Trade back for Lillard?

[PDXKnight]

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If theyre offering what they were before id jump on it. Even Barrett alone might ve worth it but rj plus a top 5 protected (or even a flier on boyles instead) would be phenomenal if the previous offer was true

Was that really offered? What year is the pick? I would jump all over that offer.

Rumor has it the raptors offered 9 and rj for jrue on draft day. But who knows what really happened

[Wizenheimer]

If theyre offering what they were before id jump on it. Even Barrett alone might ve worth it but rj plus a top 5 protected (or even a flier on boyles instead) would be phenomenal if the previous offer was true

Was that really offered? What year is the pick? I would jump all over that offer.

Rumor has it the raptors offered 9 and rj for jrue on draft day. But who knows what really happened

the 'rumor' was from Jake Fisher

what he said was it was Barrett + 9 for Derrick White. Then he said Toronto might have got more aggressive and offered it for Jrue....but he was unsure about that. Later, he said it could have been Barrett + Quickley + 9 for White + Jrue. Basically Toronto was likely willing to offer 9 for White, but probably not for Jrue

for the Celtics it was DOA because they desperately needed expiring contracts to get out of 2nd apron hell; While Barrett and Quickley have long term deals

but yeah, in the best fantasy world for Portland, it would have been a 3-team trade: Simons-->Celts - Jrue-->Raps - Barrett + 9-->Blazers

[DusterBuster]

Was that really offered? What year is the pick? I would jump all over that offer.

Rumor has it the raptors offered 9 and rj for jrue on draft day. But who knows what really happened

the 'rumor' was from Jake Fisher

what he said was it was Barrett + 9 for Derrick White. Then he said Toronto might have got more aggressive and offered it for Jrue....but he was unsure about that. Later, he said it could have been Barrett + Quickley + 9 for White + Jrue. Basically Toronto was likely willing to offer 9 for White, but probably not for Jrue

for the Celtics it was DOA because they desperately needed expiring contracts to get out of 2nd apron hell; While Barrett and Quickley have long term deals

but yeah, in the best fantasy world for Portland, it would have been a 3-team trade: Simons-->Celts - Jrue-->Raps - Barrett + 9-->Blazers

Hot take, I think I'm OK with Jrue over RJ and the #9. I don't think RJ is a winning player, like at all. Jrue brings some intangibles, RJ brings another... "are we sure this guy is good" kind of player on an expensive contract. The #9 pick in this draft, maybe it'll be good? The Blazers were also more than willing to trade down from a pick within that very close range of this years draft, so I'm not sure how much they loved this draft in that range...

[Wizenheimer]

Rumor has it the raptors offered 9 and rj for jrue on draft day. But who knows what really happened

the 'rumor' was from Jake Fisher

what he said was it was Barrett + 9 for Derrick White. Then he said Toronto might have got more aggressive and offered it for Jrue....but he was unsure about that. Later, he said it could have been Barrett + Quickley + 9 for White + Jrue. Basically Toronto was likely willing to offer 9 for White, but probably not for Jrue

for the Celtics it was DOA because they desperately needed expiring contracts to get out of 2nd apron hell; While Barrett and Quickley have long term deals

but yeah, in the best fantasy world for Portland, it would have been a 3-team trade: Simons-->Celts - Jrue-->Raps - Barrett + 9-->Blazers

Hot take, I think I'm OK with Jrue over RJ and the #9. I don't think RJ is a winning player, like at all. Jrue brings some intangibles, RJ brings another... "are we sure this guy is good" kind of player on an expensive contract. The #9 pick in this draft, maybe it'll be good? The Blazers were also more than willing to trade down from a pick within that very close range of this years draft, so I'm not sure how much they loved this draft in that range...

still some pretty insistent rumors if Demin had been available at 11....or 9....the Blazers would have gone that direction. But he was taken at #8 so even if it had been a conditional trade the Blazers may have backed out

the appeal of Barrett over Jrue was his 2 year deal instead of Jrue for 3 years; and 5M less a season

but like I said in another thread, I would not be surprised if the Blazer front office is actually liking the thought of Jrue + Dame, and yes + Grant for the next 3 seasons. I know you want Grant gone ASAP, but it's pretty obvious Cronin is valuing quality veteran presence and the Grant of his first 2 seasons in Portland had some quality, especially from three

it also might be that the Blazers have lost confidence in Scoot

[DusterBuster]

the 'rumor' was from Jake Fisher

what he said was it was Barrett + 9 for Derrick White. Then he said Toronto might have got more aggressive and offered it for Jrue....but he was unsure about that. Later, he said it could have been Barrett + Quickley + 9 for White + Jrue. Basically Toronto was likely willing to offer 9 for White, but probably not for Jrue

for the Celtics it was DOA because they desperately needed expiring contracts to get out of 2nd apron hell; While Barrett and Quickley have long term deals

but yeah, in the best fantasy world for Portland, it would have been a 3-team trade: Simons-->Celts - Jrue-->Raps - Barrett + 9-->Blazers

Hot take, I think I'm OK with Jrue over RJ and the #9. I don't think RJ is a winning player, like at all. Jrue brings some intangibles, RJ brings another... "are we sure this guy is good" kind of player on an expensive contract. The #9 pick in this draft, maybe it'll be good? The Blazers were also more than willing to trade down from a pick within that very close range of this years draft, so I'm not sure how much they loved this draft in that range...

still some pretty insistent rumors if Demin had been available at 11....or 9....the Blazers would have gone that direction. But he was taken at #8 so even if it had been a conditional trade the Blazers may have backed out

the appeal of Barrett over Jrue was his 2 year deal instead of Jrue for 3 years; and 5M less a season

but like I said in another thread, I would not be surprised if the Blazer front office is actually liking the thought of Jrue + Dame, and yes + Grant for the next 3 seasons. I know you want Grant gone ASAP, but it's pretty obvious Cronin is valuing quality veteran presence and the Grant of his first 2 seasons in Portland had some quality, especially from three

it also might be that the Blazers have lost confidence in Scoot

Eh, I really don't see it after looking back on it in hindsight. I kind of believe a lot of the talk of Demin and JK was smokescreens.

I also think many here sweat the financials even more than the team does. I truly don't believe the team cares about the extra year of Jrue over shorter and somewhat cheaper deal for Barrett when they consider Jrue to be a bigger net positive for the franchise. Teams will pay that difference if they believe one player is holistically a better fit than the other, which I believe because of Jrue's championship experience and character, is worlds better than Barrett who - while not a bad dude - is just more of the same of what they have (good guys, decent players, but no leadership). So I'm just not about the pearl clutching with salaries anymore the more I watch the NBA. Teams generally can find away to work that stuff out unless they make some TRULY baffling decisions a la Milwaukee and Phoneix. Even Boston was able to maneuver out of tough financial spots. So that whole "appeal" is kind a big fat whatever imo.

When I was hammering to but out Grant, that was pre-Dame and I thought the team was actually finally going to lean into more of a youth movement and just having Jrue as that mentor to Scoot to help usher him into being a starter. And while I still would love to see Grant gone from a roster balance standpoint, I agree with you however on the team actually LIKING having Dame, Jrue and Grant for the next few years as lockerroom leaders.

I also believe there's a real possibility they've completely lost confidence in Scoot being a NBA starting quality player. Hard to say at this moment, he's still extremely young and the team may just be willing to be patient with him. They may also want to see how he grows and matures with such a strong group of leaders around him before making their minds up... probably most likely the latter that they just want to see more.

[DusterBuster]

Some interesting timing on the Scoot angle and if the team has lost confidence... Zach Lowe just released his pod talking about the Dame deal a few minutes ago. He was one of the first to break the story, so he was very connect into this entire thing.

Zach said "Scoot Henderson was clued into what was happening to make sure he was cool with it". That to me doesn't sound like something a team who's lost confidence in a player does. Zach also said Scoot was "super enthusiastic about it and not threatened at all", so it sounds like he loves the idea of playing with and learning from Dame.

Zach continued "one person from the Blazers told me that now Scoot gets to learn from 1) one of the best offensive PG's of all time, 2) of of the best defensive PG's of all time, and 3) a HOF PG as his head coach".

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VyZH7uri5EnQ0UEd3qWkd?si=97d95753165546b8

Some really good past stories from Zach about times he's covered the Blazers and Dame in the pod, good listen.