martell webster?

BigRook · Post #1 » by **BigRook** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:49 pm

hey, im a toronto raptors fan, and if any of you have ever watched us play, you probably realize we are in need of a young, promising swingman. I have watched many of your games, and the big quesion mark i have is with Martell Webster. It seems to me that he has a ton of potential, but he doenst know how to use it. What are your thoughts on him? how high is his ceiling? what would it take to aquire him?

Telfaire · Post #2 » by **Telfaire** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:51 pm

I think that Webster could play a lot better for the Raprtors, and the price would have to be Calderon, no less.

SinceClyde · Post #3 » by **SinceClyde** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:59 pm

I think he would be great for the raptors, and I was going to write that kp would probably take less than calderon, but now that I look at the raptors roster, theres not really anything with closer value? Bargnani? Know you guys probably wouldn't do that. Moon? Good piece but not near as high a ceiling as webster (webster is 22, moon is what like 28 almost). Only way to make a fair value trade with Toronto without giving up a guy like Calderon is taking back a bad contract like miles for nesterovic.

c-mac 4.35 · Post #4 » by **c-mac 4.35** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:01 pm

He'd be a good fit in Toronto but i would miss him andd never get to see him! LOL, I think he's be a good fit there though. I also say cald for him.

Post #5 » by **BlackMamba** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:05 pm

i'd do martell for clader

breaker91 · Post #6 » by **breaker91** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:07 pm

Webster has a pretty good ceiling. His biggest barrier right now is mental. The Blazers brought in a pyschologist to work with him on this front. As such he seems to play his best when he is in situations where he doesn't have to over think or anticipate what he'll do if he gets the ball.

The best way to get him into an offensive flow is to get him some easy buckets in transition or have catch and shoot while running off of screens. These are two things that don't happen much in the Blazers offense.

I don't think his value is Calderon, but a deal involving TJ Ford and one of our PGs (most likely Blake) would make some sense.

Post #7 » by **Spykes** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm

Martell has a very high ceiling. He's the only other player to score 24 points in a single quarter this season besides LeBron iirc.

The main thing holding him back right now is likely just his youth. He'd only be a Junior in college right now had he not gone straight to the Pros. Martell has definitely made some nice progressions.

As for what it would take to get him to Toronto, it would have to be Calderon. There really isn't much else on the Raptors that would entice the Blazers. Portland would obviously have to give up more on top of Webster to get a S&T'd Calderon this summer, but anything outside of Roy, Aldridge and Oden would be fair game for Jose imo.

Telfaire · Post #8 » by **Telfaire** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:35 pm

I wouldn't give both Outlaw and Webster for Calderon, that would be foolish.

Post #9 » by **magee** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:39 pm

I'd deal Martell for Jamario "Red Bull" Moon in a heartbeat.

taufblazers33 · Post #10 » by **taufblazers33** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:09 pm

martell is starting to get on my nerves. i expect him to breakout any second now and then he disappoints.

he got all of us soo excited during the preseason because he was amazing. also, he had a good first few games, and then he came back down to earth and disappointed the blazer fans

Wizenheimer · Post #11 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:11 pm

Spykes wrote:Martell has a very high ceiling. He's the only other player to score 24 points in a single quarter this season besides LeBron iirc.

The main thing holding him back right now is likely just his youth. He'd only be a Junior in college right now had he not gone straight to the Pros. Martell has definitely made some nice progressions.

As for what it would take to get him to Toronto, it would have to be Calderon. There really isn't much else on the Raptors that would entice the Blazers. Portland would obviously have to give up more on top of Webster to get a S&T'd Calderon this summer, but anything outside of Roy, Aldridge and Oden would be fair game for Jose imo.

setting aside the unlikely event that Toronto would trade Calderon...

the problem with a sign & trade is that Calderon would become BYC. It would have to be a trade with over 30 million in salaries traded in order to absorb the BYC offset.

Toronto might be willing to trade TJ Ford, but would the blazers be interested?

Webster, Jack, Lafrentz, rights to kaponen, and 2009 1st round pick

for Ford and Nesterovic?

Telfaire · Post #12 » by **Telfaire** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:37 pm

I like Ford, but I think that's overpaying for a PG who's injury prone and doesn't really fit the bill of what we are looking for in a backcourt mate for Roy.

Post #13 » by **Spykes** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:37 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:Webster, Jack, Lafrentz, rights to kaponen, and 2009 1st round pick

for Ford and Nesterovic?

Ford simply isn't worth that giving up that much for. If Ford didn't have the health concerns, then he would be worth that much. As it is right now, no way. He is 1 wrong hit away from retirement and he's not even in his 30's yet.

Post #14 » by **Billy** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:39 pm

I believe Ford has also had a neck stinger previous to his latest injury that caused him to miss a couple games. Obviously stingers are rare and dangerous, but if I recall right the play was rather routine and would not have resulted in a stinger in most cases.

Ford has proven to be a great talent, but way too much of a risk. I wonder if his contract is even insured?

Wizenheimer · Post #15 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:07 pm

Spykes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ford simply isn't worth that giving up that much for. If Ford didn't have the health concerns, then he would be worth that much. As it is right now, no way. He is 1 wrong hit away from retirement and he's not even in his 30's yet.

I tend to agree with that. But the only PG portland has a chance at getting from Toronto is Ford.

The Raps won't be getting many offers for him though, so he may be had cheaper then what I proposed.

Larentz, Jack, Kaponen, and 2009 first for Ford and Garbajosa?

would Toronto do that?....probably not but they would get a 1st round, jack, a euro-prospect and cap relief from Ford's contract.

would portland do it?...ford's health issue + impact on the cap-space plan.

Wizenheimer · Post #16 » by **Wizenheimer** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:13 pm

Billy wrote:I believe Ford has also had a neck stinger previous to his latest injury that caused him to miss a couple games. Obviously stingers are rare and dangerous, but if I recall right the play was rather routine and would not have resulted in a stinger in most cases.

Ford has proven to be a great talent, but way too much of a risk. I wonder if his contract is even insured?

ford has a injury risk for sure, but that 'hit' by horford would have probably injured a lot of the smaller players in the league. It was accidental I believe, but Ford got his head snapped back suddenly and awkwardly. It wasn't cringe-worthy like Joe Theisman or Shaun Livingston, but it was scary.

Post #17 » by **Spykes** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:59 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:ford has a injury risk for sure, but that 'hit' by horford would have probably injured a lot of the smaller players in the league. It was accidental I believe, but Ford got his head snapped back suddenly and awkwardly. It wasn't cringe-worthy like Joe Theisman or Shaun Livingston, but it was scary.

Most players certainly would have had a sore neck in the morning after the hit by Horford, but only someone with Ford's condition would of had to been taken off the court in a stretcher and need months of rehab afterwards.

BigRook · Post #18 » by **BigRook** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 1:25 am

thanks for your input, and my suspicions were confirmed: judging my most of your replies, the only way for the Raps to obtain Webster is through some sort of a trade involving Calderon, and that is just out of the question in regards to Fords recent list of injuires. :banghead:

PDXKnight · Post #19 » by **PDXKnight** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 6:58 am

BigRook wrote:thanks for your input, and my suspicions were confirmed: judging my most of your replies, the only way for the Raps to obtain Webster is through some sort of a trade involving Calderon, and that is just out of the question in regards to Fords recent list of injuires.

Yeah, that's about the only deal that would work. I think Portland could add something to sweeten the deal but that said, I can't see the Raptors trading him for anything that doesn't include Outlaw and another young player which doesn't make sense for the Blazers IMO.

borgradr · Post #20 » by **borgradr** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 7:45 pm

I could see something built around Webster, Jack and Przybilla for Ford and Garbojosa. Gets the Blazers Ford without giving up too much and consolidates talent. All three players could serve useful roles in Toronto.

With Blake as a solid and capable backup, Ford's injury concerns become coverable. Garbo, while a question mark, could end up becoming a useful player on the Blazers. Plus, by unloading Martell and Jack, who will both need to be extended in 2009, they maintain the ability to add a key piece if needed.

Ford/Blake/Rodriguez
Roy/Fernandez
Outlaw/2008 first rounder
Aldridge/Garbajosa
Oden/Frye