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Potential future backcourt partners for Roy

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Post#41 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:56 am

omeloon wrote:Would probably makes sense to make a push for Ford or Calderon. Because Roy can create, Calderon would be a better fit but I think his value is a lot higher than Ford's right now. WOuld you guys give up Jack and Webster for either?? might work out nicely for both sides since Toronto can't have two starting PG's.


jack and webster for calderon?...probably yes

for TJ Ford?...Before this latest injury yes, after Probably no. That spinal cord issue is simply too big a concern
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Post#42 » by omeloon » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:02 am

Yeah, that's what I figured. Toronto would probably be scared to deal Calderon away too, but at least Jack and Webster would help give Toronto a strong and young bench. Doubt Toronto would deal Calderon, but if Bryan has enough confidence in Ford, it wouldnt be the worst trade. Certainly not the best either.
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Post#43 » by Pinot love » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:00 am

omeloon wrote:Would probably makes sense to make a push for Ford or Calderon. Because Roy can create, Calderon would be a better fit but I think his value is a lot higher than Ford's right now. WOuld you guys give up Jack and Webster for either?? might work out nicely for both sides since Toronto can't have two starting PG's.


It would literally take Oden or Aldridge to get Calderon. They love him as they should. Yes of course they'd be willing to give more than Jose for Oden. To seriously consider Calderon at this time we'd be talking Aldridge and Webster/Outlaw/Sergio/Rudy.
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Post#44 » by salaner » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:32 am

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Post#45 » by DeezXXnutZ » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:48 am

My top 3....

1. Chris Paul
2. Mike Conley Jr.
3. Ben Gordon
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Post#46 » by Pinot love » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:50 am

salaner wrote:Calder
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Post#47 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:47 pm

Pinot love wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Calderon has been a more efficient player and solid leader at every level. They aren't and never have been on the same plane. Sergio is the "could be" guy and Calderon is the "is the man". Jose may have only convinced the critics you were paying attention to. He had me convinced last year. I understand a perception of "Sergio has the potential to be as good Jose" because he is five years younger, but the fact is Calderon has played at and is playing a levels higher than Sergio. First off Sergio needs to shoot better and learn to finish. It's obvious by observation that Calderon has the more pure shot. At this point it's not Sergio who is needing to close the gap between he and Calderon, it's many of the leagues starting PGs.


Calderon is good...on one side of the floor. His defense is atrocious. Blake is better at defense then calderon, and so is jack. Even on the homeristic Toronto board...and still sometimes...there were/are plenty of complaints about Calderon's defense.

Toronto may think he's worth Aldridge and Outlaw, and for them at this point in time, it's understandable they would consider him nearly untouchable. But he does have some major defensive flaws and that can't be overlooked.
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Post#48 » by Pinot love » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:55 pm

Like most things the Raptors fans we see the most of tend to overrate things. I noticed in the Blazer game we weren't exactly exploiting any defensive weakness of Jose. He played the lanes well and was effective.

He's to big to be posted up by most any PG and quick enough to stay with them. At a lanky 6'3" he's tough to shoot over. His defensive metrics show him to be as good a defender, or better, than Ford. Most importantly he's smart, he anticipates and is a solid leader.

At worst Calderon is an average defender at PG. I believe he's better than that.
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Post#49 » by salaner » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:03 pm

Pinot love wrote:They aren't and never have been on the same plane.

You never saw Calder
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Post#50 » by Pinot love » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:22 pm

salaner wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


You never saw Calder
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Post#51 » by salaner » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:20 pm

Pinot love wrote: guarantee you he was a better shooter. Shooting and finishing are massive weaknesses of Sergio.

Sorry to contradict you. Why do you think Calder
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Post#52 » by salaner » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:37 pm

By the way - speaking of videos - this is the Sergio Rodr
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Post#53 » by UGotThrilled » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:38 pm

Considering that Roy is a ball handler and will create for his teammates, I think we need somebody who can knock down the three, plays solid defense, can handle the ball, and doesnt have a big ego. Somebody like Steve Blake. Do you guys know any players that we can get who are like Steve Blake? Wait, Steve Blake is, and we have him. Is he too old? He is shooting amazing from outside, which is perfect to complement Roy's game. I think we should stick with him for the next 5 or 6 years, and then worry about it.
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Post#54 » by waverider » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:40 pm

I'd love to get Barbosa from Phoenix, they could use a defensive C, would you trade Pryz and maybe have to add one of Jack/Sergio/Webs/TO/Blake for Barbosa and whatever filler necessary?
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Post#55 » by mojomarc » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:17 am

Roy is a ball handler, but Roy shouldn't be the guy to break presses or run the fast break.

Actually, I take that back--Roy is our ball handler now because our other potential ball-handlers are generally not very good at the job. This does not mean that there won't be a situation in the near future where we might want to take that ball out of Roy's hands and give it to a real ball-handler and let them draw the double teams while Roy uses his great off-ball movement to get an open look near the rim. I believe that day comes when Oden steps foot on the court, because then you'll want as many players as you can find who can penetrate and dish to get the high percentage shots, and there has rarely been an offensive weapon as high percentage as the biggest guy on the court when he has super soft hands and the ability to leap out of the building.
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Post#56 » by Pinot love » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:16 pm

salaner wrote:Sorry to contradict you. Why do you think Calder
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Post#57 » by Telfaire » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:07 pm

What do you think about Darren Collison?
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Post#58 » by Nolan » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:21 pm

What about Daniel Gibson from the Cavs? He's a great shooter with good speed and decent handles.
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Post#59 » by Telfaire » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:27 pm

The Cavs would proboally keep Gibson...and he's a bit too one dimensional...backup material.
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Post#60 » by glide22 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:06 am

sergio's game on the road against atlanta made me take reconsider his ceiling. if that becomes the norm for him, we'll be looking pretty good.

also just want to plug blake and jack. they might not be our long-term solution, but both bring something to the table. i'm in no rush to see either go.

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