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Sergio, Minutes, and Rudy

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Post#21 » by Yadadimean » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:57 pm

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I couldn't disagree more. Rudy isn't a college player where you draft him and it is automatic he will come, but a professional player getting paid more to play than we can offer him. We are asking him to both take a pay cut and to come to a foreign culture on top of that. Then, to add to the risk factor, you have one of his better friends sitting on our bench getting strangled by Nate. If he weren't worried about this, I would consider him mentally imbalanced. He is simply being forthright in evaluating the risks involved in the situation, and saying that by doing so he is exhibiting (potentially) a "piss poor" attitude is pretty darned callous if not arrogant. It's not like he ever has to come here, and treating this like he not only has an obligation to come but on top of it also has an obligation to keep his concerns about it to himself for fear of not fitting in is extreme.


If he as as proven as everyone says (I'm not saying they're wrong) then he shouldn't be worried about minutes simply because Sergio doesn't get many. If he is as good as advertised, I would think it should be Jack who is worried about minutes if anybody. PT should be the least of his concerns.
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Post#22 » by mojomarc » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:24 pm

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If he as as proven as everyone says (I'm not saying they're wrong) then he shouldn't be worried about minutes simply because Sergio doesn't get many. If he is as good as advertised, I would think it should be Jack who is worried about minutes if anybody. PT should be the least of his concerns.


Once again, I disagree. Why in the world would an athlete look to sign a contract to play in a foreign country for less money than what he can get playing in Spain and do so for less playing time as well? That's a three-strikes position. And it doesn't matter if he is "as good as advertised," because Nate has a tendency to play players based on some weird favoritism that seems to change daily rather than based on actual on-court performance. That's what he's worried about--if is is as good as advertised that he could still rot on the bench because Jarrett Jack has photos of Nate in a compromising position, and to say that it is not legitimate to worry about that when you are also telling him he must take a pay cut and he must leave the comforts of his native culture...? Once again, I'm left with callous and arrogant as the only adjectives that come to mind.
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Post#23 » by SinceClyde » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:13 pm

ph1sh55 wrote:shirley this could have been posted in the existing topic. And no I will not stop calling you shirley!


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Post#24 » by charrua » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:24 pm

I would say that Rudy may be worried not just by the lack of Sergio PT, but by the front office refusal to trade him. He's not dumb; he plays the same position as Roy and will have to take a pay cut to play in Portland (at least during his rookie contract). If he doesn't becomes a regular rotation player, he would be making a terrible career move. In that context, only a fool wouldn't have some doubts. Portland could do some things to ease that doubts: make clear that the team will create a rotation spot for him for example, or trade Sergio to a team that actually used him (to show that, even if Portland didn't had a spot for him, it made sense for him to come) or something. But Rudy's doubts are perfectly natural and were in fact completely predictable from the start of the season.
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Post#25 » by sabi » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:29 pm

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Post#26 » by Khazim » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:31 pm

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Once again, I disagree. Why in the world would an athlete look to sign a contract to play in a foreign country for less money than what he can get playing in Spain and do so for less playing time as well? That's a three-strikes position. And it doesn't matter if he is "as good as advertised," because Nate has a tendency to play players based on some weird favoritism that seems to change daily rather than based on actual on-court performance. That's what he's worried about--if is is as good as advertised that he could still rot on the bench because Jarrett Jack has photos of Nate in a compromising position, and to say that it is not legitimate to worry about that when you are also telling him he must take a pay cut and he must leave the comforts of his native culture...? Once again, I'm left with callous and arrogant as the only adjectives that come to mind.
No one is forcing him to come over. And the reason he would take less money, less playing time, and less stardom, is because it's the freaking NBA. If he doesn't care about the fact that he doesn't play in the basketball league with the most challenge, and most recognition around the world, then he shouldn't have entered his name into the draft. If he wanted to get drafted to leverage it against Euro teams for more pay, than he is a very smart, very shrewd bastard. If he really wanted to play in the NBA then he needs to realize that he might have to accept less money, less playing time, and less stardom just like every other player who has come over from Europe.
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Post#27 » by Yadadimean » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:31 pm

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Once again, I disagree. Why in the world would an athlete look to sign a contract to play in a foreign country for less money than what he can get playing in Spain and do so for less playing time as well? That's a three-strikes position. And it doesn't matter if he is "as good as advertised," because Nate has a tendency to play players based on some weird favoritism that seems to change daily rather than based on actual on-court performance. That's what he's worried about--if is is as good as advertised that he could still rot on the bench because Jarrett Jack has photos of Nate in a compromising position, and to say that it is not legitimate to worry about that when you are also telling him he must take a pay cut and he must leave the comforts of his native culture...? Once again, I'm left with callous and arrogant as the only adjectives that come to mind.


Well the idea that Nate plays favorites is a matter of subjective perception. I agree his rotations do seem questionable at times, but as a professional coach I'm sure there is at least some type of logic behind what he does. And I never said he should want to come here, take a reduced role in a new country for less money absolutely. All I said was that if he comes over with the same sense of entitlement that I took away from his comments (whether I'm right or wrong about the sense of entitlement) then we don't need that type of attitude on the team. I seriously doubt that the "best player in Europe" would have a hard time finding 20+ minutes in the rotation, especially when you consider that the main piece in his way at the 2 who would keep him from getting PT can and often does slide over to the 1. If Roy can slide over to the pg for Jack, then he should definitely be able to slide over for a top player like Rudy. Plus it seems like the adjustment curve would be lessened by Sergio being here to help him along the way. I can understand having doubts about making such a drastic change in your lifestyle. Nothing wrong with that, and I'm sure he'll get his fair shake if he comes over, but if he proves undeserving of PT thats not Nate's fault.
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Post#28 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:04 am

I rarely go to the BlazersEdge site, there's only so much time in a day.

But Dave, the big cheese at the site has an excellent blog about the Nate-Sergio-Jack issue.

It is definitely worth the read:

http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2008/3/18/25713/5994#commenttop
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Post#29 » by mojomarc » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:54 am

Wizenheimer wrote:I rarely go to the BlazersEdge site, there's only so much time in a day.

But Dave, the big cheese at the site has an excellent blog about the Nate-Sergio-Jack issue.

It is definitely worth the read:

http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2008/3/18/25713/5994#commenttop


I have to agree--it's not racism that prevents Nate from playing Sergio more in place of Jack. It's clearly the blackmail angle :D

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