Trade Deadline-Your hopes and expectations?

[candy for lunch]

Habitual tardiness and being physically restrained after getting into an argument with a teammate definitely sounds like the kind of culture we're breeding here.

[Wizenheimer]

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You can't use per 40 on Shelden because at 12MPG there isn't enough time to get any sort of rhythm. His per 40's last season were in the top 5 when given 18MPG. Frye gets about 18MPG this season so if you wanted to compare apples then we should compare Shelden's previous season to Frye's current season.

I suppose your argument about not having enough minutes to go around at the forward spot is something to look at, but I'm pretty sure Shelden beats Frye in a rebounding battle any day. Oh yeah - he's also pretty good at blocking shots and at 280, he's a tough little ball to handle down low. Think of him as the modern version of Brian Grant...

ok, I'll agree that he'd beat frye in a rebounding battle, although I'm not sure if the gap would be that significant. And I really don't see how a per40 number is valid for 18 minutes a game, but not for 12 minutes a game.

And for sure, comparing 50% FG (frye) to 37% (williams) is a valid comparison...and rather persuasive IMO.

But for the sake of debate, portland makes the trade of frye and sergio for williams. I doubt williams will be playing much center like frye has, but maybe that's not a big issue. But do you really think that williams could spend much time on the floor with Pryzbilla?? I just don't see it. That combo would have no hope of effectively spacing the floor. So if williams couldn't play with pryzbilla, then portland's white unit frontcourt would be williams, outlaw, and jones...is that really any better then what the blazers already have?

and next season, when pryzbilla is the white unit center, where does williams fit? We've seen that Joel and Channing can be marginally effective together because of channing's ability to stretch the defense. And I think frye will fit pretty well with Oden when LMA is in foul trouble or misses a game or 5 like earlier in the season. Williams?...I don't think so.

Making moves to plug holes this season, when the holes may not exist once Oden is playing, may not be wise.

[BlackMamba]

well, the only missing piece of this team is oden, plus, making a trade would be meant to make this team better, and honestly, i don't see who, outside of the obvious man/child, could make this team better.

[BiggieSmalls]

trade darius for brandon bass maybe the mavs are crazy enough! love bass he is a complete animal!

[abuzz]

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ok, I'll agree that he'd beat frye in a rebounding battle, although I'm not sure if the gap would be that significant. And I really don't see how a per40 number is valid for 18 minutes a game, but not for 12 minutes a game.

And for sure, comparing 50% FG (frye) to 37% (williams) is a valid comparison...and rather persuasive IMO.

But for the sake of debate, portland makes the trade of frye and sergio for williams. I doubt williams will be playing much center like frye has, but maybe that's not a big issue. But do you really think that williams could spend much time on the floor with Pryzbilla?? I just don't see it. That combo would have no hope of effectively spacing the floor. So if williams couldn't play with pryzbilla, then portland's white unit frontcourt would be williams, outlaw, and jones...is that really any better then what the blazers already have?

and next season, when pryzbilla is the white unit center, where does williams fit? We've seen that Joel and Channing can be marginally effective together because of channing's ability to stretch the defense. And I think frye will fit pretty well with Oden when LMA is in foul trouble or misses a game or 5 like earlier in the season. Williams?...I don't think so.

Making moves to plug holes this season, when the holes may not exist once Oden is playing, may not be wise.

Very good analysis of the present situation (especially the Pryz/Frye combo on the White team playing separately or together). You also provided enough foresight of the need not to create obvious personnel problems a year down the road.

All the knee jerk trade scenarios when the Blazer's boat is not sinking is the reason most of us are here on this forum and not at the Exec. offices of the Blazer's. The Blazer's plan A took an early turn for the worst early this season but plan B has not turned out too bad either.

The last thing the Blazers need is high priced disgruntled players on the bench unwilling to have a specific role and accept a limited amount of minutes depending on the needs of the team.

[EFx2]

I agree with most about not doing anything until the end of the season. The team has already exceeded expectations and there is no reason to mess up a good thing. The main hole we have with interior play with be fixed once Oden comes back and I see no need for an immediate fix if there is no plans on going deep into the playoffs.

[revprodeji]

You are speaking about S.Williams, but what about Craig smith? I think he would be a very good fit here. In the same way Frye would be a very good fit with the wolves. I wonder if there is something that could be worked out?

[Wizenheimer]

You are speaking about S.Williams, but what about Craig smith? I think he would be a very good fit here. In the same way Frye would be a very good fit with the wolves. I wonder if there is something that could be worked out?

Smith plays 22 minutes a game and grabs 4.9 rebounds. Frye plays 18 minutes a game and grabs 4.6 rebound. Frye is rebounding at a rate a little better then Smith and Frye is a good mid-range shooter...certainly better then Smith.

And of course Smith makes 680,000 while Frye makes 2.4 million.

Minnesota would have to pony up something extra...

how about Frye and Miles for Smith and Antoine Walker ?

[Napoleon7]

Miles & Jack to Miami for Williams expiring contract.

[Wizenheimer]

Miles & Jack to Miami for Williams expiring contract.

that won't happen. Williams has about 1/2 a year left on his contract. Miles has 2 1/2 years. Jack isn't worth 18 million extra in salary to them, and IMO, Jack is worth more to portland then just as bait for dumping Miles.

Furthermore, Miami actually has a chance at some cap-space this summer...maybe 7 or 8 million. Miles would kill that chance for them.

[ss1986v2]

Furthermore, Miami actually has a chance at some cap-space this summer...maybe 7 or 8 million. Miles would kill that chance for them.

only if they can move some of their current contracts (blount, parker, ect) and renounce dorell wright. or only if the cap increases around 6-7 mil this summer (miami is on the books for 54 mil in contracts, not counting wright, with a current cap of 56 mil). shaq and dwade really handcuff their cap chance the next three years with a combined average salary of about 35 mil just between the two.

[Wizenheimer]

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only if they can move some of their current contracts (blount, parker, ect) and renounce dorell wright. or only if the cap increases around 6-7 mil this summer (miami is on the books for 54 mil in contracts, not counting wright, with a current cap of 56 mil). shaq and dwade really handcuff their cap chance the next three years with a combined average salary of about 35 mil just between the two.

assume the cap goes to 58 or 59 million.

If Miami wants cap space, they could cut and renounce the rights to Wright and Johnson. They also may be able to buy-out Parker and perhaps clear half a million in cap-space with that move. That would get them to 52 million. Then they'd have to add cap-holds for 12 roster spots, so yeah, their cap-space would be less then the MLE.

Still, my original point that Miami isn't going to trade williams for miles holds. When they still had Walker, it was a little more conceivable because Miles's contract was only a year longer then Walker's. Even then though, it's unlikely they would have done that.

[Walton'sBeard!]

Jarrett Jack
Channing Frye
Raef LaFrenz
1st Rnd pick

for

Mike Bibby

It clears up room for Rudy and Oden. Adds veteran leadership for a playoff push. Bibby's contract ends in 09 so if the experiment fails you cut him loose and sign someone else. Sacramento may be looking for a full rebuild, this would help them get started.....

On second thought, stand pat.

[Milkdud]

Portland should stand pat but it would be short sighted to not at least humor trades because you never know what might be offered. That being said I personly am starting to sour a little on Sergio. The scouting report on his is clearly out there and causing him to loss alot of his effectiveness. His jumper is flat out painful not only does it rarely go in the mechanics of it are equally as bad. Meanwhile Jack has been playing great off the bench along with the rest of the 2nd unit. IMO Sergio is becoming a very movable commodity.

[Wizenheimer]

Portland should stand pat but it would be short sighted to not at least humor trades because you never know what might be offered. That being said I personly am starting to sour a little on Sergio. The scouting report on his is clearly out there and causing him to loss alot of his effectiveness. His jumper is flat out painful not only does it rarely go in the mechanics of it are equally as bad. Meanwhile Jack has been playing great off the bench along with the rest of the 2nd unit. IMO Sergio is becoming a very movable commodity.

I agree

the problem is if KP trades Sergio and keep Jarret, Mojo's forehead will rupture

[Milkdud]

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I agree

the problem is if KP trades Sergio and keep Jarret, Mojo's forehead will rupture

When the trade happens I'll buy Mojo a hat.

[BlzrsExplosion]

Isn't the least painful move to free up roster space for Fernandez and a draft pick simply cutting our two second rounders from last season? Wouldn't cost much, McRoberts has been getting spanked in the D League (!) and Green is a great guy and all but it's highly questionable if he'll ever be as good as Jack or Sergio. Then with all of our youngest, most promising pieces on the active roster (Koponen's not ready to come over yet right?) we can spend a season evaluating what we need to add (and subtract -- hey, are we really ready to make a call on Sergio yet? Really? 1 and a half seasons? 21 year old gold point guard?) and then go out and get it with our cap space and young trading chips.

[blackbird]

Waaay too earlier to make a trade IMO. Nobody expected this kind of success from this team. We are in the bonus right now. We are learning so much about this team in terms of chemistry and heart. I think those things are telling us more about this team as opposed to the stats per...Who's playing together? Who's sacrificing? What is everyones role? etc.

It was only a couple years ago that we were looking for just that ONE guy to compliment our post play...Now we are discussing our bench as a completely different team to compliment our starters. All I can say is WOW!

[Walton'sBeard!]

Isn't the least painful move to free up roster space for Fernandez and a draft pick simply cutting our two second rounders from last season? Wouldn't cost much, McRoberts has been getting spanked in the D League (!) and Green is a great guy and all but it's highly questionable if he'll ever be as good as Jack or Sergio. Then with all of our youngest, most promising pieces on the active roster (Koponen's not ready to come over yet right?) we can spend a season evaluating what we need to add (and subtract -- hey, are we really ready to make a call on Sergio yet? Really? 1 and a half seasons? 21 year old gold point guard?) and then go out and get it with our cap space and young trading chips.

I agree with you to a point. But there is still a problem. Let's assume Portland does cut Green and uses their first round pick on a Euro who they will wait a year on. So we only add Rudy to the roster. What do we have:
A likely starting five of Blake, Roy, Webster, Aldridge and Oden
And a revamped white unit of Jack, Fernandez, Jones, Outlaw and Przybilla

That would leave Rodriguez and Frye waiting for garbage time, and McRoberts, Miles and LaFrenz inactive. At first glance this seems fine, but I wonder how well the chemistry would fare over a long season. It seems to me that a 2 for 1 or even a 3 for 1 talent upgrade might be in order.

[BlzrsExplosion]

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I agree with you to a point. But there is still a problem. Let's assume Portland does cut Green and uses their first round pick on a Euro who they will wait a year on. So we only add Rudy to the roster. What do we have:
A likely starting five of Blake, Roy, Webster, Aldridge and Oden
And a revamped white unit of Jack, Fernandez, Jones, Outlaw and Przybilla

That would leave Rodriguez and Frye waiting for garbage time, and McRoberts, Miles and LaFrenz inactive. At first glance this seems fine, but I wonder how well the chemistry would fare over a long season. It seems to me that a 2 for 1 or even a 3 for 1 talent upgrade might be in order.

Adding Oden and Fernandez is plenty of a talent upgrade it seems...if there's another way to significantly upgrade the roster I'm all for it but what you seem to be calling for is a bigger shakeup (aka chemistry experiment) than I'm suggesting...I say cut the guys who get zero playing time and let the rookies and developing guys we have questions about play their way in (or out) of the rotation. If we can dangle LaFrentz's expiring plus anyone outside of Oden, Roy and Aldridge for a top flight SF or PG that's great....but who do you really think is going to be available?