The Main Reason that we should keep Webster..

swede · Post #1 » by **swede** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:54 am

The continuous improved play of Travis Outlaw. Martell is leagues ahead of Travis at similar stages of development, as he should be, and has the prototypical body/skill set we want in the future at the 3. I don't see how people can just toss him in trades to get the likes of Devin Harris (blatant Harris hate) he is going to start hitting his stride right when the we need him to.. and if we can retain him for several years before he blows up we would have an invaluable role player for the future.

Post #2 » by **mojomarc** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:01 am

swede wrote:The continuous improved play of Travis Outlaw. Martell is leagues ahead of Travis at similar stages of development, as he should be, and has the prototypical body/skill set we want in the future at the 3. I don't see how people can just toss him in trades to get the likes of Devin Harris (blatant Harris hate) he is going to start hitting his stride right when the we need him to.. and if we can retain him for several years before he blows up we would have an invaluable role player for the future.

+1. I know Harris is a pretty good young PG, but we're talking about him like he's the second coming of Basketball Jesus. Look ahead 3-4 years, and ask yourself if you'd want to trade a Glenn Rice clone for the 10th best PG in the league. Yeah--didn't think so.

Fitz303 · Post #3 » by **Fitz303** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:02 am

Devin Harris is legit. I wouldnt think twice to give up Webster for a player like Harris. If you havent watched him much, Im sure you wouldnt be too high on him seeing as though he doesnt get all that much hype around the league, but the kid is damn good.

Webster has potential, but at some point someone is going to get squeezed in the minutes in the front court, and potential needs to eventually be consolidated for talent. This would be an ideal situation to do that, but unfortunately I just dont see any way that Dallas trades Harris to us

Fitz303 · Post #4 » by **Fitz303** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:07 am

I know this is only highlghts but at least it shows you some of the offensive skills the guy has.. Thats not even going into his defense. Ive been a big fan of Harris and Howard for a while and I would be ecstatic if we got either of them (obviously Howards going nowhere)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwFzC4-IFPE

Post #5 » by **mojomarc** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:09 am

Fitz303 wrote:Devin Harris is legit. I wouldnt think twice to give up Webster for a player like Harris. If you havent watched him much, Im sure you wouldnt be too high on him seeing as though he doesnt get all that much hype around the league, but the kid is damn good.

He's not that good, though. He's going to be, at best, the third best PG in the West and maybe as good as the 7th or 8th best in the NBA. Sorry, Fitz, but 7th or 8th best PGs seem to come out every year in the draft.

Webster has potential, but at some point someone is going to get squeezed in the minutes in the front court, and potential needs to eventually be consolidated for talent. This would be an ideal situation to do that, but unfortunately I just dont see any way that Dallas trades Harris to us

If Webster's curve matches Outlaw, and he's far ahead of it now, he won't get squeezed for minutes unless you count "only" playing 30 minutes per game a squeeze.

ppp000 · Post #6 » by **ppp000** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:18 am

Fitz303 wrote:I know this is only highlghts but at least it shows you some of the offensive skills the guy has.. Thats not even going into his defense. Ive been a big fan of Harris and Howard for a while and I would be ecstatic if we got either of them (obviously Howards going nowhere)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwFzC4-IFPE

A lot of those highlights are from the 06 playoff series against the Spurs where Harris was a HUGE key in why the Mavs won that series. That's why I dont see him going anywhere. Plus the fact that's he gotten better this year before his ankle bruise. Harris may never be a top PG, especially in the West, but he's an invaluable piece for the mavs in terms of bringing a different style into the Offense. And is a good defender. Every team values some of their players more than other teams would probably.

sabi · Post #7 » by **sabi** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:07 am

I've always supported Webster and think he will be very good in the future

PDXKnight · Post #8 » by **PDXKnight** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:37 am

Martell webster WILL be good and he can be had for fairly cheap this offseason so there's no reason not to keep him. He's perfect for this team and definitely fits with our future.

blackbird · Post #9 » by **blackbird** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:59 am

Any trade Web talk is the exact same rhetoric that was used on Outlaw last season. I am waaaaay too lazy to drum up old threads or post but I feel like we have had this discussion before. Websters game has greatly improved over last year. If what he has shown this year is an example of his full potential then yeah trade him. If not, keep him, he fits. He is starting to play defense, rebound and is no longer completely glued in the corner.

Ripcity4life · Post #10 » by **Ripcity4life** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:26 pm

I love Webster too BUT i think he should be traded but ONLY if in the RIGHT deal. I am not saying let's trade him for anyone we can like when we talk about Miles and others in the past. He has very good value but i am just not sold on him as being a Cog in the eventual Championship Run this team with have soon.

BigOrangeBalls · Post #11 » by **BigOrangeBalls** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 2:51 am

Giving up on Webster now will be like giving up on Jermaine O'neal after only 3 years...

Ripcity4life · Post #12 » by **Ripcity4life** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:18 am

I am SO SO SO Sick of hearing the comparison of Jermaine. This is a LAZY posters excuse for a reason not to give up on Webster. When a Poster cannot think of a legit reason to keep Webster the Only Argument you have is JO is BS or LAZY your choose the word.

swede · Post #13 » by **swede** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:40 am

Or we are scared of seeing Martell go somewhere with the majority of the shots and absolutely blow up.

Post #14 » by **Mr Odd** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:01 am

If I had to pick a starter between Harris
and Webster in 4 years I will pick Harris.

Thats not to say I dont like Webster or that I dont
think he will become better. I just think Harris will
be better down the line, thats my gut feeling, the
same feeling as when I said Outlaw will become a
good player when lots wanted to give up on him.. .

I would be nice to see Webster more aggressive!!
I do think Webster has jumped tons forward in his
man to man defense, & its pretty consistent too.. .

Fitz303 · Post #15 » by **Fitz303** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:02 am

swede wrote:Or we are scared of seeing Martell go somewhere with the majority of the shots and absolutely blow up.

But do you honestly think we would regret it if we were getting back another young talent like Harris. Its not like we're trading him for an aging Dale Davis. Harris is 24 years old and right now is far better than Martell. Maybe Webster becomes the better player. Maybe Outlaw breaks out even further, while playing the whole game with starting unit as opposed to just the 4th quarters, and we forget about Martell completely. Who knows. I'll trust KP with whatever he does, but I sure hope he doesnt move the more athletic, longer, and more versatile guy (not a slight on Webster, whom I really do like, just think Outlaws a better choice)

Post #16 » by **Mr Odd** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:03 am

If I had to pick a starter between Harris
and Webster in 4 years I will pick Harris.

Thats not to say I dont like Webster or that I dont
think he will become better. I just think Harris will
be better down the line, thats my gut feeling, the
same feeling as when I said Outlaw will become a
good player when lots wanted to give up on him.. .

I would be nice to see Webster more aggressive!!
I do think Webster has jumped tons forward in his
man to man defense, & its pretty consistent too.. .

Butter · Post #17 » by **Butter** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:12 am

Mr Odd wrote:If I had to pick a starter between Harris
and Webster in 4 years I will pick Harris.

Thats not to say I dont like Webster or that I dont
think he will become better. I just think Harris will
be better down the line, thats my gut feeling, the
same feeling as when I said Outlaw will become a
good player when lots wanted to give up on him.. .

I would be nice to see Webster more aggressive!!
I do think Webster has jumped tons forward in his
man to man defense, & its pretty consistent too.. .

I think the problem though is that Webster suffers from the depth of this team. Webster is almost never in at the end of games, much like Joel. Maybe that means their not as talented, but if thats the case, maybe they are expendable. If not, then Martell needs to be more involved, like your saying.

Post #18 » by **Mr Odd** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 5:39 am

Butter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think the problem though is that Webster suffers from the depth of this team. Webster is almost never in at the end of games, much like Joel. Maybe that means their not as talented, but if thats the case, maybe they are expendable. If not, then Martell needs to be more involved, like your saying.

Right, especially now since Nate has finally
let up & let the players play. Webster needs
to take advantage and involve himself more.
Its up to him on the offensive end, hes not
doing to bad at moving without the ball but
thats only going to work if his teammates
know he'll be aggressive once he gets the
pass/ball. If I were the coach I would drill
into Websters head that players from around
the league know that hes a outside shooter,
so start using that to his advantage, pumpfake
& step in for a jumper or take it to the hoop,
see if he cant get a foul or find a open guy.. .
All I know is he needs to be aggressive!!