court against Embiid in the first few minutes of the 2nd quarter - something we couldn't say about Ayton, no?
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#27 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:53 pm

Brandon-Clyde wrote:Obvious that Billups is back coaching.


Yeah, in the first half, when Philly went big, Billups stays with the smaller unit. In the second half, Billups goes big with 2 centers, but Philly didn't go big. WTF??? Why didn't he put RWIII in with Clingan and/or Ayton in the 1st half? That made no sense.

How come Deni was guarding Embiid instead of Ayton?
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#28 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:56 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:I think the point is that you play your rookie through his mistakes ESPECIALLY when you are getting blown out.

The question is why he hasn't received more playing time in this game and previous games when this team is going nowhere. And yes, you will look uncomfortable if you know there is a quick hook coming.

You have to remember that there were 3 centers playing in last night's game since Time Lord was available to play. It was just one game out of many this season. It's not a big deal.

No - not a huge deal. Clingan has been playing ~ 16 mpg. Probably not optimal for his development, so there is that.

But when it gets to the 4th quarter and the game is already over - you don't play him? This is very short sighted.

And it wasn't like he played like "trash". He was +1 while he was on the floor, as well as 2 assists against those 3 TOs. And you watched the game, at least 1 of those TOs really wasn't his issue. And I thought he did fine on the defensive end of the court against Embiid in the first few minutes of the 2nd quarter - something we couldn't say about Ayton, no?


He may have been +1, but he did not have a good game. I agree though, he should have gotten more minutes. Down 25 with like 8 minutes to go and you continue playing your starters another 4 minutes or so. C'mon, call it already and put the young guys in. I'd play Clingan ahead of Reath.
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#29 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:58 pm

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PDXKnight wrote:First game he's back and we are down 20. Predictable

Or maybe it's the 6th time this season that Embiid, Maxey and Paul George have played together this season. Did you really think the Blazers had more talent than the Sixers? Or did you forget that the win against the Jazz by 2 points was against a team that sucks and the Mavericks were missing 3 starters and 4 rotational players?


Embiid made some crazy shots. Paul George, not so much. Loved that!
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#30 » by dckingsfan » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:09 pm

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Shem wrote:You have to remember that there were 3 centers playing in last night's game since Time Lord was available to play. It was just one game out of many this season. It's not a big deal.

No - not a huge deal. Clingan has been playing ~ 16 mpg. Probably not optimal for his development, so there is that.

But when it gets to the 4th quarter and the game is already over - you don't play him? This is very short sighted.

And it wasn't like he played like "trash". He was +1 while he was on the floor, as well as 2 assists against those 3 TOs. And you watched the game, at least 1 of those TOs really wasn't his issue. And I thought he did fine on the defensive end of the court against Embiid in the first few minutes of the 2nd quarter - something we couldn't say about Ayton, no?


He may have been +1, but he did not have a good game. I agree though, he should have gotten more minutes. Down 25 with like 8 minutes to go and you continue playing your starters another 4 minutes or so. C'mon, call it already and out the young guys in. I'd play Clingan ahead of Reath.

Yeah, I guess arguing how Clingan played vs. Ayton on D is tertiary. But like you say, when you are down 17 going into the 4th, you aren't going to play your youngsters? It is just a bit mindboggling...

But I am "guessing" (an opinion) that Billups is being backed up by Cronin. Not a good look (again, my opinion).
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Re: Game 31: Portland vs Philadelphia 7:00pm Chargetv 

Post#31 » by Shem » Fri Jan 3, 2025 8:24 am

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:I think the point is that you play your rookie through his mistakes ESPECIALLY when you are getting blown out.

The question is why he hasn't received more playing time in this game and previous games when this team is going nowhere. And yes, you will look uncomfortable if you know there is a quick hook coming.

You have to remember that there were 3 centers playing in last night's game since Time Lord was available to play. It was just one game out of many this season. It's not a big deal.

No - not a huge deal. Clingan has been playing ~ 16 mpg. Probably not optimal for his development, so there is that.

But when it gets to the 4th quarter and the game is already over - you don't play him? This is very short sighted.

And it wasn't like he played like "trash". He was +1 while he was on the floor, as well as 2 assists against those 3 TOs. And you watched the game, at least 1 of those TOs really wasn't his issue. And I thought he did fine on the defensive end of the court against Embiid in the first few minutes of the 2nd quarter - something we couldn't say about Ayton, no?

You also have to remember that (and I can't believe I overlooked typing this even though it crossed my mind) that Clingan is still recovering from a knee injury. He has not looked the same since coming back from it and if you ask me, he probably needs to sit out more games and rest it.
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