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Post#361 » by DaVoiceMaster » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:34 pm

It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.
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Post#362 » by Roy The Natural » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:49 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.


Agreed... I absolutely love Lillard... but it's probably time. This ship isn't going anywhere but to the bottom of the ocean over the next couple years.
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Post#363 » by DusterBuster » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:54 pm

Just looked over the FA list for this year... yikes. Yeah, can't imagine the Blazers did all these cap moves for any one of these players.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

I'm sure they'd go all out to get Beal or LaVine as a pairing with Dame, but don't realistically see either of those guys leaving DC or ChiTown.

Ayton could be an interesting RFA swing, but man... RFA has never been super kind to the Blazers. Would require an overpay and even then it's unclear if Phx wouldn't just match anyway.

So yeah, all this cap maneuvering seems pretty unlikely to have much to do with going out in the FA market for any specific players. I have to imagine most of it will be used either to just resign guys or pull off some lop-sided deals / trading players into the trade exceptions they have.
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Post#364 » by Blazinaway » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:55 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.


Agreed... I absolutely love Lillard... but it's probably time. This ship isn't going anywhere but to the bottom of the ocean over the next couple years.


I agree as well, especially the "style" of Bball to watch and enjoy for me as well. Also it appears we are getting players to fit Chauncy - is that Dame? Love Dame but it may be time to move on
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Post#365 » by DusterBuster » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:46 am

If you want to hear Quick's post-deadline interview:

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Post#366 » by GEE » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:34 am

DusterBuster wrote:If you want to hear Quick's post-deadline interview:

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Thanks for the link DB. Still trying to make any sense of this, and I don't know where to begin... In the final hour before the DL, I was still hoping we would be a 3rd team in the Beard trade, and I found it interesting that the 76ers gave almost the exact package that I was hoping to get for Dame. Oh well. Beyond that, my feelings are similar to Quicks'.

Lebron has been rumored to be playing GM behind the scenes with the Lakers roster, especially this year and look how that has turned out so far. I worry the same is happening in Portland. The roster is stripped down to a OKC level, plus Dame. So neither here, nor there is where we are now. And I'm a little bit pissed, because people are just now starting to see the concerns we now have, that I had been considering in the Simmons idea all along, being: Tons of big player movement last summer = barely any next summer, and the general... Now what? Rebuild with big name players around Dame, but who? Or does it really matter, cause I guaran-damn-tee you Dame's extension talks will be the next priority.

We HAD a good team over the last month, we were just very short handed with only Nurkic, ROCO and Watford to guard the paint. The guys looked like they just started to run out of gas and needed the AS break to come 3 weeks sooner. We are now going to suck for the next two years, but may be competitive again before Dame's 35 and his extension expires, cause he'll be untradeable once he signs it.

I ultimately feel that the package The NETS got today, being almost identical to what I was suggesting, was one straight forward and simple trade that would have been BY FAR a better move for this franchise, combined with a cost cutting move(Norm&ROCO). NOW people are starting to flirt with the idea of a post-Dame. Hilarious.

Finally... Does anyone else see this team potentially getting put on the market? It sure looks to me like they are in PERFECT positioning to sell. Isn't this what a franchise would try to do before selling? Makes Dame's extension talks, all the more interesting.

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Post#367 » by soobias » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:34 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.





i've been saying the same thing for a little bit and felt like i was getting different results lmao.
idk if possible but i would prob look into trading him to boston for brown williams(c) and cpl picks if possible
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Post#368 » by DusterBuster » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:46 am

soobias wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.





i've been saying the same thing for a little bit and felt like i was getting different results lmao.
idk if possible but i would prob look into trading him to boston for brown williams(c) and cpl picks if possible


If we trade Dame, Brown is a much better target than Simmons ever was or ever will be.

Simmons would have been a pouty whiny b his whole time here if he were traded here without Dame, to the point he may not even suit up. He’s a mental midget who’s interest in basketball is tenuous at best.

Brown meanwhile as a winning type of player and leader. He’s a guy you can build around.
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Post#369 » by DusterBuster » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:04 am

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Post#370 » by Case2012 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:04 am

Tatum is young enough that pairing him with 2 lottery (if we get both) picks might work for them better long term, and after they go nowhere in the playoffs this year maybe Boston would be Amicable to sending brown to Portland?
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Post#371 » by wjun15 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:10 am

DusterBuster wrote:
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DaVoiceMaster wrote:It pains me to say this, but I would move Lillard. He is my favorite Blazer of all time and favorite NBA player so it sucks for me to say I would trade him. I've actually enjoyed the style of basketball over the past month and dread going back to watching him hold the ball for most of the shot clock. I also dont like the idea of Lillard and Simon's in the backcourt together. We just spent the last 7 years watching two undersize guards who suck at defense fail miserably. Why would they go back to that? I would move one of them and Lillard would provide the greater return. With Philly getting Harden for Simmons, I dunno if there is a worthwhile trade for Lillard now. I also dont want to sign Lillard for 2 additional years at $107 million. The team is already strapped because of his contract. Don't make it worse.





i've been saying the same thing for a little bit and felt like i was getting different results lmao.
idk if possible but i would prob look into trading him to boston for brown williams(c) and cpl picks if possible


If we trade Dame, Brown is a much better target than Simmons ever was or ever will be.

Simmons would have been a pouty whiny b his whole time here if he were traded here without Dame, to the point he may not even suit up. He’s a mental midget who’s interest in basketball is tenuous at best.

Brown meanwhile as a winning type of player and leader. He’s a guy you can build around.


I'm not sure where your getting "winning type and leader"
Boston had chemistry issues between brown and Tatum and people thought each was just trying get theirs and no leadership in Boston.
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Post#372 » by DusterBuster » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:48 am

Case2012 wrote:Tatum is young enough that pairing him with 2 lottery (if we get both) picks might work for them better long term, and after they go nowhere in the playoffs this year maybe Boston would be Amicable to sending brown to Portland?


I think they’d require a Top 4 pick, so Portland would need their pick to be in that range if they want to get a brown without moving Dame.
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Post#373 » by Jsun947 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:21 am

I don't think Boston would be particularly interesting in trading Brown for Dame, it would be more of trading for Dame to add to Brown & Tatum which would be a package of Williams and every pick & swap they could do.

Realistically at this point the team that's the most obvious trade partner for us in a Dame deal would be NYK with some form of Barrett, Reddish, Toppin, Quickly, picks, and salary filler that we'd preferably re-route to another team for cap space.


I'd trade Dame for Barrett, Reddish, NYK 22 1st, Walker, and Burks. Hopefully our lottery luck gives us "Insert Player You Like, for me its Holmgren". That would give us the ability to offer Ayton a max offer and based on Sarver's cheap ass there's a prayer we'd be able to pry his ass away via a S&T. If not, no skin off our back. Whatever cap space we have left we can take money back for next year for future draft assets.

Simons, Barrett, Little, Reddish, Johnson, and hopefully three lottery picks would give us a core all around 23 years old or younger going into 2023 with a good chance at another top pick (Victor?), clean salary book, and decent free agent class.
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Post#374 » by Case2012 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:49 am

Reddish isn't even in the rotation, and he wasn't in Atlanta either. No way I'm trading Dame to nyk for Barrett and a first, that's horrible. The rest of the plan didn't sound terrible but I want a much, much better return if I'm dealing Dame (which I'm opposed to).
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Post#375 » by zzaj » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:28 am

I can't get behind trading Lillard. Not ever. I want him to outscore Clyde. I feel like he deserves that at least.

If there is a way to get better it's through him. I'd say the draft...but look at who is running THAT ship. Only way the Blazers win in the near future is with Lillard's help getting somebody here through player channels.
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Post#376 » by DusterBuster » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:10 pm

In the Cronin interview, he basically admitted that for years now, other teams have been using Portland's continued necessity to get under the repeater tax as leverage in all deadline deals under Olshey - something I have suspected for a bit now to be the case.
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