What player would YOU target in a use #11 - DENI 2.0 Trade?

[Tim Lehrbach]

I don't rate anybody after #3 (Edgecombe) as worth trading up for, but I do predict Portland will try. They've been spoiled insofar as "their guy" has dropped to Portland in three straight drafts. If they've got their sights on somebody, they will probably make offers to move up from #11. Just my guess.

As for trading the pick for a veteran, I too cannot think of anybody good that a team would trade for #11. But obviously if somebody loses his mind and gives up a star for the pick, you do it. I'm skeptical.

[Walton1one]

If POR trades up IMO I think it would be to prevent BRK from acquiring 9/10, I think BRK wants to get like 2 of Fears/Essengue/Demin, and I think POR is trying to stop them from taking Demin

There are rumors that BRK is trying to trade up, my guess is to select Fears, but if he is gone Demin may be Plan B

Fears\Essengue
or
Essengue\Demin

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Demin actually kind of makes sense if they plan to commit to a score-first guard like Thomas and run an unconventional back-court. It's not a model I want for Portland but if you have a guy you think is an elite scorer at 6'3 then a pass-first guy with some size is what you want next to them. It's what we tried and failed to do with Turner next to Lillard but if Demin can be a better shooter than Turner (which is not a given considering Demin has always been a poor shooter) then it might work for them.

[Dame Lizard]

Demin actually kind of makes sense if they plan to commit to a score-first guard like Thomas and run an unconventional back-court. It's not a model I want for Portland but if you have a guy you think is an elite scorer at 6'3 then a pass-first guy with some size is what you want next to them. It's what we tried and failed to do with Turner next to Lillard but if Demin can be a better shooter than Turner (which is not a given considering Demin has always been a poor shooter) then it might work for them.

Why does it make sense to draft a very flawed player like Demin, when as of today, Scoot and Shaedon both remain better prospects than Demin, and by a long shot.

Demin can't shoot, can't rebound, is slow, not an overly good ball handler and not an overly good defender.

Yes, he's 6'9/6'10, but his length makes him as 'big' as a lot of 6'7/6'8 players when considering length.

Other than being able to see good passes, what good is that height if it's not being used for the things you want height for (defense, rebounding, post scoring)?

He'd be a really poor lottery pick imo. Please take Coward, Essengue, Bryant, Jaku over Demin, Portland.

[GEE]

DAAAAMN... Some really good names coming up. I love the idea suggested of helping H-'town land Durrant, netting Eason or Smith. Another name I thought, and just saw on the wiretap, Jonathan Kuminga would fit the bill. Maybe Reed or Triple J? Just thought it would be fun to derail a bit from the norm.

Fun thing, no matter who I try to think of as the perfect piece to mesh between Deni and Clingan, I imagine it will likely be someone I'd never thought of, like that child beast in the ATL someone mentioned. Team by Team.... who could it be????

Starting at PF next season, PG13... Sure, Why not? That would sure move the needle. I'm kidding of course, but I'd certainly try for Joel. Doesn't hurt to ask, right.

[Butter]

They aren't "stacked" but they have young prospects at every position. I've said this before, but the lesson here is Sebastian Telfair. Just don't pass on Deron Williams because you think Martell Webster fits a need.

I very much agree with the point you’re making, but there’s a vast differences in trading down from the #3 to #6 to take Martell Webster and passing on Deron Williams AND Chris Paul cause you were “set” at PG and what the Blazers current situation is at #11.

With that #3 pick year, there was a clear Top 4 talent in that draft, once you got to 6, it was more of a pickup who-do-you-like-best kind of draft. That’s what the Blazers #11 pick is like. This draft falls off talent wise after the top 6. 7-15 is just kind of whatever you think fits.

So I’m fine moving this years pick and not worried about the Deron/Paul type of situation here.

Yeah I disagree with this, are you 100% sure that Tre Johnson or Kon are going to be better pros than Coward, Clifford or Riley?

Is Bailey a lock to be better than Bryant, Essengue or Penda?

I would be skeptical

No one "knows" anything. If "they" did, there would be no first round busts (see Michael Oliwakandi)

If the debate is close that Coward is remotely close to Tre Johnson, I'm with you. Stay at #11 and pull the trigger.

Tre is younger and "they" rate him higher, but who knows.

[cucad8]

Lol, the Blazers are not stacked at any position, they don’t have one All-Star on this roster

The list of players that could possibly be acquired for the #11 pick does not look appealing, nor does it push this team any farther than what, a play in, the #8 seed?whooptefreakindo

Cronin and Company must be high on their own supply if they really believe last year’s late season play was a sign that this team is ready to take a big leap. What a joke.

wait where are you hearing that?

Apparently Marang, who is wrong more often than right and Fischer? reported POR could move #11. The thing is I went thru every team trying to identify a player worth that pick & the list is uninspiring.

Braun, I like him as a player, but he is not a foundational piece, also due big money in a year

Jabari Smith? Very underwhelming so far, I’d take a flyer but not for #11, future pick ok

Who else? Patrick Williams? Not worth his current contract

RJ Barrett? would cost more than #11, not worth it

The thing is with #11 you have a chance to hit that lotto ticket, to trade that away for a mid level player whom you know what they already are & does not propel you any farther than playoff fodder is stupid, but, and I hope I am proven wrong, current management seems hell bent on irrelevancy, and I am astonished by the number of Blazer fans that blindly accept that

Cam Johnson? What is the point? To come off the bench behind Deni, Tou & Grant? Does not move the needle

I hate the “we have too many young players” bs, particularly when NONE of them are needle movers to date, if you are OKC or HOU, sure, but acting like POR is even in that same hemisphere is asinine and Cronin & Billups (& Kolde?) literally hinted at that line of reasoning at the EOS press conference, shows you how delusional they are

The more young players you have the more value you have to trade FOR that player, pretty simple concept

Does no one remember when that idiot Olshey did the EXACT SAME THING before? Taking a mirage of successful play for a small period as proof of performance? How did that work out? And that team had Dame, this team has Simons, lol

I mean, once again, it worked on landing Deni. Deni was well worth what we traded for him and then some. So people are envisioning this as potentially the same. We knew who he was. But he was also young, and could improve. Same with many young targets. We know who they ARE. We don't know for sure what they will become. Just like the draft.

[dckingsfan]

Grayson Allen but I am not sure how you would get it done. And I wouldn't want to give up 11 for him. And he isn't young.

If I was Brooklyn, that would be the trade I would try with Phoenix. Then again, Brooklyn might not be ready to win yet.

The Hornets could offer players and 2 SRPs which is what Phoenix needs to stay under the second apron.

Not sure there is a three-way team where we get Allen? His contract is at $16,875,000.

[tester551]

Grayson Allen but I am not sure how you would get it done. And I wouldn't want to give up 11 for him. And he isn't young.

If I was Brooklyn, that would be the trade I would try with Phoenix. Then again, Brooklyn might not be ready to win yet.

The Hornets could offer players and 2 SRPs which is what Phoenix needs to stay under the second apron.

Not sure there is a three-way team where we get Allen? His contract is at $16,875,000.

Id love Allen.
Hes what Kon will turn into.
Given Phoenix is trying to get under the 2nd apron, there's a chance that Suns would agree to a Allen/Thybulle swap

[dckingsfan]

Grayson Allen but I am not sure how you would get it done. And I wouldn't want to give up 11 for him. And he isn't young.

If I was Brooklyn, that would be the trade I would try with Phoenix. Then again, Brooklyn might not be ready to win yet.

The Hornets could offer players and 2 SRPs which is what Phoenix needs to stay under the second apron.

Not sure there is a three-way team where we get Allen? His contract is at $16,875,000.

Id love Allen.
Hes what Kon will turn into.
Given Phoenix is trying to get under the 2nd apron, there's a chance that Suns would agree to a Allen/Thybulle swap

That would be a terrific trade. I wonder if we could pull Charlotte into the trade somehow.

[BlazersBroncos]

Sorta thinking outside the box but I wonder what DET sees in Jaden Ivey. If they dont see him as a long-term backcourt mate to Cade I wonder if they would do 11 for Ivey to get back into the draft.

We hedge on Scoot and Sharpe as Ivey has played a lot of SG (And has passable SG size at 6'4 w/ 6'10 WS). He has had ups and downs, but his shooting improved dramatically last season (2.1 - 4.9 3PT at 41% in 30 games). Now, that is a small sample size but encouraging. Decent at getting to the rim. Defense needs improvement.

Not saying its something I am high on, and its likely that DET sees him as the backcourt partner to Cade - but just trying to think outside the box.

Mathurian is another guy. IND may want to shed some money and reset w/ a player on a rookie scale deal. Jarace Walker fits the bill as well - and unlike Mathruian would fit into the Brogdan TPE (Which assuming IND is on salary saving mode would really incentivize them). The play of Toppin may have them second guessing what was consitered the easiest way to reduce salary - move Toppin into TPE/cap.

It stinks that IND moved off that #23 pick because I would want a bit more than Jarace in a trade for #11 based on production and impending extension. I do think he is a very good talent.

Cant see DEN being interested in swapping Braun for 11. Worried also on the Joker effect re Braun - think he is a great player, but a role player whos stats are a bit inflated working with that wizard.

It doesnt interest me that much but Anthony Black + 25 for 11? Black is another hedge on Scoot / Sharpe and if the pan out fits well as a 3rd guard (IE able to play PG w/ Sharpe or off ball w/ Scoot).

Tre Murphy has been talked about quite a bit - I think the cost would be too high. Not willing to cash the future MIL FRP for him personally.

GG Jackson + 16 for 11? Not a fan really of GG but he has the raw talent - I just dont think he ever gets his head straight (He had nice raw stats as a rookie but by all advanced metrics was a tank commander).

Dont see the upside really but Cory Kispert + 18 for 11? Maybe we see Kispert as having Wally Z upside if he scales up? Think I would pass personally. Will say, gun to my head and you say pick between Kispert + 18 for 11 or Tre for 11 + future picks and I take the former.

Another outside the box idea but something w/ a S&T for Santi Aldama - really great fit/compliment as a 3rd big with Deni and DC. Great passer, excellent floor spacer, still only 24. Aldama S&T + 16 for 11 + filler (RWIII?). If MEM believes they cant afford him to begin with the chance to move up 5 slots seems quite enticing.

This is one that I actually really like. Santi graded as an elite role player last season (.144 WS48, +2.5 OBPM, +0.7 DBPM, .50 3PTar, 15.2 AST%, low usage at under 20%). See him as a quasi-core piece we could maybe acquire for a fairly low cost of moving down 5 slots (Albeit alot is based on financial outlook for MEM).

Not a ton of great options, but was trying to think of scenarios we have not discussed.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Please, no Jalen Green.

[DusterBuster]

Please, no Jalen Green.

I suspect Suns are keeping him, at least for a little. Don’t think that’s much of a worry.

[BlazersBroncos]

With the Suns now having a billion SG I would love to make a move for Beal with Grant outgoing so we can shave a year.

Grant + RWIII + Reath for Beal + 29.

Move Simons in a separate deal. Use Beal as a super-6th man. Snag a guy at 29. Clean cap sheet a year sooner. Lots of positives IMO - but would rely on Beal waiving the NTC.

Trade 11 for 15 and 25.
Trade Simons + Thybulle for Aldama (S&T 20M AV - Counts as 10M in S&T) + KCP

Draft Coward 15, WCJ 25, Beringer 29

G - Scoot Henderson / Bradley Beal / Walter Clayton JR (25)
G - Shadeon Sharpe / Bradley Beal / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
F - Toumani Camara / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Cedric Coward (15)
F - Deni Avdija / Santi Aldama / Kris Murray / Rayan Rupert
C - DeAndre Ayton / Donovan Clingan / Joan Beringer (29)

Not overly realistic but I love that roster.

[Norm2953]

Just make the 11 for 15/24 trade with the Thunder.

Imagine this board if they made this trade and ended up with what Tankathon in their mock draft
listed as Coward, Beringer being the picks at 15, 24

[Walton1one]

Time for a goldbum update….

POR should not trade away #11

If they were smart they should be trying to offload any of the non essential vets (Simons, Grant, Thybulle, Ayton) to acquire another 1st round pick in this draft, double down on the youth, they could still make the play in w/o any of those players even on the team, but more importantly, they are acquiring talent and kicking the can down the road another year while GS, LAL & LAC get older and teams like SAC, PHX, MEM & NO maybe/not? Sort out the due roster problems


Don’t sell the pick to chase fool’s (Covington) gold