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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#41 » by Epicurus » Fri May 14, 2021 9:09 am

Moonbeam wrote:Classic game. Sad to see the Blazers fall just short. Very-late game execution did them in with missed free throws, the late foul, and the silly challenge.
Silly challenge? Known factors: 1 point lead; .9 seconds on the clock; 87% free throw shooter getting two free throws----why wouldn't you with that reality challenge a dubious call on a last second desperate fling and fall, coming as it did on a late whistle (probably conditioned on whether the shot went in or not)?

The clock was not reset prior to the challenge but after it. There was no way of knowing at the time of the challenge or timeout to reflect on it, what the refs would do with the clock. It was not until a ruling that the clock was changed.

Silly? Coaching malpractice, given the known circumstance, to not challenge then? Yes.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#42 » by Epicurus » Fri May 14, 2021 9:13 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:You have to inbound the ball with 5 seconds left, with the lead so you know you will be fouled and Covington is the guy you get the ball to? Great inbound play.
Oh, getting the ball to an 82% free throw shooter when the opponent is selling out to prevent your two stars from getting it doesn't seem to merit ridicule. I guess you would prefer risking a turnover to get it to Lillard or McCollum instead.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#43 » by Epicurus » Fri May 14, 2021 9:21 am

trix17 wrote:Absolutely shattering loss.

Firstly. How the **** are you up 1 with the ball and 6 seconds left and you end up with Covington at the line??? How the **** does that happen??!?!

On top of that and the most egregious of it all, HOW DO YOU THROW AWAY OUR LAST TIMEOUT. Stotts has made absolutely dumb **** challenge calls all **** year and this one cost us a locked playoff spot.

This guy needed to be fired after the **** pelicans sweep. I don't know what to do if he's still there next year... Un **** believable.
Well, last time Stotts was not replaced as you wished, the Blazer the next season went to the WCF. Maybe history will repeat itself next season. SO save the overwrought angst for awhile.

Not challenging when .9 was on the clock would have been coaching malpractice.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#44 » by Moonbeam » Fri May 14, 2021 9:43 am

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Moonbeam wrote:Classic game. Sad to see the Blazers fall just short. Very-late game execution did them in with missed free throws, the late foul, and the silly challenge.
Silly challenge? Known factors: 1 point lead; .9 seconds on the clock; 87% free throw shooter getting two free throws----why wouldn't you with that reality challenge a dubious call on a last second desperate fling and fall, coming as it did on a late whistle (probably conditioned on whether the shot went in or not)?

The clock was not reset prior to the challenge but after it. There was no way of knowing at the time of the challenge or timeout to reflect on it, what the refs would do with the clock. It was not until a ruling that the clock was changed.

Silly? Coaching malpractice, given the known circumstance, to not challenge then? Yes.


It felt silly at the time. Obviously I’m just a fan and I can’t claim to be some master strategist, but it felt obvious to me at the time that the call would not be overturned, and the lack of a timeout to advance the ball felt like it hindered Portland’s chances of winning the game. While the additional 1.5 seconds was a benefit, I imagine it’s harder to come by points inbounding from full court with 2.4 seconds than from the frontcourt with 0.9 seconds remaining.

Maybe there’s a little Monday Morning Quarterback mentality here at play from me given the challenge was unsuccessful, but I felt it was a mistake to challenge even before I knew the outcome.

I understand you are a big Stotts fan and often come to defend him against criticism. I like Stotts, too, and would much rather the front office part with Olshey, but that doesn’t mean Stotts should be immune from criticism. Maybe other coaches would have made the same call to challenge in that situation, but it was risky.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#45 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri May 14, 2021 2:13 pm

I didnt really expect a win, but this was a tough loss.

End of the day, this team just isnt that good. It took us 3 quarters in a must win against Utah to pull away from them sans Mitchell and Conley and we lost to a team that was missing its former #1 overall pick starting C. And we are fully healthy.

Our bench has, and will in the PO's, been an abomination as of late. We have so few guys that the coaches rightfully can trust.

DJJ for 9M over Craig for like 1M looks hilarious after watching the game last night.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#46 » by Case2012 » Fri May 14, 2021 5:09 pm

The same amount of fouls, yet the blazers scored 20 more points in the paint, and 8 less free throws... I truly do not know if referees are just that incompetent, or if they're betting on games, or the league rigs them. Nothing would surprise me.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#47 » by Matt800 » Fri May 14, 2021 7:57 pm

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Moonbeam wrote:Classic game. Sad to see the Blazers fall just short. Very-late game execution did them in with missed free throws, the late foul, and the silly challenge.
Silly challenge? Known factors: 1 point lead; .9 seconds on the clock; 87% free throw shooter getting two free throws----why wouldn't you with that reality challenge a dubious call on a last second desperate fling and fall, coming as it did on a late whistle (probably conditioned on whether the shot went in or not)?

The clock was not reset prior to the challenge but after it. There was no way of knowing at the time of the challenge or timeout to reflect on it, what the refs would do with the clock. It was not until a ruling that the clock was changed.

Silly? Coaching malpractice, given the known circumstance, to not challenge then? Yes.


It felt silly at the time. Obviously I’m just a fan and I can’t claim to be some master strategist, but it felt obvious to me at the time that the call would not be overturned, and the lack of a timeout to advance the ball felt like it hindered Portland’s chances of winning the game. While the additional 1.5 seconds was a benefit, I imagine it’s harder to come by points inbounding from full court with 2.4 seconds than from the frontcourt with 0.9 seconds remaining.

Maybe there’s a little Monday Morning Quarterback mentality here at play from me given the challenge was unsuccessful, but I felt it was a mistake to challenge even before I knew the outcome.

I understand you are a big Stotts fan and often come to defend him against criticism. I like Stotts, too, and would much rather the front office part with Olshey, but that doesn’t mean Stotts should be immune from criticism. Maybe other coaches would have made the same call to challenge in that situation, but it was risky.


I think it was a reasonable coaching decision to challenge. I don't know the history of making end game shots with 0.9 seconds, but it doesn't seem like it would be likely. Watching the replay it did seem like something that would not be overturned, but with the information Stotts had, and the amount of time he had to make the decision it seems reasonable. We just saw what an inbounds situation looked like with Covington getting the ball and being swarmed, probably not a great chance of success for a good shot. As some of the team said in their interviews, it shouldn't have gotten to that stage anyways, they made too many errors. But also they were close to winning on the end of an away b2b against a good team and after 5 games in 7 days. 9 wins in the last 11 games isn't bad.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#48 » by JasonStern » Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm

Powell foul call was B.S., but as the Shonz would say, "you have to make your free-throws".
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#49 » by Case2012 » Fri May 14, 2021 9:47 pm

JasonStern wrote:Powell foul call was B.S., but as the Shonz would say, "you have to make your free-throws".


Norm breathed on him and booker for being as good as he is, has some pretty horrible balance and body control because he tumbled to the ground taking a jump shot. I'd hate to see that guy try to walk down the street on a windy day, I don't think he could make it. It's amazing he's made it to the pros with that bad of balance. And the refs rewarded it. **** Like this makes me not want to be a fan anymore. Trash. The ref that called the foul was looking at Booker's back ffs. Maybe he's got x-ray vision? In that case he could probably find better use of that super power.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#50 » by JasonStern » Sat May 15, 2021 1:33 am

Sabrina Ionescu would have made those free throws... Just sayin'.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#51 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat May 15, 2021 3:06 am

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:You have to inbound the ball with 5 seconds left, with the lead so you know you will be fouled and Covington is the guy you get the ball to? Great inbound play.
Oh, getting the ball to an 82% free throw shooter when the opponent is selling out to prevent your two stars from getting it doesn't seem to merit ridicule. I guess you would prefer risking a turnover to get it to Lillard or McCollum instead.


No, I'd rather Melo was on the court. He is used to high pressure moments and would be my 2nd choice to get the ball to.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#52 » by JasonStern » Sat May 15, 2021 10:37 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:You have to inbound the ball with 5 seconds left, with the lead so you know you will be fouled and Covington is the guy you get the ball to? Great inbound play.
Oh, getting the ball to an 82% free throw shooter when the opponent is selling out to prevent your two stars from getting it doesn't seem to merit ridicule. I guess you would prefer risking a turnover to get it to Lillard or McCollum instead.


No, I'd rather Melo was on the court. He is used to high pressure moments and would be my 2nd choice to get the ball to.


Stop. Melo is what he is - a solid veteran leader but an aging player. There are games when he goes off and the Blazers should literally let him chuck up as many shots as he can and enjoy his greatness. And then there's these "Bad Melo" games where Father Time remains undefeated. He was 1-7 shooting against Phoenix and not a difference maker/game changer. Covington simply choked. Stotts' play calling was fine - obviously not game winning, but fine. The refs f'd us over on the Powell/Booker foul call at the end. But Covington choked. He doesn't choke, we're not in that situation. It sucks, but it happens. I'm sure he feels like crap and spent extra time in the gym practicing - maybe bought his teammates donuts or lattes or something. But playing a cold streak Melo is unlikely to have turned around the game.

This loss sucks, but it is what it is. You had Phoenix at home with 2 days rest versus the Blazers on a road back-to-back against the #2 seed in the west. Losing badly to the Hornets with half of their roster out during that losing streak stings 1,000x more than this loss if you step back and look at every loss hurting as bad as any other loss. Blazers were competitive. Dame was great. These things happen. Onto the next game.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#53 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sun May 16, 2021 12:18 am

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Epicurus wrote: Oh, getting the ball to an 82% free throw shooter when the opponent is selling out to prevent your two stars from getting it doesn't seem to merit ridicule. I guess you would prefer risking a turnover to get it to Lillard or McCollum instead.


No, I'd rather Melo was on the court. He is used to high pressure moments and would be my 2nd choice to get the ball to.


Stop. Melo is what he is - a solid veteran leader but an aging player. There are games when he goes off and the Blazers should literally let him chuck up as many shots as he can and enjoy his greatness. And then there's these "Bad Melo" games where Father Time remains undefeated. He was 1-7 shooting against Phoenix and not a difference maker/game changer. Covington simply choked. Stotts' play calling was fine - obviously not game winning, but fine. The refs f'd us over on the Powell/Booker foul call at the end. But Covington choked. He doesn't choke, we're not in that situation. It sucks, but it happens. I'm sure he feels like crap and spent extra time in the gym practicing - maybe bought his teammates donuts or lattes or something. But playing a cold streak Melo is unlikely to have turned around the game.

This loss sucks, but it is what it is. You had Phoenix at home with 2 days rest versus the Blazers on a road back-to-back against the #2 seed in the west. Losing badly to the Hornets with half of their roster out during that losing streak stings 1,000x more than this loss if you step back and look at every loss hurting as bad as any other loss. Blazers were competitive. Dame was great. These things happen. Onto the next game.


Stop? Check yourself Dude. I'm not talking about playing Melo extra minutes in a game. He was already in the game genius. The Blazers weren't going to run a play, they were going to get fouled. I wanted Melo on the court, not inbounding the ball. He is a good free throw shooter and hits clutch free throws. Now I will stop.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#54 » by JasonStern » Sun May 16, 2021 1:49 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Stop? Check yourself Dude. I'm not talking about playing Melo extra minutes in a game. He was already in the game genius. The Blazers weren't going to run a play, they were going to get fouled. I wanted Melo on the court, not inbounding the ball. He is a good free throw shooter and hits clutch free throws. Now I will stop.


And it is easy to say in hindsight Covington should have inbounded the ball. But Melo was ice cold and Covington is an 80%+ free throw shooter. There were better plays Stotts could have made. The challenge was never going to be accepted, so that was just a waste of a timeout. Etc., etc. But I have to agree with Stotts' burner account Epicurus that it wasn't bad play calling that blew the game. You have to make your free throws, and never let the game be close enough that the refs can decide it.
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Re: Game 71: Portland vs Phoenix 

Post#55 » by Moonbeam » Sun May 16, 2021 3:00 am

Portland can finish the regular season anywhere from 5th-7th depending on how the games go tomorrow.

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