Good news about Rudy

Wizenheimer · Post #21 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:32 pm

I've been more pessimistic then just about anybody here about the likelihood of rudy coming over next season, even though I'm more optomistic then pessimistic on the matter...if that makes sense.

I've been expecting him to get some big offers, but I'm really skeptical about this report. A 30 million offer last summer??...well before he had this monstrous season that has everybody talking?? Whst will they offer him after his break-out season...20 million a year??

It just doesn't seem credible to me

I'm still hoping he ends up in portland next season, but if the reports are true and he comes here while leaving 35 million dollars on the table over the next 4 years, I'd have to question his sanity.

d-train · Post #22 » by **d-train** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:20 pm

Yadadimean wrote:Don't pay that no mind. He's the Blazer board pessimist. He always views everything in the most negative light. Its just what he does.

Sorry, that's what I do. :lol:

d-train · Post #23 » by **d-train** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:27 pm

Oden2 wrote:Since when did Europeans have $ 30 million to offer players? Pretty soon, the European league may be able to lure away some respectable NBA players.

This is what I keep thinking. I have no clue about what's going on in Europe but my assumption is the money over there isn't that big. I always thought it was a place for basketball players not good enough to cut it in the NBA to make more money than the American minor leagues pay. Why would Euro teams pay Rudy $10 million per season when every year there are 10 better American prospects that will play for less? I think there is plenty of room all-around for healthy skepticism with regard to the stuff we are hearing.

Post #24 » by **BlackMamba** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:35 pm

yes, the rejection of the contract was during the summer of 2007 because he decided that signing a "smaller" contract with his actual team would give him a better chance of going to the nba.

it also says that he ONLY has 2 options: staying with his actual team or the NBA.

but, the last line says that rudy will analyze if his role with the blazers would be at the same height as his basketball level.

so, i don't know, is he considering himself a starter or a 25-30 mins 6th man?

d-train · Post #25 » by **d-train** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:35 pm

baas9 wrote:Oh, I know

Whether he (or she... hey, you never know) remembers, d-train and I have somewhat of a history (like d-train and many others on this board at times)... or was that dewald???

Yeah, I seem to be the common denominator for many heated debates. I guess that proves I can be a disagreeable cuss.

d-train · Post #26 » by **d-train** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:42 pm

BlackMamba wrote:yes, the rejection of the contract was during the summer of 2007 because he decided that signing a "smaller" contract with his actual team would give him a better chance of going to the nba.

it also says that he ONLY has 2 options: staying with his actual team or the NBA.

but, the last line says that rudy will analyze if his role with the blazers would be at the same height as his basketball level.

so, i don't know, is he considering himself a starter or a 25-30 mins 6th man?

The problem is if he has to ask himself this question, then the answer is his NBA opportunities are not that great. The players that can make the big money in the NBA are so good team's are built around their skills. So, if Rudy doubts his ability to get playing time with the Blazers he shouldn't be turning down huge contracts to play in Europe.

Post #27 » by **mojomarc** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:50 am

d-train wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The problem is if he has to ask himself this question, then the answer is his NBA opportunities are not that great. The players that can make the big money in the NBA are so good team's are built around their skills. So, if Rudy doubts his ability to get playing time with the Blazers he shouldn't be turning down huge contracts to play in Europe.

You mean like the guy he gets compared to the most, Manu Ginobili? The guy who *only* makes $10m per season being a sixth man (at least, he's hardly the guy that San Antonio builds around) on a championship team that is the pattern for how KP is building our team? Or is $10m a season under the current cap, which will be considerably lower than what it will be when Rudy can re-sign, not big bucks?

Just wondering....

d-train · Post #28 » by **d-train** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:32 am

mojomarc wrote:You mean like the guy he gets compared to the most, Manu Ginobili? The guy who *only* makes $10m per season being a sixth man (at least, he's hardly the guy that San Antonio builds around) on a championship team that is the pattern for how KP is building our team? Or is $10m a season under the current cap, which will be considerably lower than what it will be when Rudy can re-sign, not big bucks?

Just wondering....

I don't know if I understand your question. If Rudy is as good as Manu, he probably isn't going to be hurt badly financially by entering the NBA. However, it's good to ask how good a NBA player Rudy has to be to make entering the NBA a good financial choice. Manu is one of the NBA's best players, is in his 6th year, and is making only $9 million. And, Manu only had to play 2 years on his rookie contract before he could be paid based on his performance, which in Manu's case meant he would get a big NBA contract. Rudy will have to play under a measly rookie contract for 4 years (if he can play, if he can't play Blazers only need to pay him for 2 years). Beginning his 5th year, Rudy can get a raise but can only get RFA money, which is substantially less than UFA money. Manu was fortunate to get UFA money in only his 3rd year. The CBA just keeps getting worse for the players.

Now, if these reports are accurate that Rudy can make $30 million for 3 years in Europe, he is just nuts to come to the NBA. I haven't heard any European basketball experts say Rudy is as good as Manu. Obviously, they have to be very different types of players because Manu could break Rudy in two with a sturdy forearm. So, how much would Rudy need to begin earning his 5th year to make up for losing $35 million his 1st 4 years. I don't know how to do the math but obviously, he needs to start out with more than $10 million. Of course, the big elephant in the closet is it

Pattycakes · Post #29 » by **Pattycakes** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:46 am

There comes a point where huge masses of talent can speak for themself, and don't need a written contract and devotion of playing time to prove. If he's not purely looking for the money and wants to approach the NBA dream, then you'll see his ass in a Blazers jersey. If he is comfortable with his current role, then so be it. There's nothing we can do about it, does money talk or the game of basketball? Two seperate pathes.