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Post#21 » by borgradr » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:16 am

Wizenheimer wrote:Who is your target with the cap-space? Identify them and then we can examine if sacrificing Joel Pryzbilla now, for that other player 2 years from now is worth it.


Its hard to answer this question because a lot can change in a year and a half. Caron Butler probably wouldn't have been worth max money a year and a half ago but now is arguably on a quite reasonable contract at $9 million per. What if Marvin Williams were to blow up and decide he wants to come back out west and play on a great team in his old neck of the woods?

Another thing, cap space in 2009 could also be cap space in 2010, the idea of having financial flexibility and a really good, well-tuned core seems pretty darned appealing to me. If Pritchard thinks its a good idea, I'm inclined to believe him (I've yet to hear him lie to the media).

In the end I don't think Joel's impact on the team, especially with Oden coming in, is enough to warrant keeping him. I appreciate what he brings but his game is just too limited.
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Post#22 » by Wizenheimer » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:11 pm

borgradr wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Its hard to answer this question because a lot can change in a year and a half. Caron Butler probably wouldn't have been worth max money a year and a half ago but now is arguably on a quite reasonable contract at $9 million per. What if Marvin Williams were to blow up and decide he wants to come back out west and play on a great team in his old neck of the woods?

Another thing, cap space in 2009 could also be cap space in 2010, the idea of having financial flexibility and a really good, well-tuned core seems pretty darned appealing to me. If Pritchard thinks its a good idea, I'm inclined to believe him (I've yet to hear him lie to the media).

In the end I don't think Joel's impact on the team, especially with Oden coming in, is enough to warrant keeping him. I appreciate what he brings but his game is just too limited.


about Pryzbilla: what he gives the blazers is a big man option. Considering the contracts of other big men in the league, Joel's is not over-sized. He's also rebounding at the 7th best rate in the NBA. And until we actually see how Oden performs, it would be prudent to keep Joel. If's he's a necessary component in a trade that makes portland unquestionably better, so be it.

about cap space in 2010: NO. Portland won't play the game with Roy and Aldridge that Chicago is playing with Deng and Gordon. The Blazers will lock their core up long-term as soon as they can, and for roy and aldridge, that's the summer of 2009. That will effectively eliminate cap-space as a team building option for a long time. Not only roy and aldridge, but outlaw and blake may need new contracts in 2010 as well.

Finally, specific free agents: the biggest thing I despise about the cap-space plan is it's speculative nature. I understand about risk/reward, but the list of players whose contracts definitely end in 2009 isn't long or impressive. The list expands when you add in the players that have ETO's and player options in 08/09 & 09/10, but there's no certainty or guarantee that any of those players will be available, or is so, actually interested in portland. So I think there's a real chance that portland could make moves this summer strictly of a salary dump nature, and end up competing with several other teams having more cap-space then portland, in a FA market having a limited group of free agents.

The fly in the cap-space ointment, has been, and will remain, Darius Miles.
I think portland's FO was probably hoping for a medical retirement, but that appears out of the question now. And trading Miles for an expiring will be extremely difficult. About the best portland could hope for would be to get 3-5 million of his contract off the books in a smaller retiring contract. But that will require a package that would likely include players like jack, webster, and frye plus a draft pick or 2. That's a steep price for speculation.
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Post#23 » by BlackMamba » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:44 pm

don't misunderstand my words, but i think that joel is a cornerstone of this team.

he might not be the reference or the player that will score the winning bucket, but he will do everything needed so that the team can have the best outcome.

i really hope he stays in a blazers uniform until he retires.
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Post#24 » by see4miles » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:25 pm

Can all the 2009 future seers tell me if they can see a first year center with long running injury problems playing a long season for the first time ever getting eeven a littl injured? Can they see him getting tired , particularly in the latter half of the season? Can they see him fouling out due to inexperience and crafty veteran opponents?

Hmm... can they see a need for a backup center for practice so he doesn't have to practise against Nedzad and can learn from a real genuine opponent?

I very much doubt you can see even one of those things happening.
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Post#25 » by Napoleon7 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:50 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:I think he's an elite defensive player and a good rebounder and am glad he's on the team. I'd only trade him if the team is sure they can find a better value to be the third or fourth big man on the team.

Also, if the time comes to make hard choices I'd probably keep him for under $7 million per year, expiring in 2010, rather than keep Webster at that price for many more years.



I agree........

I will add that considerations for trading Joel should not be entertained, if at all, until next years mid-season trading dealine.
We need to see how Oden comes back and how Joel will compliment him first.
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Post#26 » by Goldbum » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:09 am

People keep bringing up the fact that Joel is 7th in rebounding rate. The problem is that he doesn't do enough other things to justify more minutes on the court. Like I said above he's an above average center who makes an impact on the defensive side of the court. If I was just starting an expantion team I would rather have a Pryzbilla over a guy like Webster at the same price, however If I was KP and my team was the 08-09 Trailblazers I would take Martell.
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Post#27 » by Goldbum » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:11 am

Double post :oops: Sorry :roll:
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Post#28 » by mojomarc » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:28 am

I disagree, Goldbum, about Joel not doing enough other things besides rebounding. His defensive presence alone is enough to justify his being on a good team, even without his rebounding. The guy turns us into a decent defensive team simply by being on the court. Just think of the difference this year with Joel healthy compared to last year where Zach or Magloire had those minutes, and even if it is difficult to measure I think you'll find it impossile to ignore what a massive difference he makes while he's in there. He is essentially Portland's version of Mark Eaton.
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Post#29 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:34 am

mojomarc wrote:I disagree, Goldbum, about Joel not doing enough other things besides rebounding. His defensive presence alone is enough to justify his being on a good team, even without his rebounding. The guy turns us into a decent defensive team simply by being on the court. Just think of the difference this year with Joel healthy compared to last year where Zach or Magloire had those minutes, and even if it is difficult to measure I think you'll find it impossile to ignore what a massive difference he makes while he's in there. He is essentially Portland's version of Mark Eaton.


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Post#30 » by Goldbum » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:44 am

mojomarc wrote:I disagree, Goldbum, about Joel not doing enough other things besides rebounding. His defensive presence alone is enough to justify his being on a good team, even without his rebounding. The guy turns us into a decent defensive team simply by being on the court. Just think of the difference this year with Joel healthy compared to last year where Zach or Magloire had those minutes, and even if it is difficult to measure I think you'll find it impossile to ignore what a massive difference he makes while he's in there. He is essentially Portland's version of Mark Eaton.


I actually think we are saying the same thing here. I agree with you on what Joel brings to the team. I just think if he was better on offense that he could play more minutes and contribute more to the overall team D as well. His impact is huge on that side of the court it's just a shame that he can't contribute enough on O to make our team better.
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Post#31 » by mojomarc » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:48 am

Wizenheimer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



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More accurately to my point, the most effective completely one-dimensional center in NBA history :D
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Post#32 » by mojomarc » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:50 am

Goldbum wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I actually think we are saying the same thing here. I agree with you on what Joel brings to the team. I just think if he was better on offense that he could play more minutes and contribute more to the overall team D as well. His impact is huge on that side of the court it's just a shame that he can't contribute enough on O to make our team better.


The funny thing is that if he could contribute even a little more on offense there would have been no way we could have afforded him. He would be earning $9m this season or thereabouts.
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Post#33 » by Tim Lehrbach » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:13 am

Heh, I remember when he put up several double-doubles in 2005, and Bulls fans were telling us how they'd give him $10 million a year and there was nothing we could do about it.

Oops.

Of course, they ended up giving even more than that to Ben Wallace, who isn't even as good as Przybilla anymore.
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