Draft day trade: Marion to Portland

[D' Winner Within]

Blazers cap space in 2009 will be around $33 million. We don't know which young player will be kept but certainly not all of them. In the mean time, we will not give any of them away.

How?

According to Hoopshype, if the Blazers picks up the option on Roy, Rodriguez, Aldridge and Oden, the payroll for 2009-10 season is $41.8 and that

[Wizenheimer]

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How?

According to Hoopshype, if the Blazers picks up the option on Roy, Rodriguez, Aldridge and Oden, the payroll for 2009-10 season is $41.8 and that

[Hoops23]

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[SabasRevenge!]

The salary cap in 2009 is probably around $60m and I don

[TradeMachine]

I would give this trade some serious consideration. I think a lot of us are overrating Outlaw and our possible lottery pick quite a bit. Marion is the perfect fit for the 3 spot with the Blazers. Imagine the length we can have with Marion, Aldridge, and Oden in the frontcourt. Add Roy to the mix and you've got a team that will counter the Spurs' talent on defense.

We scrap our 2009 plan, but there is no guarantee to that. The $33 million figure is so off because it doesn't consider the capholds of our RFAs, and also doesn't consider that we actually need to have 12 players on an active roster. With Roy, Rudy, Marion, LA, and Oden, a PG like Blake could even suffice for us to make a championship run.

[d-train]

I would give this trade some serious consideration. I think a lot of us are overrating Outlaw and our possible lottery pick quite a bit. Marion is the perfect fit for the 3 spot with the Blazers. Imagine the length we can have with Marion, Aldridge, and Oden in the frontcourt. Add Roy to the mix and you've got a team that will counter the Spurs' talent on defense.

We scrap our 2009 plan, but there is no guarantee to that. The $33 million figure is so off because it doesn't consider the capholds of our RFAs, and also doesn't consider that we actually need to have 12 players on an active roster. With Roy, Rudy, Marion, LA, and Oden, a PG like Blake could even suffice for us to make a championship run.

You are wrong. The Blazers can relinquish RFA's then there is no cap hold and the $33 million cap space does include 12 players and assumes $63 million salary cap.

[TradeMachine]

You're assuming that we will find 3 quality minimum salary players to fill out our roster, and you're also assuming that we'll just give up on Webs, Jack, and Frye. I don't think that's too likely.

[Wizenheimer]

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I don't see how the Blazers would be in a bind. Blazers could renounce Webster than later reclaim his bird rights. If Webster is a viable FA option, Blazers will be in better position to sign him than any other team.

I don't believe it would work that way unless Martell goes on vacation somewhere for a year:

....By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right until the following June 30 to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions to re-sign that player.

I read that as portland couldn't regain bird rights on webster until the end of the following season. Webster would simply find another team.

Now one thing portland could do is make an arrangement with webster. Portland would not submit the QO and renounce their rights. Then If portland had enough cap-space they could sign or trade for their target players and with the remaining cap-space sign Martell to a new contract.

[Wizenheimer]

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[d-train]

I don't believe it would work that way unless Martell goes on vacation somewhere for a year:

....By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right until the following June 30 to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions to re-sign that player.

I read that as portland couldn't regain bird rights on webster until the end of the following season. Webster would simply find another team.

Now one thing portland could do is make an arrangement with webster. Portland would not submit the QO and renounce their rights. Then If portland had enough cap-space they could sign or trade for their target players and with the remaining cap-space sign Martell to a new contract.

I believe you are correct which means the Blazers are indeed in better position to resign Webster as an unrestricted FA than any other team would be. Any other team would need to wait 3 years to have full bird rights on Webster but Blazers would have full bird rights after only 1 year. And, Blazers will have $33 million in cap space to use on whichever players they want. If they want Webster, they will be able to keep him. The beauty is Blazers can choose any available players. We aren't limited to resigning Webster or trading him for mutually agreed value.

[Billy]

Marion in my opinion isn't the right fit for this team. Even if he was, assuming the contracts of Blount and Banks is completely out of the question.

Marion is a fine player. But he's already made his choice in terms of what kind of a player he wants to be--he wants to be the man. Portland doesn't need someone who is more interested in being the man than winning.

To me, Marion is not worth 17+ million a year. Obviously if you don't lock him into something like that he won't stay. The last thing I think Portland would want is to completely remove themselves out of chasing big name FA's because they made this trade while also losing the main piece.

To me, I'd rather gamble on FA and the pick while keeping Joel, Sergio and Travis than take this deal.

[D' Winner Within]

Just curious! Is it a gamble or you guys are assured of signing a big name free agent?

I notice that fans in here are so high about the cap space in 2009. I notice that you guys are even willing to let young players like Webster, Jack or Frye to walk (same goes with Rudy Fernandez & Koponen) because of that cap space. Seems to me that you have a free agent in mind that you are assured to have or sign one. I

[d-train]

Just curious! Is it a gamble or you guys are assured of signing a big name free agent?

I notice that fans in here are so high about the cap space in 2009. I notice that you guys are even willing to let young players like Webster, Jack or Frye to walk (same goes with Rudy Fernandez & Koponen) because of that cap space. Seems to me that you have a free agent in mind that you are assured to have or sign one. I

[d-train]

Just curious! Is it a gamble or you guys are assured of signing a big name free agent?

I notice that fans in here are so high about the cap space in 2009. I notice that you guys are even willing to let young players like Webster, Jack or Frye to walk (same goes with Rudy Fernandez & Koponen) because of that cap space. Seems to me that you have a free agent in mind that you are assured to have or sign one. I

[Effigy]

BTW, is there an assurance the NBA will grant the request on Miles as a retired player? I bet none, so his salary still counts against the salary cap. As the saying goes,

[candy for lunch]

Barf.

Marion is worthless without a good PG, and I'd consider him to be 4th banana on this team, which he probably wouldn't like.

[AZ BLAZER]

And don't forget, in the OP we get the privledge of taking on the horrendous contracts of not just Banks, but also Blount!

[Telfaire]

According to the wiretap, if Miami wont be able to extend Marion's contract this summer, they'll be looking to trade him, possibly for cap space and prospects.
Chances are, Marion will choose not to opt out this summer when it's clear that he wont be making the same amounts of money.

Now, I dont think he's the most ideal solution at SF for us - I like his defense but he's proved to have a big ego by forcing his way out of Pheonix, where he played with one of the league's most unselfish PG's. I also think his outside shot is far from ideal, compared to what Webster could bring to the table if he's confident enough.

Even so, trading Raef, Webster, Jack and the rights to whoever it is Miami would like us to draft for them (assuming we'd reach an agreement before the draft), I could live with - if we cant trade up or get rid of Jack.

That would put our roster size at 12, so we could use two of our 2nd round picks on college players (let's say Hendrix and Hudson/Nelson?), and bring in Rudy. If Miles retires and JJ33 wont draw any serious offer, resign him.

Blake/Sergio/Hudson
Roy/Rudy/Hudson
Marion/Outlaw/Jones
LMA/Frye/McBob
Oden/Przybilla/Hendrix (with LMA actually playing at center)

I like the fact that there's no dead weight on this team...though it would make PT a bit of a problem. If Sergio and Hudson/Nelson dont prove to be good enough for complementing Roy and Rudy at the backcourt, maybe we'd let Marion sign somewhere else if we could sign a PG and SF.