Rudy Fernandez is scared to go to nba (portland)

[Fitz303]

If you want to talk about Blake not being in there, thats a different story thats actually debatable (although I still say we need someone who takes it to the basket), but Sergio should not even be in the conversation

Curious since none of them were lauded and they are all compared against each other. Sergio was not singled out at all.

What Im saying is that your statement that Jack is the least efficient of the 3 is a false statement. Sergio is that player

[TBpup]

I believe I was the one who used the term 'bash' on the first page of this thread. I was younger then.

Wizenheimer....that is just damned funny.

[mojomarc]

-= original quote snipped =-


We will see what his abilities are if he is confident enough to test them in the big league.

As we know, it's not that easy. Players play for coaches who dictate who plays and the style that is played. Rudy's expression of concern is nothing more or less than the expressions of concern that committed players at the college level have when coaches leave for other jobs, and the NCAA recognizes it as a reasonable enough concern that they have one of the very few exceptions to the commitment without sacrificing eligibility.

The suggestion was that this is "lack of confidence in ability" is simply silly. I'm perfectly confident in my professional abilities, but that hardly means that I would accept any job offer that came across my desk without investigating how accepting that job might affect my professional future. My concern about this hardly makes me a bad employee, which is where this argument started in Rudy's case. He is looking at a situation where he is being asked to take a big risk both in terms of pay and in terms of culture, and we're piling on the risk of a coach that does seem to lack method in his madness (your argument that I know less than Nate doesn't hold water since Rudy also knows less than Nate, but he has to make decisions based on his imperfect information), and for us to not only be shocked by him looking at this piling on of risk with concern but to be offended by it, to suggest that somehow this makes him a bad piece for the team?

You are essentially arguing that players who are rational in assessing their professional lives are poor candidates for the team. I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous.

[Fitz303]

[quote="mojomarc"][/quote]

Again, its totally different scenarios.. If Rudy is as good as advertised, he will play. His "worries" about how Nate is handling Sergio is a cop out. Nate doesnt play Sergio because hes not good enough. If Rudy realizes that hes far better than Sergio and that he will play if he deserves to, then there shouldnt be a problem.

If you dont want to go to a new job because you see your potential boss not promoting a guy you like but doesnt deserve to be promoted, then youre nuts

[d-train]

As we know, it's not that easy. Players play for coaches who dictate who plays and the style that is played. Rudy's expression of concern is nothing more or less than the expressions of concern that committed players at the college level have when coaches leave for other jobs, and the NCAA recognizes it as a reasonable enough concern that they have one of the very few exceptions to the commitment without sacrificing eligibility.

The suggestion was that this is "lack of confidence in ability" is simply silly. I'm perfectly confident in my professional abilities, but that hardly means that I would accept any job offer that came across my desk without investigating how accepting that job might affect my professional future. My concern about this hardly makes me a bad employee, which is where this argument started in Rudy's case. He is looking at a situation where he is being asked to take a big risk both in terms of pay and in terms of culture, and we're piling on the risk of a coach that does seem to lack method in his madness (your argument that I know less than Nate doesn't hold water since Rudy also knows less than Nate, but he has to make decisions based on his imperfect information), and for us to not only be shocked by him looking at this piling on of risk with concern but to be offended by it, to suggest that somehow this makes him a bad piece for the team?

The career path choice a young man makes is never easy but there are elements of every decision that are easy. There are elements of Rudy's career path choice that are easy. It is easy to know that for a basketball player the NBA is the ultimate testing ground of your abilities. The only place a pro basketball player can reach the pinnacle of his profession is in the NBA. It is also easy to know that _IF_ your talent is great enough the NBA is the most financially rewarding place to play basketball. The question about the financial rewards however is quite the landmine field. It is a landmine field because if your talent is not great enough the place to find the greatest financial rewards may very well not be the NBA. To succeed financially in the NBA your talents have to be extremely great or you need a rare combination of great talent and an understanding of how to use your talent to help a team succeed.

The decision Rudy is confronted with is all about his confidence in his ability and his priorities. If Rudy is worried that his ability is not great enough to overcome the challenges of the NBA, or if reaching the pinnacle of his profession isn't a high priority, he shouldn't risk his local opportunities to try the NBA. Even if Rudy is confident his abilities are great enough, he should consider there have been many people before him in his same situation and most of them were not great enough even though they thought they were.

The thing about this discussion that is silly and ludicrous Mojo is your insistence to interject Nate into it. Every basketball team has a coach and if Nate is as incompetent as you believe he will not keep his job. Actually, if Nate is as incompetent as you believe it

[mojomarc]

There is nothing in my statements that suggest this or anything else you suggest my statements say. If you want to understand what I have said, you can simply go back and read my statements. I don't want to waste my time correcting all your mischaracterizations.

I don't need to mischaracterize your statements, d. Their ridiculous on the surface. If you seriously believe that a coach has zero influence on how a rookie adapts to the NBA, playing time, and the chances of success, then you're crazy. If you think a player worrying about how a given coach might affect those areas is a sign of lack of confidence in his ability, you are even crazier.

[d-train]

I don't need to mischaracterize your statements, d. Their ridiculous on the surface. If you seriously believe that a coach has zero influence on how a rookie adapts to the NBA, playing time, and the chances of success, then you're crazy. If you think a player worrying about how a given coach might affect those areas is a sign of lack of confidence in his ability, you are even crazier.

You are ridiculous for believing that Nate is adversely influencing the performance of any of his players. You are crazy if you believe that Nate selects which players will succeed and do well and which ones will not. Brandon Roy is succeeding because of Brandon Roy and he would succeed playing for any coach. Sergio Rodriguez has struggled so far because he doesn't have Roy's talent and he would be struggling for any coach. Sergio is actually lucky he is in a situation where the coach is patient with players that aren't polished NBA players.

[R11]

I just listened to a nice long interview of KP on Courtside. Barrett and Wheels grilled him at length on the whole Rudy situation (among other things). KP says that he's been in weekly contact with Rudy via his agent all along. He says that Rudy is very confident in his abilities and his ONLY concerns are the same as all foriegn players have coming to the NBA. Just that it is a complete change and a major move. He does not dislike Nate. He said the biggest stumbling block is just that fact that Rudy has played so well that he will be offered maximum money to stay, which IIRC was something like 3 million net euros (after tax) which worked out to something like 20 million over four years equivalent contract here. It was very interesting to listen to his, uh, "diplomatic" comments comparing Rudy and Sergio's situations, how the two are nothing alike and that Rudy fully understands the implications of that (ie, Sergio is nowhere near the talent level of Rudy so Rudy should not base what his role on the Blazers will be by looking at Sergio's). After the NCAA's are over KP and the management team (likely including Nate) are scheduled to go over to spend some time with Rudy. KP is quite confident in his abilities to paint the picture for him of what the Blazer situation is now, and where it's heading in the very near future (including the benefits of having the deep pockets of PA as owner). At no time did he talk about if Rudy comes over, only about him wearing a Blazer jersey next season.


ron

[mojomarc]

-= original quote snipped =-


You are ridiculous for believing that Nate is adversely influencing the performance of any of his players. You are crazy if you believe that Nate selects which players will succeed and do well and which ones will not. Brandon Roy is succeeding because of Brandon Roy and he would succeed playing for any coach. Sergio Rodriguez has struggled so far because he doesn't have Roy's talent and he would be struggling for any coach. Sergio is actually lucky he is in a situation where the coach is patient with players that aren't polished NBA players.

I'm done with this. When you want to be obtuse, you certainly are obtuse dewald.

[TBpup]

I guess I don't understand the issue. If one firm offered me 5x as much as another, they should question my decision making ability if I didn't consider it.

The money part is not in question, he will get much more there than here. How much playing time he may or may not get behind and/or with Roy certainly is. He would be daft not to weigh his options regardless of the level of the league. He is Michael Jordan overseas and even though it is a lesser league, he will be leaving his home, his culture, family and being at the top of his profession to come over to be a backup no matter how good he is. Can you imagine the uproar if he took Roy's starting job? Exactly.

All quite understandable why he would consider his options regardless of how confident he is in his abilities or not.

[Fitz303]

I guess I don't understand the issue. If one firm offered me 5x as much as another, they should question my decision making ability if I didn't consider it.

The money part is not in question, he will get much more there than here. How much playing time he may or may not get behind and/or with Roy certainly is. He would be daft not to weigh his options regardless of the level of the league. He is Michael Jordan overseas and even though it is a lesser league, he will be leaving his home, his culture, family and being at the top of his profession to come over to be a backup no matter how good he is. Can you imagine the uproar if he took Roy's starting job? Exactly.

All quite understandable why he would consider his options regardless of how confident he is in his abilities or not.

Those are all great points.. Its the garbage about the Nate/Sergio issue thats the BS

[kumquat]

I guess with the money, he would get a lot more sponsorship opportunities.

[Wizenheimer]

another factor: the winters in Barcelona and Madrid are guaranteed to be nicer then winters in portland and jetting into denver, minneapolis, and cleveland.

I had a good friend who spent a lot of time in both barcelona and madrid. He said the women in those cities were...ummm....rather impressive.

I went to the U of O instead of OSU primarily because duckville had a much higher percentage of female students. I had my priorities.

Maybe Rudy does to.

[Joshumitsu]

Well KP was on Courtside last night and had something to say about Rudy.

You can read about it on Barrett's blog.

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/

[Wizenheimer]

Well KP was on Courtside last night and had something to say about Rudy.

You can read about it on Barrett's blog.

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/

interesting...and rather reassuring

sounds like the blazers are planning on putting a full court press on Rudy this spring.

Hopefully, KP is being realistic and not just overly optimistic, because what KP said and what Rudy reportedly said in that interview are a bit at odds.

[d-train]

I guess I don't understand the issue. If one firm offered me 5x as much as another, they should question my decision making ability if I didn't consider it.

The money part is not in question, he will get much more there than here. How much playing time he may or may not get behind and/or with Roy certainly is. He would be daft not to weigh his options regardless of the level of the league. He is Michael Jordan overseas and even though it is a lesser league, he will be leaving his home, his culture, family and being at the top of his profession to come over to be a backup no matter how good he is. Can you imagine the uproar if he took Roy's starting job? Exactly.

All quite understandable why he would consider his options regardless of how confident he is in his abilities or not.

The amount of money Rudy can make in the NBA depends on how good of an NBA player he is, which is a question nobody knows the answer to. If Rudy turns out to be as good as Brandon Roy is, he would earn more money in the NBA than he would in Europe. If Rudy turns out to be a less than average NBA player, he would probably make more money in Europe. Initially, Rudy will have much more security by choosing to stay in Europe because his initial guaranteed money will be much greater and he can be assured of his ability to play there at high level. When you really think about it, it would be a risky and gutsy choice to take a chance in the NBA.

Edit: In Rudy's case the NBA might be a foolish choice.

[1eyedjake]

Hello blazzers fan...

I am watching the more i can that boy and reading the spanish media, i found an interview in wich he said he is very scared to go trough the same things that sergio rodriguez is already having.

"im afraid Mcmillan make the same things with me", talking about sergio.

do u think he has space in portland roster for the next year? how many minutes u think he can play (knowing the fact, ROY is already there)?

(picture)
(picture)

thoughts?

Fran Vasquez the sequel?